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wynn728

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Oh wow I actually didn’t know him being an insider and knowing Cloud. That definitely makes the video more interesting. If he’s that connected I’d assume he’s seen at least one or multiple DLC characters. Not all of them though because his BK reveal reaction seemed pretty legit.
Okay, this is like saying Geno was coming because Jon from GameXplain mention Geno in their DLC discussion. It doesn't mean much that he mention certain characters during his video. We're looking for connections in all the wrong places.

He knew about Cloud because two weeks before the Direct they invited him so they can record his reaction.
 

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Okay, this is like saying Geno was coming because Jon from GameXplain mention Geno in their DLC discussion. It doesn't mean much that he mention certain characters during his video. We're looking for connections in all the wrong places.

He knew about Cloud because two weeks before the Direct they invited him so they can record his reaction.
Ouch, I remember that video. It wasn't tolerable. They discussed Slime as a Dragon Quest rep along some other extremely weird decisions.
 

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Okay, this is like saying Geno was coming because Jon from GameXplain mention Geno in their DLC discussion. It doesn't mean much that he mention certain characters during his video. We're looking for connections in all the wrong places.

He knew about Cloud because two weeks before the Direct they invited him so they can record his reaction.
I mean they're similar in that both are known to have insider information and Jon a the very least has been known to come up with "speculation" that is most certainly rumors/leaks that he's heard. So it really wasn't that crazy to think he had heard Geno back then. And actually with the information that we have now that not only did Sabi's NoA source but also Brew allegedly both hearing Geno rumored around the same time as Jon made his prediciton I think it's fair to say Jon may have been working off of such a rumor/leak. It didn't pan out in the short term but if a round 2 of DLC was tentatively planned far in advance it may have had some basis in reality.
 

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I mean they're similar in that both are known to have insider information and Jon a the very least has been known to come up with "speculation" that is most certainly rumors/leaks that he's heard. So it really wasn't that crazy to think he had heard Geno back then. And actually with the information that we have now that not only did Sabi's NoA source but also Brew allegedly both hearing Geno rumored around the same time as Jon made his prediciton I think it's fair to say Jon may have been working off of such a rumor/leak. It didn't pan out in the short term but if a round 2 of DLC was tentatively planned far in advance it may have had some basis in reality.
Omg, this is the same guy who thought that Tetris was going to be playable and that at E3 Nintendo was going to reveal a brand new Pokemon and that Pokemon was going to be announced as the next Smash Bros fighter on the same day. Just because he puts Geno in his prediction list doesn't mean anything. He's not going to use his underside knowledge for every time they do a discussion video.

Also Brew said Ryu Hayabusa was going to be a fifth DLC fighter and that didn't turn out right.

We're stretching here if we're thinking that Geno is getting in because a few people made videos that says Geno is one of their wanted characters while mention 4 or 9 other characters.
 

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Honestly, the "leaks" are starting to get worse with November less then a week from now. Best to cool off until the next official direct comes in with Terry and the possible final challenger arrives. (For the Fighters Pass that is.)
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Also, how the "leaks" are like on the current status
 
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Mii costume list, pls be legit
Remember, if the Mii Costume list is legit it is entirely possible that he excluded the Geno costume from the list just to trick people that Geno is in the clear.
 

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Remember, if the Mii Costume list is legit it is entirely possible that he excluded the Geno costume from the list just to trick people that Geno is in the clear.
I really dont see the logic in making two new mario rpg costumes for no good reason but the only ff one is a chocobo hat
 

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Remember, if the Mii Costume list is legit it is entirely possible that he excluded the Geno costume from the list just to trick people that Geno is in the clear.
A question: Assuming this Mii costume list is legit, and a Geno, Mallow, and Smithy costume plus the Chocobo hat are coming, how do you think they'll be released?
 

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Remember, if the Mii Costume list is legit it is entirely possible that he excluded the Geno costume from the list just to trick people that Geno is in the clear.
While I do understand that you are being cautious about the list I honestly dont think they would make 2 more smrpg outsifts if genos not a fighter. If it was just mallow then maybe i could see it case you can argue since hes also spirit they wanted to give him one too but no its also smithy. I dont believe this is true for two reasons. One from what papa has said this guy is really credible and he talks to him a lot. Sure he my have been a troll in the past but the fact that he got 2 almost unguess-ale outfits right and papa trust him makes me believe hes not screwing with us. Also having 3 smrpg outfits plus chobao with out geno would not make any sense. That would waste four mii slots when they could have added miis from a dlc character world instead. To me having all these outfits for a character whos only a spirit makes no sense to me.
 
