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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Is there a reason why you can't answer that, or if not told, do you have a guess as to why? Just curious, that is all.
I was explicitly told not to share anything specific said by the NoA rep unless he or Sabi approved it. Chimed in recently to clarify comments made about Tracer and Crash and to back up that they were real but that's about the extent I can do regarding the NoA rep. Too many problems came out with Banjo and "the Bird" so I'm trying to be more careful now that I'm back from my hiatus.
 

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He's playable for the Karate section, because he if he competed in any other sports then the game would break in half due to how strong & overpowered he is.
well i was hoping he'd be playable in other events, it stinks that after years they still didn't have new characters for the series or even have them available in other events.
 

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I was explicitly told not to share anything specific said by the NoA rep unless he or Sabi approved it. Chimed in recently to clarify comments made about Tracer and Crash and to back up that they were real but that's about the extent I can do regarding the NoA rep. Too many problems came out with Banjo and "the Bird" so I'm trying to be more careful now that I'm back from my hiatus.
Understandable. Are you not able to give us any more hints? Like a microscopic breadcrumb? Maybe the size of Ridley, King K. Rool, as well as Banjo & Kazooie's chances of getting into Smash? Heh heh...

(Oh wait...)
 

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I have talked to them today, sabi has now talked to them as well. All the theories and stuff in my big post earlier is where we are at with this stuff. theres not really anything new its just: leakers might just keep assuming the order of the fighters when all they really have is a name, the IGN source might have multiple sources so the "mii costume list" and "crash" leaks COULD potentially be originating from different places.

its all just theories for what might be happening here, until we hear something new.

in summary: Mii Costume List was likely a real leak. Hayabusa is the most likely DLC 5 character going off of what we know right now. The Crash leak has some unknown factors to it that make it a little shakier but if it is in fact coming from the same original source as the Mii Costume List then Crash could be happening but I'd guess later down the line. Thats all just speculation though.
Just out of curiosity, can you speak to the credibility of the IGN source parsing through these leaks and what you know about their judgment on information that comes their way? I feel like that might help people trying to sort through what has become a more confusing situation than it was at first glance.
 

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You know, I have been thinking about this NoA ambassador guy, I really don't think he should be doing these hints or telling these things about who is in and who isn't? Now, it is not because I am jealous and want to know, but it just adds confusion and maybe controversy. Like saying no Crash or Tracer, for instance. No need for a hero to tell us things like that, but I think it would have been better if we found out whether the other leaker is right or wrong ourselves, and not have fuel added to the fire while speculating.
 
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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , thanks for the insight. We understand that there are limits, especially after last time. Now we just wait around and speculate who the Seven Stars of Smash Bros Speculation are.
We know:
Geno
Ryu
Crash
???
???
???
???

Who else could be floating in that void...? :4pacman:
 
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Hoooooo boy so far this day has been good. Not only did fatman come back but with papas post it give me more hope for the mii leak being real.
 

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Understandable. Are you not able to give us any more hints? Like a microscopic breadcrumb? Maybe the size of Ridley, King K. Rool, as well as Banjo & Kazooie's chances of getting into Smash? Heh heh...

(Oh wait...)
I think anyone would not want to risk giving even a little bit. Tiny hinting only begets more.
 

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The entirety of "nothing" being better predates itself on the idea that you can have an infinite longing that results in nothing as opposed to something with a definitive answer. At least those characters are still getting acknowledged in some capacity, at least we have cool characters in other places in the game. I think it's peak foolishness to pretend like the "nothing" scenario is better. People would just complain until the end of time that the character was nowhere to be seen. It doesn't solve anything and just makes the situation worse since there are people who are genuinely happy to see them as Mii costumes or Assist Trophies.

Isaac doesn't magically get in just because he isn't an Assist Trophy, nor does any other character in a similar position. Sakurai and Nintendo made a call, and if they're going to reverse that decision, they'll do it regardless of the assist trophy, spirit, or costume at this point.
When you get something as ugly as this then nothing would've been better
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Also here's the thing, sometimes nothing is better than something because the something we got just annoys us.
 

