Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Nicnac]

Tansut didn't get everything right regarding the Dragon Quest heroes. He mistakenly claimed that a female alt for Erdrick would be included, and that didn't happen. Take his words with a grain of salt

Yeah, but he did get Cloud (Which nobody else did) and Hero. One slip-up doesn't make that all null and void.

 

[MattX20]

Yeah, but he did get Cloud (Which nobody else did) and Hero. One slip-up doesn't make that all null and void.

No, it doesn't, but he is still not perfect. Only Sabi's source and to a lesser extent Shinobi are worth trusting at this point

 

[Deleted member]

No, it doesn't, but he is still not perfect. Only Sabi's source and to a lesser extent Shinobi are worth trusting at this point

VR Plant too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Tansut didn't get everything right regarding the Dragon Quest heroes. He mistakenly claimed that a female alt for Erdrick would be included, and that didn't happen. Take his words with a grain of salt

LOL, maybe he saw one of the forms and thought it was too feminine to be male and assumed it was a female

 

[xpnc]

Yeah, but he did get Cloud (Which nobody else did) and Hero. One slip-up doesn't make that all null and void.

From what I understand he got Cloud at a time where most insiders would have seen the direct already.

 

[Nicnac]

LOL, maybe he saw one of the forms and thought it was too feminine to be male and assumed it was a female

Naw, I think he said explicitly Femdrick.

 

[Deleted member]

LOL, maybe he saw one of the forms and thought it was too feminine to be male and assumed it was a female

Doubt that, tbh.

More so since it seems Tansut directly referred to a female Erdrick and not just a DQ Heroine in general.

 

[Sigran101]

Yeah, but he did get Cloud (Which nobody else did) and Hero. One slip-up doesn't make that all null and void.

He was one of thousands upon thousands making smash leaks. He could have just happened to be the one the inevitably got something right. Then he only said Erdrick after everyone was saying it and he got all the details wrong. He only has one leak to his name. I'm convinced Tansut just got lucky.

 

[SSGuy]

Tansut was one of a few thousand people who knew Cloud was coming two weeks before he was shown off. He just happened to be the one guy who leaked it.

 

[MissingGlitch]

At this point the sure fire way for characters to get into smash is by saying it won't happen.

 

[AugustusB]

Seems tansut hasn’t heard anything and doesn’t think another square rep is likely. Ouch.

Yo, bring his post to the class. I want to see that.

Also, I have said time and time again, he never confirmed with his source 100% it was Erdrick. Yes, Erdrick was technically right, but it was more than we all thought. Including Tansut himself.

EDIT: I see what you are saying MissingGlitch "Man, Geno is never happening! Doom Slayer is not happening either!" (those would be a pretty good close to the pass personally)

 

[Nicnac]

"Man, Geno is never happening! Doom Slayer is not happening either!" (those would be a pretty good close to the pass personally)

Completely agreed.

 

[MattX20]

A lesson everyone should remember: no leaker is 100% infallible, nor do they know everything all the time. Unless said person is like Sabi's source and actually works closely at the company, chances are there will be some details or times they get things wrong

 

[StarLight42]

Its on the smash bros discussion on the resetera thread, most recent page

Sorry can’t link rn, on my mobile

 

[MattX20]

Its on the smash bros discussion on the resetera thread, most recent page

Sorry can’t link rn, on my mobile

Again, Tansut doesn't have a fantastic track record, despite some Smash confirmations. He doesn't know everything that goes on

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm more entertaining the idea that the reason no one has heard anything even closely related to Square or not about Geno returning is because Geno isn't their property anymore and hasn't been for some time, but who knows.

 

[StarLight42]

Tansut didn't get everything right regarding the Dragon Quest heroes. He mistakenly claimed that a female alt for Erdrick would be included, and that didn't happen. Take his words with a grain of salt

Oof, did he really leak a female Erdrick alt? That’s a little reassuring

 

[MattX20]

Oof, did he really leak a female Erdrick alt? That’s a little reassuring

Yes, he did. He was fairly confident in just Erdrick and assumed the female alt was guaranteed

 

[Nicnac]

In about 20 hours, the Smash finals for EVO will be going on. If nothing gets announced, remember:
This is not the end for Geno. We still have no Mii Costume, and various leakers have info going around. It's not over until he's in.
Or he is in, which is great!

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

Lol, you guys ever wonder why nothing from Square ever gets leaked, or at least properly? Because they hide their **** good, and Nintendo wants to make sure of that too. No one can know what the **** is coming from them until last minute. The amount of names heard during the whole fiasco last year just proves that, and the fact NO OTHER leaker said anything but Erdrick. I don't trust anyone when it comes to Square

 

[MattX20]

Lol, you guys ever wonder why nothing from Square ever gets leaked, or at least properly? Because they hide their **** good, and Nintendo wants to make sure of that too. No one can know what the **** is coming from them until last minute. The amount of names heard during the whole fiasco last year just proves that, and the fact NO OTHER leaker said anything but Erdrick. I don't trust anyone when it comes to Square

Exactly. Square made leakbaiting/creating false information about games an artform.

