Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Datboigeno]

Honestly, after the bandage is ripped off with Geno (whether he's in or not), I'll find every character onward would just be a cherry on top for me. B-K was my ultimate dream pick and Geno is my ultimate 'likely' pick. If Geno makes it, this really will be the end of a Smash era for me, because all of my most wanteds are in or represented in an ample way (Shadow). I literally would not be able to ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

I'll just kick back and be excited, happy, or at worst, mildly blasé with whatever we get from there.

... and I'll also be screaming about Geno a lot if he's in. Expect many screenshots and much gushing over how adorable he is.

This is exactly how I feel. After Geno a lot of the emotional investment I have in speculation will pretty much be gone at least for SSBU. I will have every character I want. There are some I’d be cool with and hyped to check out but no big desires.

Once again, you are making assumptions on what I think. I never especially said they should share 100 percent of what they know. You really could use some knowing on how I work. I personally don't care how much information they give to others. I do understand why they don't share all the information to begin with. And I did say there are other ways to add too speculation aside from being an insider. It's not hard to understand. I don't care if they get more attention than I do, I just don't think companies should let certain people get the information like that while others don't so early. I know, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I am not the person you think I am being.

Well the thing is companies aren’t “letting” people do anything. At a certain point people leaking are technically breaking NDAs. And the companies very much don’t like that.

 

[Nazyrus]

Honestly, after the bandage is ripped off with Geno (whether he's in or not), I'll find every character onward would just be a cherry on top for me. B-K was my ultimate dream pick and Geno is my ultimate 'likely' pick. If Geno makes it, this really will be the end of a Smash era for me, because all of my most wanteds are in or represented in an ample way (Shadow). I literally would not be able to ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

I'll just kick back and be excited, happy, or at worst, mildly blasé with whatever we get from there.

... and I'll also be screaming about Geno a lot if he's in. Expect many screenshots and much gushing over how adorable he is.

For me the best outcome of Geno getting in (since i only want him for his fans really, I don't share a deep connection with the character like the rest of you guys here) is that the "muh spirits are decunfirmations" fan rule will finally be broken and /v/ will have to roll in their graves, lol. I just like chaos happen among naysayers plus the fans are happy in the end.

Do you guys think Geno will be the next "impossible thing" rule to be broken in this image in the future? I can't wait, lol.

 

[Luis27]

So, this may be unrelated to the discussion, but when do you guys think the next Direct will be? It doesn't have to be the standard Direct, but another type of Direct like a Smash Direct, if we get any kind of Direct to begin with, that is.

i think november, you know, Terry

 

[waterhasataste]

Geno would be basically it for me as well in terms of being involved in speculation. He's the only character I've strongly supported. I'm already like 99% satisfied with Ultimate and Sakurai and his team has made it to where I get excited no matter what character gets revealed. But Geno would really be that "it" for me to really push that 99 to 100 and just make me retire from speculation all together

 

[Fatmanonice]

I really hope someone let's Sabi and everyone else in that private discord group know that you don't think them sharing information is fair or necessary. There's not really that much to understand. You think people shouldn't share things unless they can share them 100% and I understand that things aren't that black and white and literal jobs are on the line when it comes to this stuff. So I am satisfied with knowing other characters than Geno, Ryu, and Crash are being discussed. I'm not tearing my hair out not knowing who they are because it's not that big of a deal lol

Plus, with a strong possibility of at least four post pass characters and two of them having a decent shot of being Geno and Crash, I think that's pretty great for the fanbase in a big picture. Yeah, I can't talk about everyone but, damn, I can confirm that two of the most wanted are being seriously talked about and I think that should be a sigh of relief for most.

 

[Ovaltine]

For me the best outcome of Geno getting in (since i only want him for his fans really, I don't share a deep connection with the character like the rest of you guys here) is that the "muh spirits are decunfirmations" fan rule will finally be broken and /v/ will have to roll in their graves, lol. I just like chaos happen among naysayers plus the fans are happy in the end.

Do you guys think Geno will be the next "impossible thing" rule to be broken in this image in the future? I can't wait, lol.

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Oh, that will be fun rofl. Yeah, uh, I will definitely be having the popcorn for that, if it happens.

Okay, that and GameFAQs. The Geno detractors there are genuinely funny to watch. It feels like a sketch comedy on Smash fandom.