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I really dont see the logic in making two new mario rpg costumes for no good reason but the only ff one is a chocobo hat
"People really love Mii Costume and they love Super Mario RPG. We might as well make them happy with more Mii Costume of SMRPG characters because that's what they want. They'll be happy with that." There's your logic. Sakurai believe that people would be happy with png pictures of Geno & Shantae, so why wouldn't they think like this?
A question: Assuming this Mii costume list is legit, and a Geno, Mallow, and Smithy costume plus the Chocobo hat are coming, how do you think they'll be released?
All at once.
 

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Hey guys, not directly Geno related, but I created a moveset for Smithy, the final boss of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

B: Strong Hammer Pound: This move is like Donkey Kong's Foward B, only it only causes the opponent to get buried by chance, or at random. Otherwise, it can hit very hard.

B Side: Controllable Portal: LIke Snake's side B, this allows Smithy to control an portal floating in the air and move it to a position. Once the position is set, either one of Smithy's spells from the game, Sledge (a giant mechanical pillar), Meteor Swarm or Sword Rain comes out of that portal, which turns into a mechanical object (in case of Sledge), stays the same (Meteor Swarm) or a cloud (Sword Rain). These moves don't affect the entire battlefield, and will come from under where the portal is. Once the position is set, Smithy cannot control the portal until it finishes and he uses the move again.

B Down: MInion Summoning: Smithy summons a minion by pounding a gooey substance like in his boss battle, summoning either Mack, Yaridovich, Boywer, or one of the Axem Rangers, who each have their own attack and go around attacking the player, though they can be KOed easily. Only one minion can be out at a time. Each minion has a different method of attacking.

B Up: Shockwave Jump: Smithy does a jump like that of KIng Dedede's Up B. Only difference is, when he lands, he will strike the ground with his hammer, performing a powerful shockwave that temporarily immobilizes and damages players, immobilizing depending on how much damage they have.

Final Smash: Final Form: Smithy swings his hammer, and if doesn't hit, nothing happens. If it does, a cutscene happens and he turns into his final form, throwing attacks at the opponents that were hit as he changes between his four heads. He doesn't attack with his initial normal head, but his head changes as he barrages the player from the tank head, to the magic head, to the mask head, and then the treasure head. Smithy then finishes by striking his hammer down, sending his opponents flying.

What do you guys think?
 
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CannonStreak CannonStreak nice move set, it’s pretty creative. I’ll admit I have not ever really thought up a move set for smithy, but I would love the move Chomp to be used. Granted smithy didn’t use it, but having him throw random enemies is funny to me.
 

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Hey guys, not directly Geno related, but I created a moveset for Smithy, the final boss of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

B: Strong Hammer Pound: This move is like Donkey Kong's Foward B, only it only causes the opponent to get buried by chance, or at random. Otherwise, it can hit very hard.

B Side: Controllable Portal: LIke Snake's side B, this allows Smithy to control an portal floating in the air and move it to a position. Once the position is set, either one of Smithy's spells from the game, Sledge (a giant mechanical pillar), Meteor Swarm or Sword Rain comes out of that portal, which turns into a mechanical object (in case of Sledge), stays the same (Meteor Swarm) or a cloud (Sword Rain). These moves don't affect the entire battlefield, and will come from under where the portal is. Once the position is set, Smithy cannot control the portal until it finishes and he uses the move again.

B Down: MInion Summoning: Smithy summons a minion by pounding a gooey substance like in his boss battle, summoning either Mack, Yaridovich, Boywer, or one of the Axem Rangers, who each have their own attack and go around attacking the player, though they can be KOed easily. Only one minion can be out at a time. Each minion has a different method of attacking.

B Up: Shockwave Jump: Smithy does a jump like that of KIng Dedede's Up B. Only difference is, when he lands, he will strike the ground with his hammer, performing a powerful shockwave that temporarily immobilizes and damages players, immobilizing depending on how much damage they have.

Final Smash: Final Form: Smithy swings his hammer, and if doesn't hit, nothing happens. If it does, a cutscene happens and he turns into his final form, throwing attacks at the opponents that were hit as he changes between his four heads. He doesn't attack with his initial normal head, but his head changes as he barrages the player from the tank head, to the magic head, to the mask head, and then the treasure head. Smithy then finishes by striking his hammer down, sending his opponents flying.

