Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MisterMike]

I'm happy that Geno has managed to stay relevant virtually this entire speculation cycle. He's one of those characters that hasn't gone away and that's pretty nice. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Geno being #7 would totally be a Sakurai move. If #6 isn't immediately after #5, my guess is that #6 will be a VGA reveal and #7 will be early to mid Spring.

So which day would you wager, March 9th or May 13th?

 

[valkiriforce]

I'm happy that Geno has managed to stay relevant virtually this entire speculation cycle. He's one of those characters that hasn't gone away and that's pretty nice. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Geno being #7 would totally be a Sakurai move. If #6 isn't immediately after #5, my guess is that #6 will be a VGA reveal and #7 will be early to mid Spring.

It's funny you say that because I was thinking Ryu and Crash being #5 and 6 would make sense leading into Geno being #7. One can only hope though.

 

[CannonStreak]

Frankly I hope he's working on a vid to clear the air that people polluted about what he said and that he can add more information about that.

Not to be rude, so don’t get offended, but you are fee to comment anyway at anytime. I just difn’t Ask you. Just saying.

I just want Papagenos to talk to the guy again and see what’s up.

 

[valkiriforce]

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

 

[MattX20]

I'm just gonna respond to everyone in one post here. First off I've seen a few people suggesting/saying this so to be clear:


The Crash leak/Mii costume person is NOT the person who told me about Banjo a year ago.


The Banjo person with the microsoft source has never leaked anything other than banjo to me. Though we do talk here and there and speculate (we talked before terrys reveal and were speculating on who DLC4 might be for instance). So yeah this Mii Costume List/Crash stuff is coming from a completely different place than the Banjo stuff, I'd have said it was the Banjo leaker if that were the case as it would add credibility for sure but it is not that person.

Right now I'm thinking Ryu Hayabusa is DLC5, im not ready to go 100% all in on any character for DLC5 though. Hyabusa is just who my CURRENT GUESS is, based on what I'm hearing.

That isn't to say the "Crash/Mii costume list" thing isnt legitimate info though, there just might be something odd going on...

First off The Mii Costume list seems legitimate to me and its basically impossible to guess goemon/rocket grunts, so that part is a solid leak imo. The mallow/smithy/chocobo stuff attached to it DO make me think geno is likely but I have nothing more to say on that other than speculating. The brew leak also has a "soft" geno leak somewhat attached to it, so geno seems to be slightly a part of both of these leaks, which is good news imo.

I've talked to Sabi about this and even with their NoA source saying "no tracer no crash", as far as im aware sabi is still totally on board with the "mii costume list" part of the leak being a legit real leak. Also sabi has suggested the "no crash" quote from their NoA source MIGHT just mean "no crash as the NEXT fighter" as in Crash isnt DLC5 not that Crash isnt happening at all. Saying "no" to a character kind of implies you would have to know every character we are getting and that seems impossible to know at this point.

Now as for the Crash part of the leak specifically, I can only go so far with that piece. I'll explain what i mean:

Leaks are a game of telephone. What I was told by this person was that "fighter 5 is crash" and that it was coming from the same IGN source of theirs that told them the Mii Costume list in July. HOWEVER I have no contact with the IGN source so if the IGN source has MULTIPLE sources of their own its possible "Crash" and the "Mii costume list" are actually coming from different places. I have no way of knowing if there is a split in the chain of communication after the IGN source, so while it seems from our perspective that the "crash" and "mii costume list" are coming from the same source (the IGN source) I do not know for sure if both those pieces of information actually ORIGINATE from the same source. again its a game of telephone and I can only see so far down the line.

heres a visual for what I mean:

MY SPECULATION:

Right now I have a bit of a theory for what I think MIGHT be happening. This is something that seems to KEEP happening with leakers; They get the order wrong.

