Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[TheCJBrine]

You mean this?

Yeah; I just thought, if they remix it, I hope it loops.

The original is already very good, though, so it doesn’t really need a remix; I guess I just like the remix from Legacy XP.

 

[Sour Supreme]

I ask this question about 10 pages ago. MisterMike made great pixel art of what it could look like.

They don't look bad as sprites. At the same time, the Mallow one does have cursed image vibes.

 

[Deleted member]

Hope is there. Geno's chances are still high.

I believe they are but we'll know for sure in time.

 

[7NATOR]

I don't know if you guys discussed this, But Do you think the next Smash reveal could be more than 1 character

Not just more than one, but maybe 3+ Characters. It would explain why they revealed Extra DLC Early. Maybe they are gonna reveal characters in packs of 3 or more, Like how Injustice 2 did it.

 

[Vector Victor]

For me the best outcome of Geno getting in (since i only want him for his fans really, I don't share a deep connection with the character like the rest of you guys here) is that the "muh spirits are decunfirmations" fan rule will finally be broken and /v/ will have to roll in their graves, lol. I just like chaos happen among naysayers plus the fans are happy in the end.

Do you guys think Geno will be the next "impossible thing" rule to be broken in this image in the future? I can't wait, lol.

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Nah, even after fan rule folks get proven wrong, AGAIN, they'll just move onto the next plausible character who they will deem as impossible because reasons. There are those STILL pushing the 'Irrelevant' argument.

 

[CannonStreak]

I don't know if you guys discussed this, But Do you think the next Smash reveal could be more than 1 character

Not just more than one, but maybe 3+ Characters. It would explain why they revealed Extra DLC Early. Maybe they are gonna reveal characters in packs of 3 or more, Like how Injustice 2 did it.

That is possible. I mean, Nintendo and Sakurai aren't Netherrealm Studios, but it would be cool to see that, especially if the those characters shared the same trailer somehow.

 

[EarlTamm]

They don't look bad as sprites. At the same time, the Mallow one does have cursed image vibes.

He does kinda look like the clown verion of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.

 

[SkeffVEVO]

November and December seem to be interesting months for Smash news and I am looking forward to it.

 

[7NATOR]

That is possible. I mean, Nintendo and Sakurai aren't Netherrealm Studios, but it would be cool to see that, especially if the those characters shared the same trailer somehow.

I Could see Trailers start being connected with multiple characters. I Believe when Sakurai said they went over budget, it was on the CGi/Trailer aspect of the DLC. I'm guessing Sakurai wants to put in as many characters as they can, so they are gonna perhaps try to get that trailer cost down

One way to do this is if Characters share the same trailer, or they go Smash 4 Style, whatever

 

[waterhasataste]

I don't know if you guys discussed this, But Do you think the next Smash reveal could be more than 1 character

Not just more than one, but maybe 3+ Characters. It would explain why they revealed Extra DLC Early. Maybe they are gonna reveal characters in packs of 3 or more, Like how Injustice 2 did it.

I'm honestly thinking we're going to be getting a direct this time. Talk about Terry, reveal and talk about Ryu, talk about future DLC plans, reveal Geno at the end to kick off the next DLC wave, save some crazy unexpected Joker esque pick for the Game Awards

 

[EarlTamm]

Saw another Geno based art piece on Twitter today.

Spoiler: Tweet

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[valkiriforce]

I just want to say, if Geno gets into Ultimate I will likely play around with him as a fighter - BUT, one of the first and most important things to do with any great character (at least in my case) when entering the Smash experience is to take them out for a wonderful photoshoot:

Spoiler

 

[Grumbo]

I don't know if you guys discussed this, But Do you think the next Smash reveal could be more than 1 character

Not just more than one, but maybe 3+ Characters. It would explain why they revealed Extra DLC Early. Maybe they are gonna reveal characters in packs of 3 or more, Like how Injustice 2 did it.

Fatman did say earlier that we could see three more reveals by the end of the year, but i doubt all three would be at once. If it does happen i could see two more at a smash dedicated direct in November and one at the VGAs, or vice versa.