 

[Nazyrus]

i think november, you know, Terry

Yeah literally the last chance of a direct would be November, which usually is a game focused direct (last regular direct is always around september). I think best case scenario would be : direct with terry and 5th dlc reveal, then TGA has the teaser for the next character. Just hoping Nintendo follows that logic of managing surprise reveals… end the year with a bang, ya' know.

 

[CannonStreak]

This is exactly how I feel. After Geno a lot of the emotional investment I have in speculation will pretty much be gone at least for SSBU. I will have every character I want. There are some I’d be cool with and hyped to check out but no big desires.




Well the thing is companies aren’t “letting” people do anything. At a certain point people leaking are technically breaking NDAs. And the companies very much don’t like that.

I may have made a mistake. I meant to the insiders who get their information...however. What I am saying is that companies themselves can share hints and info in other ways other than the possibly separate leakers who get their info in whatever way and sharing it whether companies want them to or not.

That said, since we DO have insiders anyway nowadays, that is to say I don't mind all leakers. Brew and Vergeben, for example. About that NoA Ambassador, though...if he were found out to be doing what he was doing by his superiors, even if it were to a limited amount of people on a private Discord, would he...you know, get in trouble or something, or not in his case?

 

[EarlTamm]

I don't think Smash speculation will be over for me with the reveal of Geno, but it will be a great relief off my shoulders.

 

[CannonStreak]

I don't think Smash speculation will be over for me with the reveal of Geno, but it will be a great relief off my shoulders.

Same here, but with how many video game characters there are, I'd only get portion of that relief with Geno. For me, the battle truly never ends, and the relief never fully comes.

 

[Deleted member]

So what I heard is that the Mii costumes is not connected to the Crash rumor right?

 

[Nazyrus]

So what I heard is that the Mii costumes is not connected to the Crash rumor right?

Possibly, but hard to say for sure, like Papagenos said, it's just speculation. He can't verify that himself so he has to chew on what he hears for the time being (as we do all with any leak that comes from external sources really)

 

[EricTheGamerman]

That's fine if that's your feeling about the stuff but there are those of us who are perfectly fine with not getting 100% of something. No carrots are really being dangled. Just that there are certain things that are being talked about. No issues really need to be created if people can accept the fact that they don't need to know absolutely everything other people know. For example people can enjoy the fact that there already several characters being rumored behind the scenes and we can speculate who they are. Is that not fodder for relevant discussion in this specific thread? You just have to not feel entitled to know everything about a subject especially if people's jobs are on the line. There's literally nothing wrong with how Fatman is handling things. People are genuinely just too impatient for their own good lol

When people's jobs are on the line, that's all the more reason to just say nothing when you know you can't say anything or shouldn't be saying anything. I'm fine not knowing more specific details (It can hurt people's points though and their "leaks," but that's just the reality of it), but my primary issue is the entire premise of "I know something, but I can't or won't tell you." The rest of leak related stuff is relatively fine, but this is something I have a problem with and do not want to condone in any manner. This is a video game, not critically important information that we need to be updated on like something in the government that will be communicated to the public in the future. There's an expectation of communication in such scenarios, whereas the base line for Smash speculation is "We know nothing and don't expect anything until Sakurai announces it." No leakers have to come forward and at no point do you need to reveal that you have more information than you're letting on. That's an entirely a personal decision you make and it does create issues in which people either constantly beg for that information and people begin to take them less seriously as an individual withholds information.

Again, it's just better to operate with the knowledge that other people do not need to know your business. Saying "I know something, but I won't tell you" is the absolute epitome of basically stoking the fires of impatience and manufacturing discussion out of nothing. At least a regular leak has a name with it, whereas this line is the absence of information turning into a discussion when, again, our base operating mode is said absence of information and we don't expect it. You can absolutely communicate the information available to you without letting on that you know more or blatantly stating that you do.

It's also just principle again. I'd call out such behavior if one of my friends pulled such a thing. If you know, for a fact, you cannot tell someone something, why even bother with telling them you know it in the first place when they otherwise would have not even known or cared? Communicating that it seems like there will be more than two fighters is fine and gives people additional information. Stating that you know the names of some of those options, but can't communicate them is less so. Coming specifically into a place and announcing you know something, but can't tell them is the clear line. I'm against the principle wholeheartedly. I've seen people do this for years in all sorts of contexts, and I have never seen it be at all a positive influence on any situation and just leads to frustration. I acknowledge that things are not just black and white with leaks and you can't always tell information that may be important because of certain factors at play. I also acknowledge it's easy to just say "I can't say anything more" in response to someone's question and that's fine as well. It's when you acknowledge the existence of information that would otherwise be unknown (There's a picture that I can't show is the obvious example here) and then not telling that I say we don't support. It had a clear negative outcome and impact last time, I'm just asking to be mindful of the information being communicated and to not add superfluously to things by stating, "I know something, but I can't/won't tell you."