Vergeben heard "Erdrick" and thought he'd be the first DLC revealed... instead we got joker.
I heard Banjo and the Grinch Leak had me thinking he would be in the base game. Instead he WAS in, but as DLC.
Iamshifty heard Ryu Hayabusa and said he was the NEXT fighter (DLC4). instead we got Terry BUT potentially Ryu Hayabusa is DLC5.

What MIGHT be happening with this crash thing is ONCE AGAIN someone is hearing a solid character leak and ASSUMING the order.

So IF crash is in fact ORIGINATING from the same source as the Mii Costume List info (and again I explained its possible they aren't I have no way of knowing where the IGN Source is hearing this stuff from) then I think Crash is probably happening but LATER down the line, while Hayabusa is likely DLC5. Thats just my current speculation here on all of this though, I do not know for sure who DLC5 is or any characters getting into Smash right now. Even though the "leak" I was told was specifically "fighter 5 is crash" I think that is potentially just an assumption of the order. It seems leakers KEEP ASSUMING the order when the only real info they actually have is a characters name. I'm basically guilty of doing this myself with the Grinch Leak and the Banjo info. Smash characters come from tons of different companies and very few people have the whole picture but hearing only one name causes them to assume that name must be happening imminently when that is not always the case.

That does clear quite a bit up. Let's just hope that things continue to point in Geno's favor

 

[EarlTamm]

I'm happy that Geno has managed to stay relevant virtually this entire speculation cycle. He's one of those characters that hasn't gone away and that's pretty nice. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Geno being #7 would totally be a Sakurai move. If #6 isn't immediately after #5, my guess is that #6 will be a VGA reveal and #7 will be early to mid Spring.

Man, that would be amazing. Who knows, maybe each character will match one of the stars in some way. That would be quite the meta move on the part of Sakurai.

 

[N3ON]

I'm just gonna respond to everyone in one post here. First off I've seen a few people suggesting/saying this so to be clear:


The Crash leak/Mii costume person is NOT the person who told me about Banjo a year ago.


The Banjo person with the microsoft source has never leaked anything other than banjo to me. Though we do talk here and there and speculate (we talked before terrys reveal and were speculating on who DLC4 might be for instance). So yeah this Mii Costume List/Crash stuff is coming from a completely different place than the Banjo stuff, I'd have said it was the Banjo leaker if that were the case as it would add credibility for sure but it is not that person.

Right now I'm thinking Ryu Hayabusa is DLC5, im not ready to go 100% all in on any character for DLC5 though. Hyabusa is just who my CURRENT GUESS is, based on what I'm hearing.

That isn't to say the "Crash/Mii costume list" thing isnt legitimate info though, there just might be something odd going on...

First off The Mii Costume list seems legitimate to me and its basically impossible to guess goemon/rocket grunts, so that part is a solid leak imo. The mallow/smithy/chocobo stuff attached to it DO make me think geno is likely but I have nothing more to say on that other than speculating. The brew leak also has a "soft" geno leak somewhat attached to it, so geno seems to be slightly a part of both of these leaks, which is good news imo.

I've talked to Sabi about this and even with their NoA source saying "no tracer no crash", as far as im aware sabi is still totally on board with the "mii costume list" part of the leak being a legit real leak. Also sabi has suggested the "no crash" quote from their NoA source MIGHT just mean "no crash as the NEXT fighter" as in Crash isnt DLC5 not that Crash isnt happening at all. Saying "no" to a character kind of implies you would have to know every character we are getting and that seems impossible to know at this point.

Now as for the Crash part of the leak specifically, I can only go so far with that piece. I'll explain what i mean:

Leaks are a game of telephone. What I was told by this person was that "fighter 5 is crash" and that it was coming from the same IGN source of theirs that told them the Mii Costume list in July. HOWEVER I have no contact with the IGN source so if the IGN source has MULTIPLE sources of their own its possible "Crash" and the "Mii costume list" are actually coming from different places. I have no way of knowing if there is a split in the chain of communication after the IGN source, so while it seems from our perspective that the "crash" and "mii costume list" are coming from the same source (the IGN source) I do not know for sure if both those pieces of information actually ORIGINATE from the same source. again its a game of telephone and I can only see so far down the line.

heres a visual for what I mean:

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MY SPECULATION:

Right now I have a bit of a theory for what I think MIGHT be happening. This is something that seems to KEEP happening with leakers; They get the order wrong.