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As an Isaac fan, I preferred him not being there. At least I could spend the entirety of Smash 4's DLC wondering if he'd show up. Granted, there's something to be said for the closure that comes with solid deconfirmation.
When my little brother was a kid, he asked for the red Power Ranger for xmas. The red one was his favourite. From when he first made his list, to xmas day, he was hoping for that toy. Then when we were opening our presents, he got a Power Ranger. But it wasn't the red one. I think it was the green one (I can't remember, the point was it wasn't red). He started crying, and threw the present across the room, still in its packaging. He didn't want to play with it. It was a Power Ranger, but it wasn't the exact one he wanted. So he threw it away. Incidentally, he was five or six.

Is that the level on which we want to pride ourselves on operating? An inability to take disappointment in stride to the point we need to purge the thing from existence? I understand things not panning out as desired, believe me, but all the "nothing over something" approach is indicative of is a very low tolerance to not getting things your way. It's not exactly an image of fortitude.

I remember a lot of people being extremely upset when Isaac showed up as an Assist Trophy in Ultimate. If the first reaction of a news is extremely negative then they didn't do their job right.

Sometimes nothing is better than something.
You're right, they should consider first impressions more. We could've been spared Ryu and Cloud that way.

Or maybe the brief emotional reflex is something to value less than the more enduring reception.
 

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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice Not to be rude, for I can accept that you can't say anything, but if you're not allowed to say anything, why not say nothing at all (at least in regards to the things you can't say)?
Because going totally mum makes people freak out for some reason and go into hyper harassment mode and, if we don't answer, they just start bugging our contacts. For example, when I tried to go totally quiet last time, people just started to bug Sabi instead. It's a Catch 22.
 

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Because going totally mum makes people freak out for some reason and go into hyper harassment mode and, if we don't answer, they just start bugging our contacts. For example, when I tried to go totally quiet last time, people just started to bug Sabi instead. It's a Catch 22.
Yes I'm sure Sabi hates the attention.
 

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Because going totally mum makes people freak out for some reason and go into hyper harassment mode and, if we don't answer, they just start bugging our contacts. For example, when I tried to go totally quiet last time, people just started to bug Sabi instead. It's a Catch 22.
Odd. Saying nothing should be a way to get people to know that they are not allowed to say anything on a matter. I mean, it can work.
 

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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice Not to be rude, for I can accept that you can't say anything, but if you're not allowed to say anything, why not say nothing at all (at least in regards to the things you can't say)?
>ask someone question
>they say the cannot give full information but answer it with what information they can give
>question why they even gave you an answer

L M A O and people were asking only a day or so ago why fatman didn’t come back for awhile. It really is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation for him here. People are going to badger him for insider information he’s said he can’t completely give and then get pissy when he doesn’t tell you the things he was explicitly told by others not to discuss. Like really you guys should take a step back and read your posts sometimes.
 
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I was explicitly told not to share anything specific said by the NoA rep unless he or Sabi approved it. Chimed in recently to clarify comments made about Tracer and Crash and to back up that they were real but that's about the extent I can do regarding the NoA rep. Too many problems came out with Banjo and "the Bird" so I'm trying to be more careful now that I'm back from my hiatus.
Can you tell us if the rest of the DLC characters seems to be all third party again?
 

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It works well on paper, but when you add the human factor, that strat kinda falls apart.
You gotta keep in mind that saying things doesn't quell the noise either. So you're really not tempering the fire by addressing it.

That's the real catch-22, but it's an unavoidable aspect of taking the role of an insider.

...unless you just log off. But that would be preposterous. ;P
 

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>ask someone question
>they say the cannot give full information but answer it with what information they can give
>question why they even gave you an answer

L M A O and people were asking only a day or so ago why fatman didn’t come back for awhile. It really is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation for him here. People are going to badger him for insider information he’s said he can’t completely give and then get pissy when he doesn’t tell you the things he was explicitly told by others not to discuss.
Ugh! I was just making a little suggestion! I wasn't truly questioning anything. Plus, I don't think this insider thing is necessary, as speculating on what we don't know is enough. You know, good things happen to those who wait? That stuff.