 

[StarLight42]

Is there no chance Geno can be #76 anymore?

I really felt that was the perfect slot for him. I don’t know if Fatmanonice is speculating or he’s heard something will happen at Game Awards.

It just seems like we’ve been waiting for so long that we should know if he’s in (or if we’re getting the costume back) by January.

These Crash and Hayabusa rumors appeared recently but there’s been weird Geno hints since like July (even as early as last January if you count the watercooler rumors)

Sorry if it sounds like i’m being impatient, but it becomes exhausting to hold onto hope for so long when Geno is one of my last major picks for Ultimate, and the biggest one currently

 

[AugustusB]

Caught up to the thread. Man...its a coin toss (at worst!?!) for Geno from Insiders?

Guys...I am going all in. *pushes poker chips forward* Its time!

Yo YsDisciple throw me a KeroKero Cola! I'm joining you!

 

[Deleted member]

Saw another Geno based art piece on Twitter today.

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Literally the best art I’ve seen all day!

 

[N3ON]

Frankly I don't think they would've told us there were additional characters in development when they did if they weren't planning to show one of em sooner than later. It's atypical for Nintendo not to sit on info like that, and it's not like disclosure was urgent.

 

[EarlTamm]

Literally the best art I’ve seen all day!

I like how they designed the hair around the little curl normal Geno has, though I am still not sure if that curl is supposed to be hair in the first place.

 

[Vector Victor]

Bold prediction time for the 3 characters 2019 theory:

Character 5 at a November Direct along with Terry's showcase.
December reveal at the Game Awards, a unique and an echo.


.......this wasn't really that bold now that I read it.

 

[N3ON]

I like how they designed the hair around the little curl normal Geno has, though I am still not sure if that curl is supposed to be hair in the first place.

Though they did seemingly forget that Gina is a name.

 

[Deleted member]

Insiders saying Geno as 50/50 at the worst? Big HMMMMM. What insiders saying Geno has a decent chance exactly?

 

[waterhasataste]

Now thinking about it, if we did get a direct, it could play out exactly like the Final Smash 4 Direct did. In that direct we got:

-Corrin (new character direct opener)
-Elaboration on Cloud (character revealed in past direct)
-Bayonetta (final new character in the direct that is considered a fan favorite due to Smash Ballot)

A Ultimate direct in November could play out a similar way:

-Ryu Hayabusa (new character direct opener)
-Elaboration on Terry (character revealed in past direct)
-Geno (final new character for the direct that is a fan favorite and likely did well on the ballot)

 

[TheCJBrine]

Prediction:

Geno is revealed at the VGAs, like how Geno was mentioned in the HQ app during the VGAs last year.

My reasoning makes no sense, I know; I just find it funny.

 

[Musubi]

So let's say Geno gets revealed within the next 3 DLC fighters (#5, 6, or 7 not including Plant). How long do you think he would have been planned for a DLC spot? I was thinking back to when the NOA source first said that they heard Geno rumors within the company, and to me that seems like it would be too far from when he would probably be selected as DLC if he comes within the next 3 fighters. If those rumors were about something legit but not about Smash DLC, then maybe it could point to something SMRPG related like a remake or sequel. Just wondering what other people's thoughts on that were.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we all agree that Ginny should be Geno’s echo fighter?

 

[StarLight42]

I think it should be "Gina" or "Gena", not "Ginny"

 

[EricTheGamerman]

First of all, you do know that when people are stating an opinion they don't need to classify that it's just their opinion that they're not talking for everyone, right? If I say something I don't need to state that it's just my view of things and that I'm not taking everyone else view into consideration because I'm stating my opinion.

Yes, it's a video game, but that doesn't mean we can't opinions that might constitute as being negative. We don't have to like everything that is in the game and we're allowed to not like stuff and aspect of the game. Complaining about Mii Costumes like Rex helps send a message that people like these types of Mii Costume so we can get better ones because these look absolutely terrible and doesn't fulfill the purpose that Sakurai think they do, make you "feel like" your playing as them. They look like ugly bootlegs, but I will go to the tallest mountain and sing praises for the Sans Mii Costume because it looks so freaking good. We need more costumes like Sans, who actually looks like the character, and less of these bootleg characters.