Vergeben heard "Erdrick" and thought he'd be the first DLC revealed... instead we got joker.
I heard Banjo and the Grinch Leak had me thinking he would be in the base game. Instead he WAS in, but as DLC.
Iamshifty heard Ryu Hayabusa and said he was the NEXT fighter (DLC4). instead we got Terry BUT potentially Ryu Hayabusa is DLC5.

What MIGHT be happening with this crash thing is ONCE AGAIN someone is hearing a solid character leak and ASSUMING the order.

So IF crash is in fact ORIGINATING from the same source as the Mii Costume List info (and again I explained its possible they aren't I have no way of knowing where the IGN Source is hearing this stuff from) then I think Crash is probably happening but LATER down the line, while Hayabusa is likely DLC5. Thats just my current speculation here on all of this though, I do not know for sure who DLC5 is or any characters getting into Smash right now. Even though the "leak" I was told was specifically "fighter 5 is crash" I think that is potentially just an assumption of the order. It seems leakers KEEP ASSUMING the order when the only real info they actually have is a characters name. I'm basically guilty of doing this myself with the Grinch Leak and the Banjo info. Smash characters come from tons of different companies and very few people have the whole picture but hearing only one name causes them to assume that name must be happening imminently when that is not always the case.

Thanks for helping to illuminate some of the grey area that permeates through insider circles. People who only hear the final, public claims tend to think of these things as very black and white, so it's useful to outline just how many different factors there are, and how convoluted the chain often is.

 

[andree123]

Geno being #7 does make sense by having Porky being #8.

 

[Deleted member]

It's great when a content creator stops by to clear the air. Geno continues to have the best community.

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

Since I know there's absolutely no way he's going to become a fighter, Masked Man (Mother 3) might as well go ahead and become a costume. At least it can finally put my hopes for him in the ground. Croco, Booster, and Johnny Jones coming with Geno would be superb.

But if we're being totally honest, Mii Costumes are BS and Mii Fighters have stolen the dreams of too many people to really earnestly hope for anything for them.

 

[Grumbo]

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

I’m hoping we get a Mumbo costume one day, but I think that ship has sailed. I doubt Chrono Trigger will get in so any costumes would be nice to see, especially with music.

As for the datamined spirits, I still think they could be used to promote and eventual rare replay port.

 

[wynn728]

Seeing how some reliable leakers don't have all the info on the next wave of DLC makes me hope that the next wave of DLC has some first party characters. It's weird to think that we would get 11 third party characters and just 6 first party characters as new comers. Especially when you got characters like ARMS and Rex & Pyra who would be great for Smash Bros. I just hope that next wave of DLC was decided after November so they could've took all that backlash they got into consideration of choosing the DLC.

Honestly Ultimate has a really weird tone shift where it started out making so many dreams come true with the newcomers, stages, and improvement in game play that people have been asking for a great while (like turn off stage hazards and final smash meter) but then near the end of it all they just don't care about that anymore. Regardless it feels like I hit the nail on the head with how this DLC is barely going to take the Smash Ballot into consideration. Here's hoping they take a look at it again instead of shunning it off again.

 

[CannonStreak]

Speaking of leakers and the first wave of DLC, Fatmanonice , does the NoA ambassador guy know anything about the next DLC wave?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

It's great when a content creator stops by to clear the air. Geno continues to have the best community.