What do you guys think?
Very cool moveset man!
 

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"People really love Mii Costume and they love Super Mario RPG. We might as well make them happy with more Mii Costume of SMRPG characters because that's what they want. They'll be happy with that." There's your logic. Sakurai believe that people would be happy with png pictures of Geno & Shantae, so why wouldn't they think like this?

All at once.
Liscensing more square characters and at least two more songs for 75 cent mii costumes doesnt make financial sense. He may make weird creative decisions but Nintendo and Square wouldnt let him spend all that money for just that.
 
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While I do understand that you are being cautious about the list I honestly dont think they would make 2 more smrpg outsifts if genos not a fighter. If it was just mallow then maybe i could see it case you can argue since hes also spirit they wanted to give him one too but no its also smithy. I dont believe this is true for two reasons. One from what papa has said this guy is really credible and he talks to him a lot. Sure he my have been a troll in the past but the fact that he got 2 almost unguess-ale outfits right and papa trust him makes me believe hes not screwing with us. Also having 3 smrpg outfits plus chobao with out geno would not make any sense. That would waste four mii slots when they could have added miis from a dlc character world instead. To me having all these outfits for a character whos only a spirit makes no sense to me.
Long post coming through here.

Yeah, what the guy told Papagenos might be true, but it's entirely possible that they were holding back information. It's not lying if you keep certain info to yourself. This guy use to be a troll, so let's think about it like this: he got legit info about these Mii Costume from a source. They see that not only Geomon & Rocket Grunt are getting Mii Costume but even Geno, Mallow, and Smithy. Now they want to share this info they, so who do they go to? Papagenos. But before they give the info to him they know that he will make a video just like he does with the other leaks that come out. They also know that most people who want Geno watch his video. So when they decide to give the info they leave out Geno because they know that people would think Geno would get in if it was only Mallow & Smithy; just like how people are acting right now. Next wave of info comes out and turns out Geno is still a Mii Costume and people who saw Papagenos video get disappointed because it seems like Geno was going to be playable.

Now in this scenario did this person lie? No. They had legit info and kept it hidden. For all we know this person knew about the Sans Mii Costume but didn't want to tell anyone to keep the surprise. Now it's not a stretch to think that someone could predict people would react this way by just having Mallow & Smithy costume. People thought Chrom & Dark Samus were in because Ike & Samus didn't have those color alt in the E3 build. People thought Isaac was in because of the Rathalos picture and the sprout item from the Wendy commercial. People thought Shadow would be playable because of the Knuckles Assist Trophy. People thought that Skull Kid was in because of those purple & yellow chairs. It a no brainers to think that people jump to the assumption that Geno would be playable if they only knew about Mallow & Smithy, and that is a smart troll move that requires less work to pull off.

If it doesn't make sense on why they would make two more SMRPG Mii Costume then sorry for my bluntness but I feel like you're living underneath a rock. Sakurai & his team believe that everyone love all these nods to SMRPG without putting effort into making Geno playable. They expected people to cheer because Geno was a Legendary Spirit. That SMRPG reference with Piranha Plant Classic Mode completion screen, they believe those fans were happy to see that. Everything they do like turning fan favorite into Assist Trophies, Mii Costumes, and/or Spirits they expected that would make the fans super happy so they don't have to put the time in to make them playable. They're willing to give the SMRPG fans two extra Mii Costume along with a Geno Costume because they believe that would make the fans the most happiest while it's not taking much effort to do and they can focus on something else. If you think that's crazy to think then take a look at Rex, ARMS, Shadow, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman, Chibi Robo, Custom Robo, Dixie Kong, Ashley, and Skull Kid just to name a few.

God I hate writing this much.

Liscensing more square characters and at least two more songs for 75 cent mii costumes doesnt make financial sense. He may make weird creative decisions but Nintendo and Square wouldnt let him spend all that money for just that.
Yet them liscensing to include two png picture of Geno & Mallow for the base game makes more financial sense? Getting the rights to use them like that probably cost less and probably makes gain a good size profit.

Alongside a character, in a wave? To promote something? Or at some random time?
They release the three SMRPG costume with whoever they want. I don't know.
 
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Long post coming through here.

Yeah, what the guy told Papagenos might be true, but it's entirely possible that they were holding back information. It's not lying if you keep certain info to yourself.
Actually, that would be a "lie of omission".