 

[AugustusB]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...read-4-holding-out-for-a-hero.129433/page-179
StarLight42 if you are talking about this thread, I have yet to see Tansut say anything. Unless they changed their name recently or this is not the thread.

 

[valkiriforce]

I just want to say something about all the support Geno has seen over the years:

Spoiler: Long post

I've talked before about how I played Super Mario RPG around the time it first came out, and I've rented it at least a couple of times, but it wasn't until around 2003 that I finally bought my own copy of the game so I could play through it in its entirety. I loved all of the characters and Geno felt like a very special imaginative character that was just going to have this one-hit wonder of an appearance in this amazing game. The game's ending is one of my all-time favorites, and it left me with that depth of feeling that people can sometimes get when they finish a really good book; it's like you've lost a friend and it's sad for the adventure to come to an end, even if it's a good ending to the story. Super Mario RPG is just that kind of world you wish you could visit and explore and get to know the place; it really puts a lot of depth into the Mario universe that some of us would have liked to get to know better at the time, since most Mario games would be about Mario saving Peach from Bowser and it wouldn't go much more in-depth than what Super Mario RPG accomplished at the time.

If I had been asked at the time about Geno as a candidate for a future Super Smash Bros. game, of course I would have fallen in love with the idea immediately, but I don't think I would have ever anticipated him getting as much love or attention as he has over these past decades. His appearance in Smash sounds almost as good of a concept as Smash itself; to me, Super Smash Bros. was sort of like "Action Figures: The Game" with the idea of all these Nintendo properties crossing over for the first time and fighting each other playfully. What amazed me during the Brawl days was the first time I heard about that Japanese poll where Geno was within the top 3 most voted-for characters and how I started hearing people throw Geno's name around the place. I was totally blown away by the support he was getting and seeing so many people who also love and remember Super Mario RPG was a really wonderful thing to see. It kind of reminds me of my relation to Super Metroid in that I had played it with my brother and sisters, but I've never heard anyone outside of our family talk about this game back then and wondered if we somehow knew about this hidden gem of a game (although really it's just that I've never bothered to ask anybody else about it at the time). Seeing that it's gotten a lot of attention over the years and is often remembered among some of the best Metroid games I was glad to see I was not alone in appreciating that experience. I guess what I'm saying is that Geno felt like he was this "really out there" character that you wanted to happen so badly, but wondered if anyone would remember him past his one-time experience in Super Mario RPG. All the excitement surrounding SSBB and the character ballots at the time was a lot of fun to be a part of, and seeing the level of support Geno was getting was incredible. Something I would have thought of as a never-ever character really was more of a, "not so far from reality" scenario. It's difficult to explain, but think of any character you wouldn't have imagined having any chance in Smash, and then seeing so many people rushing to support said character, even going as far as to produce flash animations, music covers, fan art and other creative media outlets where people would fly the Geno banner of support. It seriously was mind-blowing and crazy to see it all come together like it did, even though Geno wouldn't make the last cut in SSBB.

Fast-forward some years later when I had pretty much stopped thinking about it - and then Smash 4 drops that Geno costume on us, which was a huge sign of acknowledgement from Sakurai himself. It was like the message from so many years ago was finally heard in some capacity, and Sakurai even went as far as to include that "Beware The Forest Mushrooms" music for his trailer, which was a really nice touch. Of course being that this was DLC for the latest Smash game at the time, it still seemed like we would have to wait so long before another Super Smash Bros. game would ever come out, until that Smash teaser was dropped on us suddenly in March 2018. At this point I was just hoping at least Wolf would return, since I was disappointed that he didn't show up during Smash 4's DLC, but much to my surprise not only did he return but Snake also came back, who I thought was also just going to have that one-time appearance in Brawl. Not only that, but all of the characters are coming back, and then Ridley gets dropped on us at the end of the E3 presentation who I thought previously seemed near impossible due to Sakurai's own words on him. What an amazing day that was.