Since I know there's absolutely no way he's going to become a fighter, Masked Man (Mother 3) might as well go ahead and become a costume. At least it can finally put my hopes for him in the ground. Croco, Booster, and Johnny Jones coming with Geno would be superb.

But if we're being totally honest, Mii Costumes are BS and Mii Fighters have stolen the dreams of too many people to really earnestly hope for anything for them.

Like I've told Wynn for ages, your alternative to Mii costumes is nothing. I know people stand by that being better or whatever, but it's just a reality of these characters.

Seeing how some reliable leakers don't have all the info on the next wave of DLC makes me hope that the next wave of DLC has some first party characters. It's weird to think that we would get 11 third party characters and just 6 first party characters as new comers. Especially when you got characters like ARMS and Rex & Pyra who would be great for Smash Bros. I just hope that next wave of DLC was decided after November so they could've took all that backlash they got into consideration of choosing the DLC.

Honestly Ultimate has a really weird tone shift where it started out making so many dreams come true with the newcomers, stages, and improvement in game play that people have been asking for a great while (like turn off stage hazards and final smash meter) but then near the end of it all they just don't care about that anymore. Regardless it feels like I hit the nail on the head with how this DLC is barely going to take the Smash Ballot into consideration. Here's hoping they take a look at it again instead of shunning it off again.

They're making other peoples' dreams come true. The Ballot isn't the only thing to base every decision off of and I'll keep reiterating this point until it gets through to you.

 

[Deleted member]

Like I've told Wynn for ages, your alternative to Mii costumes is nothing. I know people stand by that being better or whatever, but it's just a reality of these characters.

If the general mood that most people get when their character get Mii Costumed or Assist Trophy'd ever since Brawl hasn't convinced you, I am not about to be the person to convince you that absolutely nothing is infinitely preferable.

 

[RingJ5]

The "hype" of characters reveals is entirely subjective for one, and I mean Terry is another major face of 90s fighting games and Ninja Gaiden is a super beloved NES action adventure title and modern 3D action title. They may be underwhelming for you, but they're not inherently underwhelming picks. This isn't even a case of people being more interested in say Incineroar than others when there were 9 other Pokemon already playable, these are characters from entirely unique franchises beloved by millions in their own right. It's really hard to have a "consistent" third party line-up of characters that can satisfy everybody's expectations. They were all made to appeal to all kinds of different fans and bring in said classic and modern franchises. For some people, those first three weren't exciting at all and a Terry and Ryu are the most exciting reveals of the season. When you have new franchises, I find it really hard to say that the reveals are front loaded. The demographics of Joker to Hero, Hero to Banjo & Kazooie, Banjo & Kazooie to Terry, Terry to Ryu Hayabusa (theoretically), and everything in between are just absolutely all over the place.

Besides, it makes more sense to entice players to buy the DLC early through the Fighter's Pass than later on. Most people have generally decided on the pass by now, so a 5th character is unlikely to sway many people at this point.


Unrelated to you. My wager is that we'll see Ryu Hayabusa as the final of the Fighter's Pass, and Geno and Crash Bandicoot as post pass fighters. They all make sense and appeal to different groups, and are major characters in their own right. I find it hard to believe that Crash especially would go overlooked at this point with his current renaissance as a character and the only legitimate knock against him being the whole "belongs to Activision" factor. If people made exceptions for Sugiyama and Dragon Quest, I'm sure they'd make the exception for Activision and Crash TBH (I mean, Smash licensing and profits have to be pennies compared to how much Activision makes everywhere else anyway).

I feel like if we get Crash then people will want Spyro, then people will want Bomberman and then it'll never ****ing end; that's the blessing and curse of Smash.


I think every character has about an equal amount of people who care/don't care/are neutral about them. People got hyped over a generic Mario enemy that was probably made to piss people off.

The problem with the whole “every character is intended for a different demographic and has an equal amount of people who care/don’t care about them” thing is... well, look at Terry’s reveal. His announcement was practically dwarfed in size by the fervor over a seventy-five cent costume of a skeleton, when if everything was equal he’d garner a similar reaction to the other DLCs. I personally expect Ryu to go a similar way.