"Some people are happy with this" is quite literally one of the worse defense because it tries to silence & dismiss others opinion because it doesn't fit with what people want to hear. With "some people are happy with this" means that nothing in this world that is created is allowed to be disliked & criticized. "Don't like Batman vs Superman, well someone else like it so shut up because those people's comments mean so much more." This doesn't work, it's meaningless and just a quick way to make people suppress their opinions.

Now let's talk about this "entitlement" bullcrap. The whole "you're not entitled to anything" is also bullcrap because it doesn't negate the criticism that comes it's way. "You're not entitled to a good game, you're not entitled to a good movie, you're not entitled to anything so you should never complain about anything." Are we "entitled" to have a game with normal progression system? Of course not, but that doesn't mean people sit down and just accept what is given to them, because other wise you'll end up with more games like EA Battlefront 2. Are we "entitled" to have a Smash Bros game that doesn't feature tripping? No, Sakurai could totally patch that in since it's his game that he's developing, but if he does that then let's just say he's not "entitled" to our praises.

And lastly this whole "you should be happy with something," is actually pretty bad. The thing we got we're not happy with, but you're coming in and saying "you should be happy with that." NO WE DON'T. We don't like the thing we got, but we're being told that we should just be happy with it because it's "something." It only works like that for you because you don't honestly care about it. It's easy to say that when you got no investment in. But think of it like this, say some executive took a fiction series you love then made it into a movie and turns out to be super freaking bad in many ways, but someone comes up to you and say "you should be happy that they made that movie." Nobody needs to be happy with it and people are allowed to say that that rather not have that be a thing at all.

I realize you have an opinion, I'm just saying that anybody that decides to go so actively against an addition to the game that doesn't actively detract from the experience, can be completely ignored, and makes some people happy instead of any number of things is a giant misplaced sense of priorities. There's 80 characters, 106 stages, etc. Not every piece of content is going to be as you like it and not every piece of content is going to appeal to you. There's nothing wrong with not liking all of those things and you're allowed to have your opinion on the matter, but that's a reality you have to acknowledge that not everything will be for you. You have to accept that other people may like these additions. It's a video game with a **** load of options to cater to all kinds of people, of course not every option appeals to everyone or should, but a character, a Mii costume, an Assist Trophy, etc. is an option for the player to experience within the game.

The problem with your commentary is that you constantly downplay the fact people enjoy these representations and proceed to complain and complain about a character that will, in all likelihood, was never planned to be playable, is not currently playable, and will probably not be playable in the future in Ultimate. That's fine if your upset at that notion, feel free to voice your idea through character support that "X should be in and here's why." But you don't just do that, you have to actively campaign against the character's representation in the game. Not every character will be playable, not every beloved character that polls well will necessarily be playable. These things happen and Sakurai makes a million decisions about the roster. If Isaac was never planned to be playable and Nintendo has no plans to ever make any future Golden Sun titles and they're choosing to focus on other fan requests, then he was never going to be playable. You would be just as upset that he wasn't anywhere to be found in the game (trust me, I've been an Isaac fan for a while, Smash 4's absence was proverbial gut punch). You just wouldn't have a more specific target for your frustration.

You have one of two scenarios:

Option 1 - Isaac gets an Assist Trophy and a Mii costume. Some Golden Sun fans are happy to be acknowledged after being left out of the last game and enjoy being able to have some experience with one of their favorite games. Some people are happy with the inclusion. A smaller minority is absolutely furious that Isaac isn't playable and hates the "compromise."

Option 2 - Isaac gets nothing. The Golden Sun fans are sad because they've been completely ignored yet again and Smash seems an ever more distant dream. The same people furious at the Mii costume are now furious Isaac isn't in the game at all and not playable. Some people hold out hope that he ends up as DLC, but he never does, and everybody is disappointed.