I was going to PM you an idea of mine, but now you can forget it, not that you'd care anyway.
 

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When you get something as ugly as this then nothing would've been better

Also here's the thing, sometimes nothing is better than something because the something we got just annoys us.
Again, some people are happy with this and some people know to take it as it is. This is a video game, where you're not entitled to anything in the first place and the costumes are mostly optional bonuses for those interested. Your annoyance with the costume is worth infinitely less than someone pleased with it. If we base our picks off of who gets annoyed with certain options, you'd never get anything. It's a compromise to give fans the chance to enjoy something, and some take that opportunity and others don't. It's fine to not be happy with how things turned out, but crusading against it and consistently discounting people who may actually like the "something" just makes you come off as a jackass.

And I guarantee that everybody upset at the "something" would just complain as much about the "nothing," so we really don't get anywhere with that.
 

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You gotta keep in mind that saying things doesn't quell the noise either. So you're really not tempering the fire by addressing it.

That's the real catch-22, but it's an unavoidable aspect of taking the role of an insider.

...unless you just log off. But that would be preposterous. ;P
Yeah, that is also true. You just really have to pick an option and hope it causes the least amount of chaos.

As for logging off, I think we all sold off that ability long, long ago.
 

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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , thanks for the insight. We understand that there are limits, especially after last time. Now we just wait around and speculate who the Seven Stars of Smash Bros Speculation are.
We know:
Geno
Ryu
Crash
???
???
???
???

Who else could be floating in that void...? :4pacman:
I would say Lloyd, Doomguy, and Capcom seem to be viable options. Lloyd for a variety of small hints, Doomguy for the Bethesda conference and his longtime speculation, and Capcom because they have a wealth of viable characters and only got an echo. Fourth slot could be one from a current company or it could be a total curve ball. The rest seem pretty likely imo.
 
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Well, I suppose you are right, but maybe a heads up before doing that could work or posting that will happen as a rule, or would, you know, it still happen?
Not everyone would see it, sadly, and that is especially the case in threads as big as this one.
 
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>ask someone question
>they say the cannot give full information but answer it with what information they can give
>question why they even gave you an answer

L M A O and people were asking only a day or so ago why fatman didn’t come back for awhile. It really is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation for him here. People are going to badger him for insider information he’s said he can’t completely give and then get pissy when he doesn’t tell you the things he was explicitly told by others not to discuss. Like really you guys should take a step back and read your posts sometimes.
I still stand by the notion if you know you can't tell someone information, you shouldn't dangle the proverbial carrot on the stick in front of them. That's my whole problem with anybody with insider information saying "They know something" or framing the idea that they know more than they're letting on. It just creates issues when you could just say "I don't know anything about that" in response to such questions or just not come forward with the "I know information, but I can't say" aspect of things. There's a way to handle not being able to tell people information (I'm not accusing Fatman of it right now, but just in general).
 

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Yeah, that is also true. You just really have to pick an option and hope it causes the least amount of chaos.
To that end, I don't believe the method of addressing the madness curbs it. With Smash, it's obvious that the more you give, the more they want. And I don't think ignoring it will make it go away in the short term, but after a while it will trail off.

Like, I bet Vergeben still gets messaged, but far less frequently than when he was actively speaking about Smash. Just slipping into the background will eventually lead to a diminished inbox.

Of course, I don't think that's actually what Sabi nor any of her crew want.

As for logging off, I think we all sold off that ability long, long ago.
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Ugh! I was just making a little suggestion! I wasn't truly questioning anything. Plus, I don't think this insider thing is necessary, as speculating on what we don't know is enough. You know, good things happen to those who wait? That stuff.