... I know the rest of your post had a lot of thought and effort put into it, but for the most part it seems like its your usual "Sakurai doesn't care about Mario RPG outside of costumes and subtle nods" which isn't really something you can prove, it's just your overwhelming negativity on the subject. We've really discussed the facts to death, I think. There's no proof the guy is lying, even by omission, and he apparently didn't just target Papagenos with the information as Sabi and others had seen the list as well.

I get that you think you need to be a skeptic but believe me, no one in this thread is just blindly saying "hot dog, the boy's in". There's skepticism and there's whatever you constantly do. Chill out, man.

I can't believe that I of all people have to lecture someone else on the values of having a little bit of optimism.
 

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Long post coming through here.

Yeah, what the guy told Papagenos might be true, but it's entirely possible that they were holding back information. It's not lying if you keep certain info to yourself. This guy use to be a troll, so let's think about it like this: he got legit info about these Mii Costume from a source. They see that not only Geomon & Rocket Grunt are getting Mii Costume but even Geno, Mallow, and Smithy. Now they want to share this info they, so who do they go to? Papagenos. But before they give the info to him they know that he will make a video just like he does with the other leaks that come out. They also know that most people who want Geno watch his video. So when they decide to give the info they leave out Geno because they know that people would think Geno would get in if it was only Mallow & Smithy; just like how people are acting right now. Next wave of info comes out and turns out Geno is still a Mii Costume and people who saw Papagenos video get disappointed because it seems like Geno was going to be playable.

Now in this scenario did this person lie? No. They had legit info and kept it hidden. For all we know this person knew about the Sans Mii Costume but didn't want to tell anyone to keep the surprise. Now it's not a stretch to think that someone could predict people would react this way by just having Mallow & Smithy costume. People thought Chrom & Dark Samus were in because Ike & Samus didn't have those color alt in the E3 build. People thought Isaac was in because of the Rathalos picture and the sprout item from the Wendy commercial. People thought Shadow would be playable because of the Knuckles Assist Trophy. People thought that Skull Kid was in because of those purple & yellow chairs. It a no brainers to think that people jump to the assumption that Geno would be playable if they only knew about Mallow & Smithy, and that is a smart troll move that requires less work to pull off.

If it doesn't make sense on why they would make two more SMRPG Mii Costume then sorry for my bluntness but I feel like you're living underneath a rock. Sakurai & his team believe that everyone love all these nods to SMRPG without putting effort into making Geno playable. They expected people to cheer because Geno was a Legendary Spirit. That SMRPG reference with Piranha Plant Classic Mode completion screen, they believe those fans were happy to see that. Everything they do like turning fan favorite into Assist Trophies, Mii Costumes, and/or Spirits they expected that would make the fans super happy so they don't have to put the time in to make them playable. They're willing to give the SMRPG fans two extra Mii Costume along with a Geno Costume because they believe that would make the fans the most happiest while it's not taking much effort to do and they can focus on something else. If you think that's crazy to think then take a look at Rex, ARMS, Shadow, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman, Chibi Robo, Custom Robo, Dixie Kong, Ashley, and Skull Kid just to name a few.

God I hate writing this much.
Consider the fact that this dude has leaked Luminary and Banjo to Papa before E3 and never had his leak covered by him. Then he gave him the list a week or so after E3 and papa still didnt cover it until now. If he wanted to troll I doubt he would keep that information only in the leaker community and then wait months for anyone to talk about it. For gods sake it wasnt even talked about back when the mii costumes were revealed in early september.

And also remember that Bayonetta had been teased in zero suit samus’s credit picture in smash 4.

Yet them liscensing to include two png picture of Geno & Mallow for the base game makes more financial sense? Getting the rights to use them like that probably cost less and probably makes gain a good size profit.
Geno was sold for 1.25 with no song back in smash four. The spirits were probably included as a sign of hope for us. He didnt even go out of his way to get the original artwork for cloud but got Geno and Mallow. And Square hard to work with for this kind of stuff. I highly doubt theyd make very much profit on the songs plus costumes.


They release the three SMRPG costume with whoever they want. I don't know.
Id argue that the only reason we got a mix of costumes with Banjo is because of microsoft. SNK clearly seems willing to let nintendo use whatever they want as evidenced by Terry’s trailer.

