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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Firox

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Ah, yes. Regrettably the only Star Fox I never played...besides Star Fox Zero, but the wonky controls on that one were a hard turn-off for me. Gotta say, it makes me like Wolf even more that he isn't such a one-note character when it comes to dealing with Fox. In the face of a common enemy, he doesn't mind putting aside their differences to kick some butt.
 

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Getting sick on the day me and my wife planned to go to the movies, just my type of luck...

Least it happened on my day off so I don’t miss work as well.
 
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Datboigeno Datboigeno I love what you did with the Skullomania comparison. Obviously there are some differences, but it's a very similar situation.

While I wasn't physically at EVO, I've watched nearly every EVO I think for like 5+ years. Seeing Skullomania was so ****ing hype, like OMG~!

Now that I think about it...this year's EVO was weak as hell in comparison to last years. Last year has BBTag reveal and then showing RWBY was in the game, Juubei reveal for Central Fiction, EX Fighting Layer reveal, Trunks reveal for FighterZ...like damn, it was hype for both announcements and the matches. I feel like this year was only hype about the matches (and only for certain games, as MK11's hype felt super forced and should have revealed Spawn but had nothing). Soul Calibur reveal was alright, but the hype was ruined by the poor presentation and we all knew Cassandra was coming. Tekken's was awesome as we got their own version of Ip Man and I'm hyped about that.

FighterZ turned out to be better than I thought, as Super Janemba actually looks cool and has unique mechanics and SSB Gogeta looks like they are really going all out for him! SFV's leak was pretty meh but the idea that Ono has something for Capcom Cup has me a bit antsy. MK11 made the mistake of having their reveal before EVO and not revealing a Guest character on the show-floor. Nintendo never invests in Smash so that was also unfortunate (apparently the EVO prize pool is a joke compared to others because Nintendo refuses to invest in it).

SamSho and Uniel were pretty high up there: Uniel is getting a new game/update after so many years of playing (it's been around since 2012, hit consoles on PS3 in 2014 JP/2015 US) so that was a pretty big deal as it could have easily been done with by now, and SamSho made it CLEAR they are supporting this game with a new character EACH MONTH FOR THE REST OF 2019 and one of them is FREE, then they announced more character for 2020 and that those character are poll winners? Jesus dude

And then, we have Guilty Gear...OH BOI! Anyone who saw that cannot tell me it's not the best-looking animated fighting game thus far. This already puts FighterZ to shame, and FighterZ is godlike!

Oh yeah, we got that August Smash Direct date at last year's EVO as well.

Yeah, last year's EVO was much better for reveals.
Thanks, man! Yeah like I said definitely not a complete 1:1 comparison but similar enough that it's worth looking at imo. It really made me so happy to not only see Skullo announced at EVO a couple of years ago but see the crowd go ****ing bananas for him. Street Fighter EX plus Alpha was the first Capcom fighting game I ever owned as a kid and I have a lot of fond memories of it. I honestly think a big reason why I've never gone all in on Street Fighter as a player is because the characters that I mained and connected with growing up just kind of disappeared. Even though I've tried out other characters I don't think I've clicked with any of them quite as much. Seeing Skullomania (or Garuda) get into a mainline Street Fighter game is the only fighting game want I have on the level of Geno getting into Smash at this point.

Yeah some of the announcements were pretty good imo but I think a chunk of them got undercut by being spoiled beforehand like Janemba for Fighterz and the SFV DLC. I can understand why they had the Nightwolf reveal for MK11 earlier because people were basically attacking NRS/WB for getting zero information on DLC characters for months after it being teased. The Smash/Nintendo stuff was a definite missed opportunity. Sam Sho taking poll results into account for DLC is really good to see though, and Guilty Gear was a really cool reveal too.
 

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I think you mean WAH-peration eggplantfall
Now why didn't I think of that? That's genius.

Sooner or later, they'll run out of characters that aren't Geno.
At least concerning the SE side. Not many people seem to be in a hurry to support non-FF7 FF characters, and the Crono supporters have apparently given up, so that leaves us with Slime/some other DQ character, Sephiroth/Tifa and Neku as barriers to remove left. Sora is a "who even knows?" case, so he probably won't be a priority for the immediate future.
 
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At least concerning the SE side. Not many people seem to be in a hurry to support non-FF7 FF characters, and the Crono supporters have apparently given up, so that leaves us with Slime/some other DQ character, Sephiroth/Tifa and Neku as barriers to remove left. Sora is a "who even knows?" case, so he probably won't be a priority for the immediate future.
Sora's in such a weird league all his own with Disney and all that I wouldn't even count him tbh. He and Geno are in totally different situations and wouldn't have much bearing on one another imo.
 