 

[xpnc]

So what I heard is that the Mii costumes is not connected to the Crash rumor right?

Same guy, not the same rumour

 

[Datboigeno]

I may have made a mistake. I meant to the insiders who get their information...however. What I am saying is that companies themselves can share hints and info in other ways other than the possibly separate leakers who get their info in whatever way and sharing it whether companies want them to or not.

That said, since we DO have insiders anyway nowadays, that is to say I don't mind all leakers. Brew and Vergeben, for example. About that NoA Ambassador, though...if he were found out to be doing what he was doing by his superiors, even if it were to a limited amount of people on a private Discord, would he...you know, get in trouble or something, or not in his case?

He would most certainly be fired from his NoA position and more likely than not would face serious legal ramifications. If Sabi was threatened with legal action just for leaking E3 stuff you can be sure an official ambassador leaking stuff months in advance would really piss the higher ups at Nintendo off to the point that they'd really go after them.

 

[catsforlife1]

For me the best outcome of Geno getting in (since i only want him for his fans really, I don't share a deep connection with the character like the rest of you guys here) is that the "muh spirits are decunfirmations" fan rule will finally be broken and /v/ will have to roll in their graves, lol. I just like chaos happen among naysayers plus the fans are happy in the end.

Do you guys think Geno will be the next "impossible thing" rule to be broken in this image in the future? I can't wait, lol.

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Yes he would. He would also break the too obscure for smash rule.

So what I heard is that the Mii costumes is not connected to the Crash rumor right?

Yes sir and papa and sabi says the leak is likely to be real.

 

[CannonStreak]

He would most certainly be fired from his NoA position and more likely than not would face serious legal ramifications. If Sabi was threatened with legal action just for leaking E3 stuff you can be sure an official ambassador leaking stuff months in advance would really piss the higher ups at Nintendo off to the point that they'd really go after them.

Very well, I guess I have more respect for this guy now, though I must admit, I probably should have been mindful of this, since I did know about this, more or less, apparently.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes he would. He would also break the too obscure for smash rule.





Yes sir and papa and sabi says the leak is likely to be real.

Oh boy, I think the only thing what makes the costume part hold any weight is the part of Goeman and especially Team Rocket Grunt.

 

[QQS]

As long as I love other characters also (Skull Kid, Zero or Knuckles), I’m totally paid & done with Geno and I would retire from speculations and everything cause he is my top priority since ancient times and I would stop asking for anything more. Smash is already perfect but if they put Geno playable, omg thanks! That feeling of nostalgia + excitement would be priceless, playing as Him, his sounds, moves, music, etc.

Anyway, for me he is already IN, just my guess of course, but he is in!

As I said, I love Skull Kid and need another Zelda unique rep.; and I love Mega Man and that reveal was the best reveal up to date (for me. Banjo was epic also. No doubt that Geno will go the same way!

For me he is already in, only doubt if he will be #75 or the Seventh Star DLC (#76).

Also they will surprise us even more with more bonus DLC or Fighter Pass, so im pretty sure we are getting Geno + some other epic ones such as Crash.

To sum yo, even that I love Skull Kid or others, I can live if they don’t make it, cause I already have one of my favorite character ever (Mega Man); and with Geno there I would be 100% satisfied. My 2 third party picks in one game, majestic.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Oh boy, I think the only thing what makes the costume part hold any weight is the part of Goeman and especially Team Rocket Grunt.

Not only that but it came out before Hero. Sure, anyone could have guessed Zero and Protoman but there was no precedent for them to come with Banjo.

 

[Grumbo]

Yeah literally the last chance of a direct would be November, which usually is a game focused direct (last regular direct is always around september). I think best case scenario would be : direct with terry and 5th dlc reveal, then TGA has the teaser for the next character. Just hoping Nintendo follows that logic of managing surprise reveals… end the year with a bang, ya' know.

If we end up with a dedicated smash direct in November, we may see 2 reveals there and 1 at the VGAs, as fatman said could be possible

 

[SkeffVEVO]

So I took a break from speculation for a while (I have been lurking a bit and keeping up with PapaGenos' videos though) and I come back to all of this new info, this is interesting.