Im sorry but the level of pessimism here is astounding. We finally are closing in but you’re totally blowing this off because we’ve heard he “used to be a troll”. Twiddling your thumbs for several months hoping someone talks about you doesnt seem like very good trolling to me
 

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Hello Smashboards, I'm a new user here. I also have an account at GameFAQs under the same name. Some weeks ago I made a thread there what i would include in a Geno DLC pack, but it started some unwanted discussions there and people told me it would have a more benevolent audience when I would post it here. So here is what I would like to see in a Geno pack:
The main argument I've seen to be used against Geno as a post-Fighters-Pass DLC is Sakurai's comment on how he wants to include more worlds into Smash.
But when you look past the many Toads NPCs and returning enemies, it's world feels really detached from mainstream Mario games and even the other Mario RPGs. The only reused previous locations include Peach's Castle, Yoshi's Island and Bowser's Castle. The only place it introduced that re-appeared in other games was Star Hill and arguably Toad Town, although it was unnamed and basically just a few houses around Peach's castle in this game. Even Mario's house was a completely different one compared to later titles.
It had a unique set of villains, many new enemies that only exist in this game and new locations like Moleville and Nimbus Land, which were inhabitated by mole people (different from Monty Moles) and Cloud people, who both only appeared in this game.
The only notable thing besides Star Hill that got carried over to Paper Mario are some of Mario's moves and the Shaman tribe that got more background in Paper Mario (like Merlon).
I mean, if Yoshi counts as an own series (and he even has the same main villain as Mario) i would think Mario RPG would count as an own "series" with a unique symbol too.
Stage could be either Forest Maze cause of that iconic song, or what i would prefer Bowser's Keep with Exor stuck in it, would also be the first Bowser's Castle stage besides the timed section in the Paper Mario stage.
Music: Beware the Forest's Mushrooms and Fight against an Armed Boss are speculated because of the Youtube-take-downs by Nintendo. But i would also include And my Name's Booster, Barrel Volcano, Fight against Smithy who likes transforming, Fight against a somewhat stronger Monster, Doctay Mountain Railroad, and Valentina. While owned by Square, the music was composed by Yoko Shimomura and i don't see her as stingy like Koichi Sugiyama, in fact none of her actions seem to imply she is stingy at all. So 8 tracks would be the minimum i think.

The other thing i've often read is that Geno wouldn't warrant an own spirit board like other DLC characters but i would disagree with that as well, as the game has more than enough characters to be included as spirits:

Smithy: King Dedede with a higher usage of his Jet Hammer move
Culex: as Mr. Game and Watch, due to his Japanese dialog referencing his flatness, and also because it would reference how G&W was a source of dark energy in Brawl's Sub Space Emissary, which is the case for Culex too.
Frogfucius: green Greninja
Chancellor Toad: as a mii fighter in a green Toad costume, but with a 1-Up-Hat to give him the green color there too and have his face have the dark brown mustache. (Btw he might be the only reappearing character introduced in this game at all if the Toad Minister from Paper Mario is the same as both are green Toads with mustaches and have the same name in Japanese).
Gaz: just regular Toad Mii Fighter (maybe with a Poison Mushroom to reflect him being still a kid) and a small Geno as his doll
Croco: as a purple K. Rool or Ridley
Booster: clear Wario reference so self explanatory, 3 Shy Guy mii fighters to represented the 3 Snifit bodyguards who are always next to him would be a nice touch too.
Boshi: as the dark blue Yoshi
Valentina and Dodo: Palutena and a giant Falco
Mega Smilax: 1 giant Piranha Plant and 3 smaller ones
King Calamari: Giant Inkling
Jonathan Jones: Inkling with a Killing Edge or Staff?
Smithy Gang (group spirit): Mack as Joker with a knife attack priority, Bowyer as Link with a bow attack priority or alternatively Pit, and Yaridovich as Corrin with priority on his spear moves or Ridley for the similar body-type and using his tail impaling as a spear move
Exor: Giant Chrom or any other sword fighter really
Axem Rangers: this one would be a 4 star group fight like Phantom Thieves and Hero's Comrades, to also reflect how they were the hardest fight in the game. They imitate the main party, so it would be: Pink - Peach, Black - Geno, Green - Robin (like in Mallow's spirit battle), Yellow - Bowser and Red - Mario in a simultaneously battle. When they are defeated a giant Ike will spawn to represent Blade and he must be defeated too.
After all this do you think it could count as an own world and how do you like my decisions?
Welcome to the thread! Hopefully you find us goobers to be far more appreciative and accepting of your creativity and thoughts here! Good job compiling many genuinely helpful details for people who may be less familiar with SMRPG! I like how much detail you went into here and like the song selection and idea of Geno having more than 2 songs if he were to get in. As for the stage, I agree the options you listed are certainly very plausible and would be cool. Much much earlier in this thread someone had brought up the idea of a stage that transitions to different places on the SMRPG world map zooming out to the map then in to the next location and we discussed the idea of a stage transitioning from Star Hill to Vista Hill which I think would also be some really cool options for a stage that could come with Geno.