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Sooner or later, they'll run out of characters that aren't Geno.
LOL You know, the funny thing is that this sentiment is what actually gives me the most hope. With how much demand there is for him, I can't see them adding new characters without EVENTUALLY breaking down and putting him in due to a lack of notable video game characters left in existence. It's basically process of elimination at this point.
 

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I... I never knew about this.

The number of times I've played this game is in the double digits... Yet I NEVER knew about this.

I'm ashamed. Banish me from the thread, for I am fake news. The fakest of fans.


No but really, gotta do another play through now.
 
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Very true, but the servers in America (because Nintendo would surely have dedicated servers per country, something that is an industry standard) are separate from those in Japan. I'm sure Japan's servers were in much worse shape during the Hero's release than America's servers were. People must've been losing their fool minds.
That I did not know. I thought it was an overall server which is why I did a Dwayne Johnsson (aka raise an eyebrow)
 

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That I did not know. I thought it was an overall server which is why I did a Dwayne Johnsson (aka raise an eyebrow)
Oh yeah, in such a case, I would have done the same thing, but companies often have dedicated servers to properly split loads, therefore allowing the best speeds and maintenance per country. That said, if Nintendo didn't do that, I'd be pretty confused... but I doubt they're that dumb.
 
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I... I never knew about this.

The number of times I've played this game is in the double digits... Yet I NEVER knew about this.

I'm ashamed. Banish me from the thread, for I am fake news. The fakest of fans.


No but really, gotta do another play through now.
 

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I... I never knew about this.

The number of times I've played this game is in the double digits... Yet I NEVER knew about this.

I'm ashamed. Banish me from the thread, for I am fake news. The fakest of fans.

*snip & Knuckles*

No but really, gotta do another play through now.
The Toad wearing sunglasses, you can't miss him. Talk to him every once in a while.

Yeah some of the announcements were pretty good imo but I think a chunk of them got undercut by being spoiled beforehand like Janemba for Fighterz and the SFV DLC. I can understand why they had the Nightwolf reveal for MK11 earlier because people were basically attacking NRS/WB for getting zero information on DLC characters for months after it being teased. The Smash/Nintendo stuff was a definite missed opportunity. Sam Sho taking poll results into account for DLC is really good to see though, and Guilty Gear was a really cool reveal too.
Seeing what EVO did in regards to the Snake fake-out, I honestly think they don't deserve having a Smash reveal yet. They're not mature enough. Meanwhile, Boone, ironically, was NOT amused about WB spoiling the surprise.

It makes me wonder though, given Jon's supposedly teasing tone in his Smash EVO report, do you think he knew of something, but it was pulled out at the last minute and saved for later because of not being presentable enough yet?
 
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Oh yeah, in such a case, I would have done the same thing, but companies often have dedicated servers to properly split loads, therefore allowing the best speeds and maintenance per country. That said, if Nintendo didn't do that, I'd be pretty confused... but I doubt they're that dumb.
Concidering how... lackluster their online functions are, I wouldn¨t be suprised
 

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I... I never knew about this.

The number of times I've played this game is in the double digits... Yet I NEVER knew about this.

I'm ashamed. Banish me from the thread, for I am fake news. The fakest of fans.


No but really, gotta do another play through now.
Hey, I didn't know about this minigame either, so don't feel bad.
 
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I have absolutely zero idea what my highest score in Beetlemania is.

Now that there are people saying they had no idea beetlemania existed, something popped up in my head and I'm curious now. Are there people in this thread that don't know about the casino?
 

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I have absolutely zero idea what my highest score in Beetlemania is.

Now that there are people saying they had no idea beetlemania existed, something popped up in my head and I'm curious now. Are there people in this thread that don't know about the casino?
I knew about both for the longest. Sorry, y'all, but it's hard for me to miss anything, especially since I love digging into games' coding and checking out unused assets. RIP.
 

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The bird is hinting at beetles!!!

Maybe!!

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I knew about Beetlemania....because of my snazzy player's guide. What I didn't know is that you can get up to 7 Snifits in booster's tower by losing to them in Booster's Pass.
 

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I admit that Metaknight started out kinda evil, but at the same time, he's kinda like Mewtwo. They were both bitter at the world but eventually came around to their own sense of honor.
Meta Knight never started as a villain. Seeing as his debut game (Kirby's Adventure) featured him as an accomplice of Dedede and Dedede was technically the hero in that game, Meta Knight was technically a hero too. The only "evil" thing Meta Knight did was Revenge of Meta Knight and, to be fair, he wasn't even evil in that. Main antagonist, yes, but villain? No. He wanted to get Dreamland to stop being so lazy, which although his methods were kind of extreme, he had a good point. Since then, he's only ever been "evil" as Mecha Knight or possessed by Yin-Yarn or the Jamba Heart. He's definitely not like Mewtwo because he never had evil intentions to begin with. Sorry for ranting but it's a misconception just like Dedede being a villain.
Also, considering how Dedede was 'king," Meta Knight probably could've just asked for them to stop.