You can argue that they’re intended for different groups, but if the first three groups all end up larger than the last two by a noticeable amount, then you could still certainly say that the end was underwhelming in comparison to the beginning.

 

[N3ON]

If the general mood that most people get when their character get Mii Costumed or Assist Trophy'd ever since Brawl hasn't convinced you, I am not about to be the person to convince you that absolutely nothing is infinitely preferable.

Ask the Isaac thread if they preferred his representation in Brawl or 4.

 

[ivanlerma]

This whole leak scenario with Crash reminds me of the Dante Leak way back. There was a guy on 4chan who seemed to have leaked a lot of legit stuff for Devil May Cry V after E3 and then said that he saw Dante's reveal trailer for Smash Bros. That also goes to show that sometime people with legit info will screw with other by showing fake info. For all we know the guy who leaked those Mii Costumes might've BSed when it came to Mallow & Smithy Mii Costume seeing how they were a troll when it comes to Sabi.

I think it's always best to take every single leak with a grain of salt and not getting way too deep into it where you think everything is confirmed... but I will say that Eggman Nega is going to be one of the DLC Fighters. Get hype!View attachment 242817

is Eggman Nega going to be a playable character in a DLC of Mario & Sonic?

 

[waterhasataste]

Technically, if Geno was revealed after the 5th fighters pass character (which is pretty much Ryu it seems) he would be the 7th DLC fighter because Piranha Plant was kind of the first one

 

[Deleted member]

Ask the Isaac thread if they preferred his representation in Brawl or 4.

As an Isaac fan, I preferred him not being there. At least I could spend the entirety of Smash 4's DLC wondering if he'd show up. Granted, there's something to be said for the closure that comes with solid deconfirmation.

 

[wynn728]

is Eggman Nega going to be a playable character in a DLC of Mario & Sonic?

He's playable for the Karate section, because he if he competed in any other sports then the game would break in half due to how strong & overpowered he is.

 

[Deleted member]

Tbf, I find Mii costumes such as the ones Sans or Skull Kid got really awesome, since they really feel fun to play with and actually resemble the characters they are meant to be good enough.

Doh since the possibility does really exist right now, we should still try to keep hoping for characters such as Geno to be fighters as long as we can.

 

[Captain Fun]

Tbf, I find Mii costumes such as the ones Sans or Skull Kid got really awesome, since they really feel fun to play with and actually resemble the characters they are meant to be good enough.

I can agree with this. It’s not the best fit, and it doesn’t feel like playing as him, but I got the Black Knight Mii costume just to put it on a sword fighter.

Spoiler

Amazing avatar by the way.

 

[Deleted member]

I can agree with this. It’s not the best fit, and it doesn’t feel like playing as him, but I got the Black Knight Mii costume just to put it on a sword fighter.

Spoiler

Amazing avatar by the way.

Thanks!

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Everybody forgets poor Piranha Plant is DLC #1, so if anything, Ryu is #6, Crash would be #7, and Geno would be #8.

 

[Ovaltine]

Tbf, I find Mii costumes such as the ones Sans or Skull Kid got really awesome, since they really feel fun to play with and actually resemble the characters they are meant to be good enough.

Doh since the possibility does really exist right now, we should still try to keep hoping for characters such as Geno to be fighters as long as we can.

Yeah uh your avatar is absolutely stellar and made my day

Also, I LOVE the Skull Kid Mii costume. I adore Majora's Mask and, while I would have liked SK as a fighter, I feel the costume is just as good. It's an example of representation done right. It actually feels like I'm playing Skull Kid, especially if I attach the spirit. I have a maxed Skull Kid & Majora's Mask spirit that I just... ugh, I love it and the costume so much. THAT is how you freaking do it!