Those are you two options. Either you make some people happy, or no one happy. There's a pragmatic and obvious option to choose. Now, you may say, "But Isaac could be playable!!!" Well, he wasn't going to be playable in base game or the first set of DLC, he was clearly passed over and nothing changes about his situation if he is not an Assist Trophy. What about future DLC? Well, if they're interested in including him as DLC, they'll do it anyway. The Assist Trophy won't stop them if they see some sort of worthwhile investment in developing him as DLC. There's a good chance it doesn't matter if assist trophies were always deemed to just not be enough for playable fighters, and then you're again arguing against a different notion than the "compromised representation Isaac has."

Not to mention, what if the "something" results in playable status? What if Isaac as an Assist Trophy gets more people interested in him, or the backlash from the Assist Trophy makes Nintendo rethink their decision and they decide to include him as DLC later on? The "nothing" scenario gives him zero additional exposure and makes a fan base that already felt silenced by Smash 4 even more depressed.

My entire point is that "something" makes some people happy, whereas "nothing" makes no one happy. You're free to want the character as playable all you want and have your opinions on what was included and what wasn't, but crusading against the "something" is just quite honestly dumb and selfish. The binary choice here is "something" or "nothing." One of those appeases some people, the other appeases no one. It's not "you should be happy," it's that you should just accept the reality of the situation and acknowledge it at least does make some people happy even if it doesn't personally do anything for you. You want to remove other people's happiness not even for your own, but just to slightly shift the target of your frustration. Your opinion doesn't exist in a vacuum here.

 

[LipeCau]

I know we take reasons out of our asses for speculation, but I honestly think Geno is pretty much either a character or a costume, specially with the music copyright episode. The more time passes and we don't have the costume, the more I lean towards the character.

 

[7NATOR]

Fatman did say earlier that we could see three more reveals by the end of the year, but i doubt all three would be at once. If it does happen i could see two more at a smash dedicated direct in November and one at the VGAs, or vice versa.

IF this is the case, and with all the rumors playing out, this is how i see things happening

Ryu is Fighter number 5. Maybe in same Presentation Either Geno or Reimu is revealed...or Both

Crash is definitely for VGA, considering the Appeal to the West

If Geno or Reimu aren't revealed yet, then they will just be revealed in 2020

This is assuming all the rumors currently (Ryu leaks and Crash Leak (with Geno being likely in both of these), Touhou Leak)

Plus even if there ain't even close to being done, Joker and Terry show that Trailers don't have to come with Gameplay anymore

 

[EarlTamm]

papagenos uploaded a new video. Most of the info we all probably know(Outside of possibly the Reimu stuff), but I think it's a good refresher.

 

[wynn728]

No one heard about the Mii Costume leak and stopped to ask
HOW THE **** IS A MALLOW MII COSTUME GOING TO LOOK WTF?

I imagine the costume will have the Mii's face reveal, Mallow's face will be a hat (like Tails), you'll have the white & blue stripes pants, everything will be covered in yellow bumps to look like clouds, hands will be big, and pink shoes.

I got a clear idea of how it's going to look and it feels super cursed. Like, I think the Mallow Mii Costume going to look gross due how short he is and how they're going stretch him out to fit the Mii Fighter.

 

[Rohanx17]

I'll be honest I wasn't considering a full smash direct especially in the vein of the corrin/bayo one but now that I'm thinking about that I could totally see that happening. They do need to clarify what exactly is the plan moving forward once the pass officially ends after 5 is announced and a short smash direct seems a much better place then to cram it into a main one or the terry showcase.

Caught up to the thread. Man...its a coin toss (at worst!?!) for Geno from Insiders?
Guys...I am going all in. *pushes poker chips forward* Its time!
Yo YsDisciple throw me a KeroKero Cola! I'm joining you!

*cracks open a new case*

good to see the geno faithful is joining me one by one. The pessimism of the first 6 months of the year almost got me to break I'll admit, but I still stand by my original claim geno is going to be our first bonus fighter and I'm floored that I might have actually got that right depending on how the order of things all shakes out.