I think it's funny how people apparently bring up an idea that there wouldn't be enough to pull from for Geno to have his own spirit board. Such ignorance would clearly come from not having played the game. I especially appreciate your list of spirit battle ideas as this is something that's been discussed here but not to a great extent so it's kind of a breath of fresh air discussion-wise. Maybe I missed it but I'd of course add blue Yoshi for a Boshi spirit. Also Exor battle might be better suited by a giant Ike? Since Ike has a larger sword that is still a traditional kind of sword and maybe two Kirby's to represent his eyes from his boss battle and someone else to represent the hilt that have to be defeated first before giant Ike can be defeated.
 

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Long post coming through here.

Yeah, what the guy told Papagenos might be true, but it's entirely possible that they were holding back information. It's not lying if you keep certain info to yourself. This guy use to be a troll, so let's think about it like this: he got legit info about these Mii Costume from a source. They see that not only Geomon & Rocket Grunt are getting Mii Costume but even Geno, Mallow, and Smithy. Now they want to share this info they, so who do they go to? Papagenos. But before they give the info to him they know that he will make a video just like he does with the other leaks that come out. They also know that most people who want Geno watch his video. So when they decide to give the info they leave out Geno because they know that people would think Geno would get in if it was only Mallow & Smithy; just like how people are acting right now. Next wave of info comes out and turns out Geno is still a Mii Costume and people who saw Papagenos video get disappointed because it seems like Geno was going to be playable.

Now in this scenario did this person lie? No. They had legit info and kept it hidden. For all we know this person knew about the Sans Mii Costume but didn't want to tell anyone to keep the surprise. Now it's not a stretch to think that someone could predict people would react this way by just having Mallow & Smithy costume. People thought Chrom & Dark Samus were in because Ike & Samus didn't have those color alt in the E3 build. People thought Isaac was in because of the Rathalos picture and the sprout item from the Wendy commercial. People thought Shadow would be playable because of the Knuckles Assist Trophy. People thought that Skull Kid was in because of those purple & yellow chairs. It a no brainers to think that people jump to the assumption that Geno would be playable if they only knew about Mallow & Smithy, and that is a smart troll move that requires less work to pull off.

If it doesn't make sense on why they would make two more SMRPG Mii Costume then sorry for my bluntness but I feel like you're living underneath a rock. Sakurai & his team believe that everyone love all these nods to SMRPG without putting effort into making Geno playable. They expected people to cheer because Geno was a Legendary Spirit. That SMRPG reference with Piranha Plant Classic Mode completion screen, they believe those fans were happy to see that. Everything they do like turning fan favorite into Assist Trophies, Mii Costumes, and/or Spirits they expected that would make the fans super happy so they don't have to put the time in to make them playable. They're willing to give the SMRPG fans two extra Mii Costume along with a Geno Costume because they believe that would make the fans the most happiest while it's not taking much effort to do and they can focus on something else. If you think that's crazy to think then take a look at Rex, ARMS, Shadow, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Rayman, Chibi Robo, Custom Robo, Dixie Kong, Ashley, and Skull Kid just to name a few.

God I hate writing this much.
Dark samus and chrom are in the game tho. Also for the love of god dude you are negative. Dude do you really thing because there are nods in the game theres going to make 3 costumes for a character who is not playable. Like if you ask me releasing 3 smrpg outfits over ones bases on fighter series is dumb. Especially because of how square is sometimes
 
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And something I just thought of, what if the smash team is split into multiple groups to work on different characters. That could explain why hero and Banjo were pretty much done at the same time, and Terry didnt seem too far behind. For all we know this guys source may from the Banjo team, which is also working on Geno. Thats why there’d be that gap for Hero, Terry, and presumably #5
 

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About the leaks for this game, since we are getting closer to November, I bet maybe next week, within the weekdays, maybe, we could be getting newer leaks on who the fifth character is and perhaps more. I could be wrong, but still, it's a possibility.
 