Plus, with a strong possibility of at least four post pass characters and two of them having a decent shot of being Geno and Crash, I think that's pretty great for the fanbase in a big picture. Yeah, I can't talk about everyone but, damn, I can confirm that two of the most wanted are being seriously talked about and I think that should be a sigh of relief for most.

I'm very glad that Geno is being seriously talked about and I can finally have some proper hope! Hopefully some of the other characters I want will also be in the position Geno's in (They are all highly requested characters too so at least one of them is bound to happen).

 

[Grumbo]

Not only that but it came out before Hero. Sure, anyone could have guessed Zero and Protoman but there was no precedent for them to come with Banjo.

I see everyone saying that Zero and Protoman could have been easy guesses but I think they may add more credibility than we realize. X and Megaman.exe were both costumes from smash four that have yet to come back. If he was just guessing I dont see why he’d only pick two of the megaman outfits. There’s also the two monster hunter outfits from capcom that he ommitted.

 

[CannonStreak]

While we are on the topic of leaks, it is a good thing that they are saying Geno has a strong chance of being in. Our boy might have a chance to be playable after all. Hopefully, we get some news on him soon.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Most Wanted by others from what I’ve seen:

-Geno
-Isaac
-Crash
-Rayman
-Doomguy
-Shantae
-Steve
-Sora

Hmmm...

edit: I forgot Sora. This is in no particular order, there’s a lot for each.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So I took a break from speculation for a while (I have been lurking a bit and keeping up with PapaGenos' videos though) and I come back to all of this new info, this is interesting.

I'm very glad that Geno is being seriously talked about and I can finally have some proper hope! Hopefully some of the other characters I want will also be in the position Geno's in (They are all highly requested characters too so at least one of them is bound to happen).

Which should honestly be the take away of all this, especially how the most "negative" position amongst credible insiders I've heard is that Geno's chances are 50%. Remember how everyone insisted Geno was toast when Hero gained traction back in January? Going from a chorus of people singing "ha ha, go **** yourself..." to maybe 2 people going "hmmm, it's probably a coin toss at worst" in 10 months is pretty satisfying.

 

[CannonStreak]

Which should honestly be the take away of all this, especially how the most "negative" position amongst credible insiders I've heard is that Geno's chances are 50%. Remember how everyone insisted Geno was toast when Hero gained traction back in January? Going from a chorus of people singing "ha ha, go **** yourself..." to maybe 2 people going "hmmm, it's probably a coin toss at worst" in 10 months is pretty satisfying.

There were people who said "Go **** yourself"? That is no good. How sad.

But anyway, on the 50 percent chance thing, I thought they'd rate Geno's chances lower than that, even though that shouldn't change Geno's chances now.

 

[Ovaltine]

Which should honestly be the take away of all this, especially how the most "negative" position amongst credible insiders I've heard is that Geno's chances are 50%. Remember how everyone insisted Geno was toast when Hero gained traction back in January? Going from a chorus of people singing "ha ha, go **** yourself..." to maybe 2 people going "hmmm, it's probably a coin toss at worst" in 10 months is pretty satisfying.

It is quite an improvement. At this point, I feel like I'd give Geno 70/30. Things look very good for him.

 

[CannonStreak]

It is quite an improvement. At this point, I feel like I'd give Geno 70/30. Things look very good for him.

I'd give his chances around the same, except more like 75/25. Man, I can't wait for more news!

 

[wynn728]

Again, some people are happy with this and some people know to take it as it is. This is a video game, where you're not entitled to anything in the first place and the costumes are mostly optional bonuses for those interested. Your annoyance with the costume is worth infinitely less than someone pleased with it. If we base our picks off of who gets annoyed with certain options, you'd never get anything. It's a compromise to give fans the chance to enjoy something, and some take that opportunity and others don't. It's fine to not be happy with how things turned out, but crusading against it and consistently discounting people who may actually like the "something" just makes you come off as a *******.

And I guarantee that everybody upset at the "something" would just complain as much about the "nothing," so we really don't get anywhere with that.

There's a few things wrong here.

First of all, you do know that when people are stating an opinion they don't need to classify that it's just their opinion that they're not talking for everyone, right? If I say something I don't need to state that it's just my view of things and that I'm not taking everyone else view into consideration because I'm stating my opinion.