 

[wynn728]

I realize you have an opinion, I'm just saying that anybody that decides to go so actively against an addition to the game that doesn't actively detract from the experience, can be completely ignored, and makes some people happy instead of any number of things is a giant misplaced sense of priorities. There's 80 characters, 106 stages, etc. Not every piece of content is going to be as you like it and not every piece of content is going to appeal to you. There's nothing wrong with not liking all of those things and you're allowed to have your opinion on the matter, but that's a reality you have to acknowledge that not everything will be for you. You have to accept that other people may like these additions. It's a video game with a **** load of options to cater to all kinds of people, of course not every option appeals to everyone or should, but a character, a Mii costume, an Assist Trophy, etc. is an option for the player to experience within the game.

The problem with your commentary is that you constantly downplay the fact people enjoy these representations and proceed to complain and complain about a character that will, in all likelihood, was never planned to be playable, is not currently playable, and will probably not be playable in the future in Ultimate. That's fine if your upset at that notion, feel free to voice your idea through character support that "X should be in and here's why." But you don't just do that, you have to actively campaign against the character's representation in the game. Not every character will be playable, not every beloved character that polls well will necessarily be playable. These things happen and Sakurai makes a million decisions about the roster. If Isaac was never planned to be playable and Nintendo has no plans to ever make any future Golden Sun titles and they're choosing to focus on other fan requests, then he was never going to be playable. You would be just as upset that he wasn't anywhere to be found in the game (trust me, I've been an Isaac fan for a while, Smash 4's absence was proverbial gut punch). You just wouldn't have a more specific target for your frustration.

You have one of two scenarios:

Option 1 - Isaac gets an Assist Trophy and a Mii costume. Some Golden Sun fans are happy to be acknowledged after being left out of the last game and enjoy being able to have some experience with one of their favorite games. Some people are happy with the inclusion. A smaller minority is absolutely furious that Isaac isn't playable and hates the "compromise."

Option 2 - Isaac gets nothing. The Golden Sun fans are sad because they've been completely ignored yet again and Smash seems an ever more distant dream. The same people furious at the Mii costume are now furious Isaac isn't in the game at all and not playable. Some people hold out hope that he ends up as DLC, but he never does, and everybody is disappointed.

Those are you two options. Either you make some people happy, or no one happy. There's a pragmatic and obvious option to choose. Now, you may say, "But Isaac could be playable!!!" Well, he wasn't going to be playable in base game or the first set of DLC, he was clearly passed over and nothing changes about his situation if he is not an Assist Trophy. What about future DLC? Well, if they're interested in including him as DLC, they'll do it anyway. The Assist Trophy won't stop them if they see some sort of worthwhile investment in developing him as DLC. There's a good chance it doesn't matter if assist trophies were always deemed to just not be enough for playable fighters, and then you're again arguing against a different notion than the "compromised representation Isaac has."

Not to mention, what if the "something" results in playable status? What if Isaac as an Assist Trophy gets more people interested in him, or the backlash from the Assist Trophy makes Nintendo rethink their decision and they decide to include him as DLC later on? The "nothing" scenario gives him zero additional exposure and makes a fan base that already felt silenced by Smash 4 even more depressed.

My entire point is that "something" makes some people happy, whereas "nothing" makes no one happy. You're free to want the character as playable all you want and have your opinions on what was included and what wasn't, but crusading against the "something" is just quite honestly dumb and selfish. The binary choice here is "something" or "nothing." One of those appeases some people, the other appeases no one. It's not "you should be happy," it's that you should just accept the reality of the situation and acknowledge it at least does make some people happy even if it doesn't personally do anything for you. You want to remove other people's happiness not even for your own, but just to slightly shift the target of your frustration. Your opinion doesn't exist in a vacuum here.

Okay this is way too long.

All I'm going to say is that I doubt many people would cry their eyes out because they didn't get a 1 in 59 chance of seeing their character move around for 15 seconds or get the option to play as a bootleg version of them.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Has anyone talk to Fatmanonice lately? Maybe he can confirm from Sabi's NOA source if that Mallow/Smithy Mii costume leak is 100% percent real.