ETA: I believe if Ryu, Geno, and Crash are getting in, btw, I feel Geno would proceed after Ryu, and Crash would be quite a bit more down the line. I dunno, I just have this feeling in my bones that Geno, if he's in (which I'm feeling quite confident in at this point), is coming sooner rather than later.

 

[catsforlife1]

Thanks!

your pfp reminds me of this

 

[owjies]

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

If Crash does make it in down the road, I hope he also comes with a Mii Costume of himself to reference the cheesy 90's commercials:

Spoiler: Crash Costume

 

[catsforlife1]

If Crash does make it in down the road, I hope he also comes with a Mii Costume of himself to reference the cheesy 90's commercials:

Spoiler: Crash Costume

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OMG THAT WOULD BE AMAZING

 

[wynn728]

Ask the Isaac thread if they preferred his representation in Brawl or 4.

I remember a lot of people being extremely upset when Isaac showed up as an Assist Trophy in Ultimate. If the first reaction of a news is extremely negative then they didn't do their job right.

Sometimes nothing is better than something.

 

[MisterMike]

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

I don't typically care about Mii Fighter costumes, but I think Din from The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons would work as a Mii Swordfighter costume. She'd use the Rod of Seasons as the sword.

 

[papagenos]

Papa Geno’s, can you ya talking to the Crash/Mini costume leaker if you think there is something odd going on with what he said, see what’s up with the situation?

I have talked to them today, sabi has now talked to them as well. All the theories and stuff in my big post earlier is where we are at with this stuff. theres not really anything new its just: leakers might just keep assuming the order of the fighters when all they really have is a name, the IGN source might have multiple sources so the "mii costume list" and "crash" leaks COULD potentially be originating from different places.

its all just theories for what might be happening here, until we hear something new.

in summary: Mii Costume List was likely a real leak. Hayabusa is the most likely DLC 5 character going off of what we know right now. The Crash leak has some unknown factors to it that make it a little shakier but if it is in fact coming from the same original source as the Mii Costume List then Crash could be happening but I'd guess later down the line. Thats all just speculation though.

 

[AdamBel731]

Honestly Ultimate has a really weird tone shift where it started out making so many dreams come true with the newcomers, stages, and improvement in game play that people have been asking for a great while (like turn off stage hazards and final smash meter) but then near the end of it all they just don't care about that anymore. Regardless it feels like I hit the nail on the head with how this DLC is barely going to take the Smash Ballot into consideration. Here's hoping they take a look at it again instead of shunning it off again.

Just because the choices don't appeal to you, doesn't mean they stopped caring. But I don't desire to get into an argument about this concept of Sakurai and his team not caring about stuff again. It's always the same thing...

Tbf, I find Mii costumes such as the ones Sans or Skull Kid got really awesome, since they really feel fun to play with and actually resemble the characters they are meant to be good enough.

Doh since the possibility does really exist right now, we should still try to keep hoping for characters such as Geno to be fighters as long as we can.

Someone not taking Mii Fighter costumes personally?! Honestly, that's a breath of fresh air. It gets really irritating hearing people bemoan about them constantly... with the same people complaining nonetheless.

 

[CannonStreak]

I have talked to them today, sabi has now talked to them as well. All the theories and stuff in my big post earlier is where we are at with this stuff. theres not really anything new its just: leakers might just keep assuming the order of the fighters when all they really have is a name, the IGN source might have multiple sources so the "mii costume list" and "crash" leaks COULD potentially be originating from different places.

its all just theories for what might be happening here, until we hear something new.

in summary: Mii Costume List was likely a real leak. Hayabusa is the most likely DLC 5 character going off of what we know right now. The Crash leak has some unknown factors to it that make it a little shakier but if it is in fact coming from the same original source as the Mii Costume List then Crash could be happening but I'd guess later down the line. Thats all just speculation though.

Well, about those unknown factors, I do hope you and Sabi somehow find out about them and what is going on with Crash sometime soon.