Yes, it's a video game, but that doesn't mean we can't opinions that might constitute as being negative. We don't have to like everything that is in the game and we're allowed to not like stuff and aspect of the game. Complaining about Mii Costumes like Rex helps send a message that people like these types of Mii Costume so we can get better ones because these look absolutely terrible and doesn't fulfill the purpose that Sakurai think they do, make you "feel like" your playing as them. They look like ugly bootlegs, but I will go to the tallest mountain and sing praises for the Sans Mii Costume because it looks so freaking good. We need more costumes like Sans, who actually looks like the character, and less of these bootleg characters.

"Some people are happy with this" is quite literally one of the worse defense because it tries to silence & dismiss others opinion because it doesn't fit with what people want to hear. With "some people are happy with this" means that nothing in this world that is created is allowed to be disliked & criticized. "Don't like Batman vs Superman, well someone else like it so shut up because those people's comments mean so much more." This doesn't work, it's meaningless and just a quick way to make people suppress their opinions.

Now let's talk about this "entitlement" bullcrap. The whole "you're not entitled to anything" is also bullcrap because it doesn't negate the criticism that comes it's way. "You're not entitled to a good game, you're not entitled to a good movie, you're not entitled to anything so you should never complain about anything." Are we "entitled" to have a game with normal progression system? Of course not, but that doesn't mean people sit down and just accept what is given to them, because other wise you'll end up with more games like EA Battlefront 2. Are we "entitled" to have a Smash Bros game that doesn't feature tripping? No, Sakurai could totally patch that in since it's his game that he's developing, but if he does that then let's just say he's not "entitled" to our praises.

And lastly this whole "you should be happy with something," is actually pretty bad. The thing we got we're not happy with, but you're coming in and saying "you should be happy with that." NO WE DON'T. We don't like the thing we got, but we're being told that we should just be happy with it because it's "something." It only works like that for you because you don't honestly care about it. It's easy to say that when you got no investment in. But think of it like this, say some executive took a fiction series you love then made it into a movie and turns out to be super freaking bad in many ways, but someone comes up to you and say "you should be happy that they made that movie." Nobody needs to be happy with it and people are allowed to say that that rather not have that be a thing at all.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

This is easily the best time ever to be a Geno supporter. We’ve never been optimistic for this long in a speculation cycle with actual facts to back up why we should be feeling good.

This snowball of rumors and weird coincidences has been slowly picking up steam for a full year and at this point its like a full blown avalanche

 

[TheCJBrine]

I hope the victory theme loops.

Geno is in. I can almost taste it...

[insert Geno-shaped ice cream bar]

 

[CannonStreak]

I hope the victory theme loops.

Geno is in. I can almost taste it...

[insert Geno-shaped ice cream bar]

You mean this?

 

[Datboigeno]

This is easily the best time ever to be a Geno supporter. We’ve never been optimistic for this long in a speculation cycle with actual facts to back up why we should be feeling good.

This snowball of rumors and weird coincidences has been slowly picking up steam for a full year and at this point its like a full blown avalanche

It’s weird to think back to when the biggest things we had going for us were the SMRPG anniversary tweet, the Nintendo artist saying Geno had been discussed, Sabi’s NoA source, and the Nintendo sponsored HQ trivia question about SMRPG and Geno. Even when things looked grim it always seemed like something was still in the works for Geno behind the scenes. It’s pretty crazy to now have not only those random coincidences but seemingly legit leaks that point to more SMRPG representation. Just gotta keep that hope alive no matter what **** comes our way in the next few months/year/whatever.

 

[Grumbo]

Something neat I thought of is that if Ryu is #5 and #6 is someone like Crash or Lloyd or Doom, Geno would be DLC #7 (exempting piranha plant) and he’d be fighter #77.

 

[waterhasataste]

Geno is like a 80/20 for me. The fact that he's being talked by insiders and given a 50% at worse is starting to bring all the strange stuff like the music takedowns, Mario RPG references, missing costume, and more all together. All that stuff now is starting to look more like stronger evidence for Geno rather than just some stuff that's just out there if that makes sense

 

[CannonStreak]

Hey guys, just wondering: if Geno is somehow not any one of the future DLC characters for some reason, how will we all react?

 

[Sour Supreme]

No one heard about the Mii Costume leak and stopped to ask
HOW THE **** IS A MALLOW MII COSTUME GOING TO LOOK WTF?

 

[Luis27]

For me Geno is a 80/20

 

[Musubi]

No one heard about the Mii Costume leak and stopped to ask
HOW THE **** IS A MALLOW MII COSTUME GOING TO LOOK WTF?

I ask this question about 10 pages ago. MisterMike made great pixel art of what it could look like.

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Not the best artistry, but I think you'll get the picture.