Also, I'm pretty sure Wario is on that list.
 
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If it really turns out that SE is just being hyper greedy, then I'm gonna be so pissed. I mean, they are literally doing NOTHING with Geno and even if Nintendo offered them 15% of the profits or less, it's still free money! They would only have to hand over the rights and Nintendo/Sakurai would do all the work. You'd have to be the greediest little feck in the world to say, "You know what? Screw the fans. Screw this obscure character we almost forgot we even had. Screw money. You want this guy? Then pony up 80% of the profits, boyzzzz."

I sincerely hope this isn't the case, but if it was, I would hope that Nintendo would publicly call them out for it so I'd know where to focus my hate mail. I wonder if the backlash of thousands would help them grease the wheels a little. Maybe it would help if they knew how much freaking money this could make them. Think about it. At $5 a pop for even HALF the install base, we're looking at a minimum of $35,000,000! Take my money, people! Just let my Geno go!
If it's Square Enix that is the issue, it might not be greed motivating them, but PR and how Square Enix wants to present itself. There's no reason to not take the money... unless you recognize it as a potential issue for your brand. Geno's not really a Square Enix character that promotes anything Square Enix can sale to people, and they as a company seem to have an idea about how they present themselves on the wider market. If they look at Geno and see him as "Not putting their best foot forward and missing an opportunity for a better cross-promotion," any profit wouldn't change that mindset. If any company was going to have that sort of resistance, I'd wager Square Enix would be the one.

Not that it's inherently great reasoning, but it's a way that potentially explains how Geno seems to have no issue getting smaller roles in Smash, but never quite reaches playable. Not to mention the $35,000,000 tally gets split between a lot of people including recouping costs of development, advertising, CGI trailer development, Nintendo's cut, and Square Enix's cut... not to mention the fact he may be a part of a future Fighter's Pass or some sort of bonus DLC that eats into profits even more.

I really don't think it's a money thing unless Nintendo just isn't willing to pay for Geno's cost... in which case, I'd lay more blame at Nintendo's doorstep seeing as Smash is their product that they're developing for and they've been able to afford Cloud and Hero without too much issue and they're clearly just not making Geno such a priority if they won't just pony up the cash at that point. Square Enix is under no obligation to care about Smash all that much further, so they fairly wield all the power for setting price.

And please don't send hate mail. It helps no one.

Banjo would, but the Geno crash would be pretty damn solid too. Honestly even the less popular DLC guys like Hero crash the servers for a long time. You’d think they’d be more prepared for this stuff by now
Did Hero crash the servers? I downloaded him as soon as the update was available on the first try and didn't hear much about issues surrounding Hero at all.
 

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I definitely had some errors when trying to buy/download Hero. Not quite as much as Joker I think but it wasn't a smooth process all the same.
 

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Meta Knight never started as a villain. Seeing as his debut game (Kirby's Adventure) featured him as an accomplice of Dedede and Dedede was technically the hero in that game, Meta Knight was technically a hero too. The only "evil" thing Meta Knight did was Revenge of Meta Knight and, to be fair, he wasn't even evil in that. Main antagonist, yes, but villain? No. He wanted to get Dreamland to stop being so lazy, which although his methods were kind of extreme, he had a good point. Since then, he's only ever been "evil" as Mecha Knight or possessed by Yin-Yarn or the Jamba Heart. He's definitely not like Mewtwo because he never had evil intentions to begin with. Sorry for ranting but it's a misconception just like Dedede being a villain.
Also, considering how Dedede was 'king," Meta Knight probably could've just asked for them to stop.

Also, I'm pretty sure Wario is on that list.
Meta Knight even helped Kirby sometimes, and in his first appearance he even tossed Kirby those invincibility lollipops a few times, even once after Kirby defeated him; it felt more like he was testing Kirby’s strength or something.

King Dedede’s only evil deed was stealing Dreamland’s food; otherwise he’s possessed, it’s non-canon or a remake like Spring Breeze, not the Dedede himself, or he’s even helping Kirby (albeit reluctantly at first).
 
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Stuff like this is why we need more villains in Smash, the staffers start lumping in neutrals and loners.

I know of him, but I didn't know he had an entire mini-game. Thought it was just a gag.
The trick is that he lets you have a go at the game if you manage to not interrupt him long enough between talking prompts. If he loses his game, he gets mad and doesn't notice that he's talking to the :ultmario:.
 