I was going to PM you an idea of mine, but now you can forget it, not that you'd care anyway.
As you can see people do think that insider thing is necessary/interesting especially because it does pertain to the topic of the thread. Speculating about what we don't know just sends us into circles where we go over what costumes Geno will have, what music will be in, what desert Geno would most like to eat, etc. that we've done for the better part of a year now. There's a good reason why there's way more activity now than there was a week ago. If you don't like leak that's ok, but it's possible to be more understanding when it comes to someone not being able to divulge 100% of what they know for completely understandable reasons.

I still stand by the notion if you know you can't tell someone information, you shouldn't dangle the proverbial carrot on the stick in front of them. That's my whole problem with anybody with insider information saying "They know something" or framing the idea that they know more than they're letting on. It just creates issues when you could just say "I don't know anything about that" in response to such questions or just not come forward with the "I know information, but I can't say" aspect of things. There's a way to handle not being able to tell people information (I'm not accusing Fatman of it right now, but just in general).
That's fine if that's your feeling about the stuff but there are those of us who are perfectly fine with not getting 100% of something. No carrots are really being dangled. Just that there are certain things that are being talked about. No issues really need to be created if people can accept the fact that they don't need to know absolutely everything other people know. For example people can enjoy the fact that there already several characters being rumored behind the scenes and we can speculate who they are. Is that not fodder for relevant discussion in this specific thread? You just have to not feel entitled to know everything about a subject especially if people's jobs are on the line. There's literally nothing wrong with how Fatman is handling things. People are genuinely just too impatient for their own good lol
 
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Odd. Saying nothing should be a way to get people to know that they are not allowed to say anything on a matter. I mean, it can work.
You all are cool and respect it when I say this but a lot of people have no chill and decide it's a game of "maybe if we bug them enough they'll crack" and that's why we're all kind of burned out on Smash speculation. I honestly just came back to find myself tagged in recent posts because I didn't even know the Crash and Tracer thing was made public when I logged in. I was just bored at work, honestly.
 

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ETA: I believe if Ryu, Geno, and Crash are getting in, btw, I feel Geno would proceed after Ryu, and Crash would be quite a bit more down the line. I dunno, I just have this feeling in my bones that Geno, if he's in (which I'm feeling quite confident in at this point), is coming sooner rather than later.
He's definitely coming soon if the Mii Costume leak is legit (which does seem likely). I don't see how someone gets a list of Mii Costumes with half of them coming 2 months later and another like 8 months later. The fact they were grouped together likely means that they're around the same level of production and the gap between the ones revealed and the ones that haven't can't be too far apart in terms of reveals
 

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As you can see people do think that insider thing is necessary/interesting especially because it does pertain to the topic of the thread. Speculating about what we don't know just sends us into circles where we go over what costumes Geno will have, what music will be in, what desert Geno would most like to eat, etc. that we've done for the better part of a year now. There's a good reason why there's way ore activity now than there was a week ago. If you don't like leak that's ok, but it's possible to be more understanding when it comes to someone not being able to divulge 100% of what they know for completely understandable reasons.
Oh, I am understanding, alright. You just can't see it on the computer screen you have. I wasn't trying to jab at anyone for that matter. I just was, as I said, making a suggestion I thought would work. Plus, I don't think having some people know all the details while others don't at a sooner time is that fair, and I don't think it is necessary at all. Either way, I am not the sore loser you think I am, or even half of it. You just don't seem to understand. I am sure companies could provide hints to what's next if they wanted to themselves, and things would not be boring. There is more than one way to add to speculation.

You all are cool and respect it when I say this but a lot of people have no chill and decide it's a game of "maybe if we bug them enough they'll crack" and that's why we're all kind of burned out on Smash speculation. I honestly just came back to find myself tagged in recent posts because I didn't even know the Crash and Tracer thing was made public when I logged in. I was just bored at work, honestly.
Yeah, I understand the no chill part. It is a shame that people aren't patient enough to not bug others about things. Otherwise, all this extra chaos towards companies and insiders would be less existent. Less and not non-existent because there can be no non-existence of something truly. But I do think all of us are burned out about this, right?
 