 

[xpnc]

We are going to collectively will Geno into this game by this time 2020 mark my words

 

[Deleted member]

On the subject of additional Mii costumes, are there any really out there costumes any of you would like to see? Back when we were thinking about the possibility of getting Microsoft costumes I was really hoping for something like a pair of Jet Force Gemini costumes for Juno and Vela after hearing about the names of Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps being found in Ultimate's code (still don't really know what that was about). I would have flipped had that been announced.

Captain Syrup from the Wario Land franchise likely won't be her own character in Ultimate, but a Mii costume of her can still happen. Well, at least I think so anyway. I'd like that because it give us more Wario Land stuff in Smash, which it's very lacking in.

I want it to have an arrangement of a Wario Land song too (like how Sans was handled). I even wrote a letter about it and sent it to NoA sometime a month ago.

Give me my Wario Land

 

[Fatmanonice]

Speaking of leakers and the first wave of DLC, Fatmanonice , does the NoA ambassador guy know anything about the next DLC wave?

Can't answer that but I will say that on my end that, aside from Geno, Ryu, and Crash (E3 or later in my opinion), there's probably about 4 others that have a decent shot based on who has said what, which is honestly a relief because it points to the next round not being as predictable as people originally envisioned.

 

[CannonStreak]

Can't answer that but I will say that on my end that, aside from Geno, Ryu, and Crash (E3 or later in my opinion), there's probably about 4 others that have a decent shot based on who has said what, which is honestly a relief because it points to the next round not being as predictable as people originally envisioned.

Is there a reason why you can't answer that, or if not told, do you have a guess as to why? Just curious, that is all.

 

[Deleted member]

If Crash does make it in down the road, I hope he also comes with a Mii Costume of himself to reference the cheesy 90's commercials:

Spoiler: Crash Costume

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HEY PLUMBER BOY, MUSTACHED MAN, YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE HAS ARRIVED

 

[EricTheGamerman]

If the general mood that most people get when their character get Mii Costumed or Assist Trophy'd ever since Brawl hasn't convinced you, I am not about to be the person to convince you that absolutely nothing is infinitely preferable.

The entirety of "nothing" being better predates itself on the idea that you can have an infinite longing that results in nothing as opposed to something with a definitive answer. At least those characters are still getting acknowledged in some capacity, at least we have cool characters in other places in the game. I think it's peak foolishness to pretend like the "nothing" scenario is better. People would just complain until the end of time that the character was nowhere to be seen. It doesn't solve anything and just makes the situation worse since there are people who are genuinely happy to see them as Mii costumes or Assist Trophies.

Isaac doesn't magically get in just because he isn't an Assist Trophy, nor does any other character in a similar position. Sakurai and Nintendo made a call, and if they're going to reverse that decision, they'll do it regardless of the assist trophy, spirit, or costume at this point.

 

[AdamBel731]

The entirety of "nothing" being better predates itself on the idea that you can have an infinite longing that results in nothing as opposed to something with a definitive answer. At least those characters are still getting acknowledged in some capacity, at least we have cool characters in other places in the game. I think it's peak foolishness to pretend like the "nothing" scenario is better. People would just complain until the end of time that the character was nowhere to be seen. It doesn't solve anything and just makes the situation worse since there are people who are genuinely happy to see them as Mii costumes or Assist Trophies.

Isaac doesn't magically get in just because he isn't an Assist Trophy, nor does any other character in a similar position. Sakurai and Nintendo made a call, and if they're going to reverse that decision, they'll do it regardless of the assist trophy, spirit, or costume at this point.

Some people (not even Serenade01) don't get this concept, my guy. That Sakurai doesn't pick a character as an Assist Trophy and/or Mii Costume to say they suck or were replaced. People take things personally for some foolish reason and no matter what you say to them, they'll still take it personally. So yeah, that's fun.