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I definitely had some errors when trying to buy/download Hero. Not quite as much as Joker I think but it wasn't a smooth process all the same.
It's why I bought the Fighter Pass after the DQ heroes and Banjo were revealed. I didn't want to go through that all over again, and Banjo's going to be even worse than Joker in that regard on the Eshop when he and Kazooie launches
 

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It just seems weird to me this source has been so accurate in the past especially with the bear and bird image, but i'm losing trust with each passing day.
Losing trust how? Because you aren't getting immediate gratification? Calm down dude
 

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If it's Square Enix that is the issue, it might not be greed motivating them, but PR and how Square Enix wants to present itself. There's no reason to not take the money... unless you recognize it as a potential issue for your brand. Geno's not really a Square Enix character that promotes anything Square Enix can sale to people, and they as a company seem to have an idea about how they present themselves on the wider market. If they look at Geno and see him as "Not putting their best foot forward and missing an opportunity for a better cross-promotion," any profit wouldn't change that mindset. If any company was going to have that sort of resistance, I'd wager Square Enix would be the one.

Not that it's inherently great reasoning, but it's a way that potentially explains how Geno seems to have no issue getting smaller roles in Smash, but never quite reaches playable. Not to mention the $35,000,000 tally gets split between a lot of people including recouping costs of development, advertising, CGI trailer development, Nintendo's cut, and Square Enix's cut... not to mention the fact he may be a part of a future Fighter's Pass or some sort of bonus DLC that eats into profits even more.

I really don't think it's a money thing unless Nintendo just isn't willing to pay for Geno's cost... in which case, I'd lay more blame at Nintendo's doorstep seeing as Smash is their product that they're developing for and they've been able to afford Cloud and Hero without too much issue and they're clearly just not making Geno such a priority if they won't just pony up the cash at that point. Square Enix is under no obligation to care about Smash all that much further, so they fairly wield all the power for setting price.
These could be some reasonable motivations, I suppose, but considering that Cloud and Hero have already gotten in, I would honestly say that their best foot has already been put forward. Since Cloud is pretty much their poster boy, and Nintendo could afford HIM, I don't imagine that Geno would be all that insurmountable.
 
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I definitely had some errors when trying to buy/download Hero. Not quite as much as Joker I think but it wasn't a smooth process all the same.
I've had no issue whatsoever when downloading Hero.
 

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Losing trust how? Because you aren't getting immediate gratification? Calm down dude
Well to be fair, this is the longest a picture from this NoA staff member has ever taken for anything to come of it when it normally takes less than 3 weeks.

I'm not particularly worried though but I can understand why people are concerned.
 

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I didn't have an issue with Hero download, it only took a few seconds for me. The server was happy at that time I guess?

Anyway, still thinking about birds. This will be the longest fulfillment for the Source....
 

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I'll admit that I was surprised not to have any issues downloading Hero while Joker had taken me a full day to finally get. That said, why do you guys think that is? Could it be that Nintendo actually amped up their servers, or was Hero just not as overall popular as Joker was? Maybe there were more people skeptical as to whether they wanted him or not?
 

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Well to be fair, this is the longest a picture from this NoA staff member has ever taken for anything to come of it when it normally takes less than 3 weeks.

I'm not particularly worried though but I can understand why people are concerned.
The people who are concerned didn't even see the other pictures though
 

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I'll admit that I was surprised not to have any issues downloading Hero while Joker had taken me a full day to finally get. That said, why do you guys think that is? Could it be that Nintendo actually amped up their servers, or was Hero just not as overall popular as Joker was? Maybe there were more people skeptical as to whether they wanted him or not?
Probably just that Nintendo was better prepared and not in the middle of so much server maintenance like they were around Joker's release (I also think this was a smaller update too). I don't think it reflects on the characters at all.
 

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I'll admit that I was surprised not to have any issues downloading Hero while Joker had taken me a full day to finally get. That said, why do you guys think that is? Could it be that Nintendo actually amped up their servers, or was Hero just not as overall popular as Joker was? Maybe there were more people skeptical as to whether they wanted him or not?
I think it's because people weren't as hyped for the DQ Heroes in the West. That is until it became apparent they were arguably the best characters in the game at the moment
 

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Losing trust how? Because you aren't getting immediate gratification? Calm down dude
Umm, it’s been far from immediate.

It’s the longest there has ever been with one of these leaks.

I just hope it’s not some sort of insider hoax that doesn’t pan out
 

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I mean, DQ was seen as obscure in the West for years compared to the pants-wettingly popular Final Fantasy, so it's natural that not as much exploding would happen.

That being said, it's still boggling that nothing has happened still. We don't have a solid enough clue what forthcoming Ninty event Jon's hinting at (if he did hint anything at all). Did the info arrive to the sources too early? Was there an internal delay? Did the big guys catch on to the fact that they were being leaked? This is a weird situation all-around.

At least we have the Nindies to look forward to this month.
 
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