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Hey guys, I've taken a bit of a break from smash speculation. Has there been any other leaks or credible people recently or are we still playing a waiting game?
 

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Hey guys, I've taken a bit of a break from smash speculation. Has there been any other leaks or credible people recently or are we still playing a waiting game?
Let's see, Crash and a Mallow/Smithy costume coming, the NoA guys saying Crash isn't coming soon. Ninja Gaiden's Ryu H. and all that stuff is what you probably missed.
 

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Oh, I am understanding, alright. You just can't see it on the computer screen you have. I wasn't trying to jab at anyone for that matter. I just was, as I said, making a suggestion I thought would work. Plus, I don't think having some people know all the details while others don't at a sooner time is that fair, and I don't think it is necessary at all. Either way, I am not the sore loser you think I am, or even half of it. You just don't seem to understand. I am sure companies could provide hints to what's next if they wanted to themselves, and things would not be boring. There is more than one way to add to speculation.
I really hope someone let's Sabi and everyone else in that private discord group know that you don't think them sharing information is fair or necessary. There's not really that much to understand. You think people shouldn't share things unless they can share them 100% and I understand that things aren't that black and white and literal jobs are on the line when it comes to this stuff. So I am satisfied with knowing other characters than Geno, Ryu, and Crash are being discussed. I'm not tearing my hair out not knowing who they are because it's not that big of a deal lol
 

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I really hope someone let's Sabi and everyone else in that private discord group know that you don't think them sharing information is fair or necessary. There's not really that much to understand. You think people shouldn't share things unless they can share them 100% and I understand that things aren't that black and white and literal jobs are on the line when it comes to this stuff. So I am satisfied with knowing other characters than Geno, Ryu, and Crash are being discussed. I'm not tearing my hair out not knowing who they are because it's not that big of a deal lol
Once again, you are making assumptions on what I think. I never especially said they should share 100 percent of what they know. You really could use some knowing on how I work. I personally don't care how much information they give to others. I do understand why they don't share all the information to begin with. And I did say there are other ways to add too speculation aside from being an insider. It's not hard to understand. I don't care if they get more attention than I do, I just don't think companies should let certain people get the information like that while others don't so early. I know, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I am not the person you think I am being.
 

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Honestly, after the bandage is ripped off with Geno (whether he's in or not), I'll find every character onward would just be a cherry on top for me. B-K was my ultimate dream pick and Geno is my ultimate 'likely' pick. If Geno makes it, this really will be the end of a Smash era for me, because all of my most wanteds are in or represented in an ample way (Shadow). I literally would not be able to ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

I'll just kick back and be excited, happy, or at worst, mildly blasé with whatever we get from there.

... and I'll also be screaming about Geno a lot if he's in. Expect many screenshots and much gushing over how adorable he is.
 

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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , thanks for the insight. We understand that there are limits, especially after last time. Now we just wait around and speculate who the Seven Stars of Smash Bros Speculation are.
We know:
Geno
Ryu
Crash
???
???
???
???

Who else could be floating in that void...? :4pacman:
Uhmmmm...

My one and only main dude!

SGT. CORTEZ!!!

No? Okay...
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Other than that, I got nothing.
 

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Honestly, after the bandage is ripped off with Geno (whether he's in or not), I'll find every character onward would just be a cherry on top for me. B-K was my ultimate dream pick and Geno is my ultimate 'likely' pick. If Geno makes it, this really will be the end of a Smash era for me, because all of my most wanteds are in or represented in an ample way (Shadow). I literally would not be able to ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

I'll just kick back and be excited, happy, or at worst, mildly blasé with whatever we get from there.

... and I'll also be screaming about Geno a lot if he's in. Expect many screenshots and much gushing over how adorable he is.
Same here. Once Geno’s in the only character I’ll actively be rooting for is Lloyd (assists aside) and even if he doesnt make it that wont put much of a damper on things. One day we’ll all get to rest and watch the sun rise on a greatful fandom (mostly greatful lol)
 
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