 

[AugustusB]

*cracks open a new case*

good to see the geno faithful is joining me one by one. The pessimism of the first 6 months of the year almost got me to break I'll admit, but I still stand by my original claim geno is going to be our first bonus fighter and I'm floored that I might have actually got that right depending on how the order of things all shakes out.

*sips* Ahhh...I got Joker, who was my pipe dream pick. Hero/DQ8, my favorite DQ got some exposure. And Banjo & Kazooie...the one I voted for during the Smash Ballot days. Honestly, I do not mind Terry. Reminds me of those days in my teens shoveling coins into the arcade box at a laundromat playing KoF. I played Ninja Gaiden on Xbox and loved it (Tough as hell...but fun). Geno...is for all of you guys and those who have fought for him for years. I played SMRPG because of this thread!

*sips again* This is good...isn't it?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Bold prediction time for the 3 characters 2019 theory:

Character 5 at a November Direct along with Terry's showcase.
December reveal at the Game Awards, a unique and an echo.


.......this wasn't really that bold now that I read it.

A fighter and an echo in December? Rayman and Globox for the win!

R RetrogamerMax , yes we have, and he's in the dark on it too, but they're leaning towards legit, unless I'm mistaken.

 

[EarlTamm]

Has anyone talk to Fatmanonice lately? Maybe he can confirm from Sabi's NOA source if that Mallow/Smithy Mii costume leak is 100% percent real.

Look at the past couple of pages, he was here today talking about that stuff.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Look at the past couple of pages, he was here today talking about that stuff.

Thanks. I'll take a look through his posts.

 

[YsDisciple]

Yo YsDisciple throw me a KeroKero Cola! I'm joining you!

Opens KeroKero Cola and slides it across the counter.

A few posts earlier (or pages) I saw someone mention something along the lines of hopefully Geno being announced (or released most preferably) around Spring (March 9th). March 9th would be PERFECT (because it would fall on Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars' 24th anniversary).

I've said it once, and I'll say it again; I'm at 100 : 0 chances of Geno being in (post Fighters Pass). Also, moving off from dlc speculation, but still Geno related

Spoiler: SMRPG Geno origin headcanon

These days I've been thinking/theorizing "who made the Geno doll?". Thinking on how prior to the doll being possessed, it appeared to already have weapon-like properties (seen when Gaz uses Geno's "ultimate technique" on Mario), such a unique doll must have been made by a talented (if not genius) toy-maker. Wondering who within the Mushroom Kingdom/Mario Universe could perhaps fit the bill of a master craftsman, or more specifically a toy-maker (or actually, a robotics expert), I thought "what if it was Professor E. Gadd who created the Geno doll?". However, Professor E. Gadd was introduced years after SMRPG, which led me to think "or maybe... E. Gadd's father created the Geno doll".

Here's where my head-canon kicks in with regards to how the Geno doll came to be. Say that, during the time in which the plot of SMRPG took place, a genius craftsman had created his last project; it being a doll that curiously possessed weapon-like applications installed within its figure. However, this doll did not come as a mere epiphany to the master craftsman; it was a request made by a divine patron. As if foreseeing future events that would eventually come to pass, the craftsman was asked to create a special doll; one that would seem like a toy, but that had practical mechanisms with which to defend itself. Once the doll was complete, the craftsman was to notify this mysterious patron in order for it to pass onto it something. That "something" was actually a small amount of star energy that would aid ♪!? in the future when it would descend to possess the doll. The energy, once the doll were possessed by the star messenger, would unlock additional tools hidden within its body (Geno's special attacks), as well as allow it to modify certain parts (changing weapons with others that were also requested by the craftsman).

 

[ARandomZoomer]

No one heard about the Mii Costume leak and stopped to ask
HOW THE **** IS A MALLOW MII COSTUME GOING TO LOOK WTF?

Mallow's clothes and a hat like the Morgana one?