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I'm replaying TTYD again, and I noticed something...

One of the Yoshi kid's colors is very similar to Mallow's color scheme, and they even have the same hair curl.


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It could've just been a coincidence... if not for the hair curl being exactly the same. I feel like this might be an actual intentional reference. (If you don't know, each Yoshi color has a different hairstyle. This is the only one with a curl, the rest are all spiky/messy hair.)
 
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Actually, that would be a "lie of omission".

... I know the rest of your post had a lot of thought and effort put into it, but for the most part it seems like its your usual "Sakurai doesn't care about Mario RPG outside of costumes and subtle nods" which isn't really something you can prove, it's just your overwhelming negativity on the subject. We've really discussed the facts to death, I think. There's no proof the guy is lying, even by omission, and he apparently didn't just target Papagenos with the information as Sabi and others had seen the list as well.

I get that you think you need to be a skeptic but believe me, no one in this thread is just blindly saying "hot dog, the boy's in". There's skepticism and there's whatever you constantly do. Chill out, man.

I can't believe that I of all people have to lecture someone else on the values of having a little bit of optimism.
This whole post waste suppose to come out as Sakurai not liking SMRPG, it's more like how Sakurai view point of what make fans happy doesn't match how it actually plays out with the fans reaction. When he does something he might fully believe that fans are going to love it even though the signs don't point in that direction. Sakurai admits that he doesn't go out to see what fans think of certain thing, so he legit might think that people would love the Mii Costume because he thinks the people feel like they're playing as their favorite character (even though that's not the case or majority of costumes). It's more like he doesn't have the right judgement of what the fans actually think.

I'm just saying it's so easy to leave Geno off the list. It may be consider a lie of omission, but it's not the same as making crap up. It's like how Shinobi mentioned Banjo in Smash Bros but not Hero. He saw the Direct but left that beginning part out, so we only thought there was going to be just one character reveal at E3. That's what we have to consider.
Consider the fact that this dude has leaked Luminary and Banjo to Papa before E3 and never had his leak covered by him. Then he gave him the list a week or so after E3 and papa still didnt cover it until now. If he wanted to troll I doubt he would keep that information only in the leaker community and then wait months for anyone to talk about it. For gods sake it wasnt even talked about back when the mii costumes were revealed in early september.

Im sorry but the level of pessimism here is astounding. We finally are closing in but you’re totally blowing this off because we’ve heard he “used to be a troll”. Twiddling your thumbs for several months hoping someone talks about you doesnt seem like very good trolling to me
Misconceptions here. He didn't leak Banjo. I don't remember the full situation but I believe Papagenos came out and said that that guy didn't leak Banjo to him. Luminary might've been him, idk. But what I do know is that the list started to be talked about when he said Crash was getting in which seems to be fake. He might've gave this list in hope that Papagenos would talk about after the September Direct but that didn't happen so he brought up Crash. Honestly I can't speak for how these conversations go and the mindset a troll leaker might have, but why is it hard to accept the possibility that the guy just left out some info when passing things along?

I'm not saying they're making crap up or they're a fake, just that they might've left info out. Let's say that I saw a Direct early before everyone else and I just mention three games and nothing else, doesn't mean that there was only three games shown in that Direct. We have to take that into consideration.

If it turns out that Geno is actually in and there's just Mallow & Smithy Mii Costumes then great, fantastic. But if it turns out that the Geno Mii Costume was left out intentional or accidental then it's going to suck for the people who believe that Geno was a lock.
 

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I think the best indicator of when we could get more Smash news (Terry's presentation) is when the display at 7/11 changes on November 3 (Japan time). Maybe that could help us figure out when we're getting more information.
 

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I think the best indicator of when we could get more Smash news (Terry's presentation) is when the display at 7/11 changes on November 3 (Japan time). Maybe that could help us figure out when we're getting more information.
Are you suggesting we can get Terry news as early as next week?
 

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They release the three SMRPG costume with whoever they want. I don't know.
Well I'd recommend you give it some consideration, because it's a very vital detail. In fact, allow me to do just that. So, let's assume that you're right, that for whatever reason the leaker guy just lied by omission, and that the Geno costume is back alongside these other two new ones and the Chocobo Hat.

There's no way that they'd release a wave of Mii costumes with a whopping four of those costumes being from the same unrelated publisher, with three of those four being from the same series. For example, could you imagine Crash Bandicoot being released alongside four SquareEnix costumes? What about Jill Valentine? Hell, Bandanna Waddle Dee? I sure as hell can't.

So then we'd have to assume they'd be released alongside a SquareEnix character, but even then it would still be weird. So Persona gets 4 costumes from it's series and two Sonic costumes, Dragon Quest also gets 4 costumes, and ONLY from it's series, and Banjo is just whatever. Yet Lara Croft or 2B get three SMRPG costumes and one Final Fantasy costume? Like, they can't get most of their costumes from their own series like Joker and Hero? Again, very weird.

Now sure, they could just go ahead and release these costumes however they want, but if so, WHY? Why would they just randomly decide to go against their usual release method for these costumes? What would make these SMRPG costumes so special or different that they would subvert their usual MO?
 

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Dark samus and chrom are in the game tho. Also for the love of god dude you are negative. Dude do you really thing because there are nods in the game theres going to make 3 costumes for a character who is not playable. Like if you ask me releasing 3 smrpg outfits over ones bases on fighter series is dumb. Especially because of how square is sometimes
Yes, the Chrom & Dark Samus speculation turned out correct. I wasn't shooting that down, I was giving that as an example of how this community can speculate and look at all the little details to come to certain ideas. Sometimes it turns out right, sometimes it turns out wrong. But with those examples I was trying to show how you can make people speculate by revealing a portion of the picture but still covering it up.

Yes, I do believe that it's entirely possible that they would make three SMRPG costume in Smash Bros. They're all Mario character so technically they already have a lot of characters from that series playable (Both Mario, Peach, Bowser, Piranha Plant, and Yoshi showed up in SMRPG, including Luigi since he was in the credits). We also got a lot of Mii Costumes for series that never had a playable status like Virtua Fighter, so what's so hard for them to make two more costume to go with Geno's Costume?

Yes I'm negative. I refuse to buy into leaks. If turns out to be completely true and Geno gets in then cool, I lost nothing for being cautious about this. Turns out that Geno is still a Mii Costume, then I'm glad I didn't buy into the leak.
 

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Are you suggesting we can get Terry news as early as next week?
I think we're getting Terry in the first or second week of November. Judging by previous 7/11 displays we've seen on Hero and Banjo they give us a good timeframe on when they're getting released.
 

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Well I'd recommend you give it some consideration, because it's a very vital detail. In fact, allow me to do just that. So, let's assume that you're right, that for whatever reason the leaker guy just lied by omission, and that the Geno costume is back alongside these other two new ones and the Chocobo Hat.

There's no way that they'd release a wave of Mii costumes with a whopping four of those costumes being from the same unrelated publisher, with three of those four being from the same series. For example, could you imagine Crash Bandicoot being released alongside four SquareEnix costumes? What about Jill Valentine? Hell, Bandanna Waddle Dee? I sure as hell can't.

So then we'd have to assume they'd be released alongside a SquareEnix character, but even then it would still be weird. So Persona gets 4 costumes from it's series and two Sonic costumes, Dragon Quest also gets 4 costumes, and ONLY from it's series, and Banjo is just whatever. Yet Lara Croft or 2B get three SMRPG costumes and one Final Fantasy costume? Like, they can't get most of their costumes from their own series like Joker and Hero? Again, very weird.

Now sure, they could just go ahead and release these costumes however they want, but if so, WHY? Why would they just randomly decide to go against their usual release method for these costumes? What would make these SMRPG costumes so special or different that they would subvert their usual MO?
Like you mention, Banjo got whatever. He didn't get costumes from the Banjo series and he didn't get Microsoft costume.

We're trying to figure out a pattern but it's entirely possible that there isn't a pattern. For all we know they could release a bunch of Mii Costumes without it being tied to a fighter. Remember Smash Bros 4?

They could do whatever they want however they want.
 

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Like you mention, Banjo got whatever. He didn't get costumes from the Banjo series and he didn't get Microsoft costume.

We're trying to figure out a pattern but it's entirely possible that there isn't a pattern. For all we know they could release a bunch of Mii Costumes without it being tied to a fighter. Remember Smash Bros 4?

They could do whatever they want however they want.
Isn't this the exact opposite reasoning for why you think Geno isn't Fighter #5? Haven't you said before that because none of the Fighter Pass characters have been spirit upgrades, that Geno wouldn't be upgraded either for #5? How can you see that as pattern but then in this case say that the developers can do whatever they want however they want?
 
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