It was then that I remembered my want for Geno again, when it seemed like so much was happening for this game, which was only furthered by the inclusion of the Belmonts and King K. Rool. So much was happening for this one game that you know we all feel like this is the time for our supported characters to make it into the game. At the time it felt like it would make sense to include Geno, just seeing K. Rool and Ridley thrown into the mix, now is his best chance ever at getting into a Smash Bros. game. At this point, I feel like with Banjo-Kazooie's inclusion nothing but Sakurai's own will for this game could stop Geno from making it this time. As I said previously, it's been a long road indeed, and I don't know if it'll pay off in this game or another one, but after all of what has happened up to this point I don't want us to lose steam over supporting Geno - keep supporting him until his time for Smash comes true. He is after all a spirit that comes from a place all about granting wishes, and I trust Nintendo and Sakurai aren't tone deaf if they've gone so far as to remembering Banjo-Kazooie, who was certainly influenced by the fans that supported them. I don't know how word gets out there to Nintendo about characters like K. Rool, Ridley and Banjo, but they must know at this point about Geno if people are talking about it all around the place, and even so far that Sakurai would give us a Mii Gunner costume. I honestly hope it comes true this time, but if somehow he isn't happening as soon as we had hoped, we have to be respectfully louder about our support of his inclusion. We could learn from the endurance of the other fanbases that have benefited from always supporting their characters no matter what - even in the face of Sakurai's comment about Ridley, which amazingly turned around over time.

In summary, I've had a blast with speculation and entertaining theories, leaks, fun ideas for Geno or Super Mario RPG, and so on. The story of Super Mario RPG may have ended, but 23 years later maybe Geno will finally stop by and say hello to us again. Keep being cool Geno fans - let's hope the impossible is possible.

 

[Captain Fun]

Exactly. Square made leakbaiting/creating false information about games an artform.

This narrative doesn’t really hold up IMO. Not when Dragon Quest stuff in Smash was known for almost a year.

I tend to believe Tansut. He seemed iffy on the female alt thing and had clarified that he only knew a Dragon Quest character was coming. I think he embellished his post with some of his own speculation, but even from the beginning he wasn’t 100% on the female alt detail.

Edit: Tansut’s post after Hero reveal clarifying his current position.

 

[Deleted member]

MattX20 don’t forget the fact that VR Plant also has a flawless track record so far.

 

[MattX20]

Hmm...I might've been wrong about the starting time for the Smash finals tomorrow. It may actually start at Noon central time according to Smash.gg https://smash.gg/tournament/evo-2019/events/super-smash-bros-ultimate/brackets

 

[T2by4]

Well if its not geno, then who could it possibly be? We have someone hinting that its going to be related to a starling bird, but yet tansut says it isn't geno. Who can possibly be related to a starling?

 

[StarLight42]

Well if its not geno, then who could it possibly be? We have someone hinting that its going to be related to a starling bird, but yet tansut says it isn't geno. Who can possibly be related to a starling?

To clarify, he never said Geno isn’t coming. He just said he hasn’t heard of another Square rep and doesnt think its likely

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Lol, you guys ever wonder why nothing from Square ever gets leaked, or at least properly? Because they hide their **** good, and Nintendo wants to make sure of that too. No one can know what the **** is coming from them until last minute. The amount of names heard during the whole fiasco last year just proves that, and the fact NO OTHER leaker said anything but Erdrick. I don't trust anyone when it comes to Square

Square Enix has stuff leaked all the time though despite their best attempts. I also love that we're still bringing this up when Hero/Dragon Quest was a known entity for almost a full year prior to its reveal... Erdrick was correct in a way, and multiple people brought up the idea of a Dragon Quest Hero in general even if it wasn't Hero per se.

Like The Avengers game has been known for ages prior to the E3 reveal this year, Kingdom Hearts stuff was coming out for a while prior to III's release, the Final Fantasy VIII Remaster was leaked hours before it was unveiled, and Just Cause 4 was had screenshots leaked early prior to the game's reveal too. They have about as good of a history of maintaining leaks as most AAA companies to be honest. Not everything leaks, but I'd say they're about equal with Nintendo (and we know the leaks with Nintendo all too well at this point I think).

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

To clarify, he never said Geno isn’t coming. He just said he hasn’t heard of another Square rep and doesnt think its likely

then let us hope that he is wrong.

 

[ForsakenM]

JESUS FIGHTERZ WAS HYYYYYYYYYPE!

Now to move on to hopefully some hype-ass SamSho.

 

[Rohanx17]

so what time is the event at evo were looking to see a reveal going to be? I've seen 3 different times now and I'm thoroughly confused.

 

[MattX20]

so what time is the event at evo were looking to see a reveal going to be? I've seen 3 different times now and I'm thoroughly confused.

The best guess is potentially after the finals. If we're going by Sabi's source and the starling picture and the fact that it will be exactly 3 weeks tomorrow since it was posted, chances are it's referring to some announcement at EVO.

 

[Ura]

Hmm...I might've been wrong about the starting time for the Smash finals tomorrow. It may actually start at Noon central time according to Smash.gg https://smash.gg/tournament/evo-2019/events/super-smash-bros-ultimate/brackets

Must be wrong. I checked the official EVO site and it said Ultimate's finals starts at 7PM PST (which is 10PM EST). It is closing out the show so I expect it to run late.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

so what time is the event at evo were looking to see a reveal going to be? I've seen 3 different times now and I'm thoroughly confused.

12:00 PM Central Time is when the grand finals are, which is what EVO ends on, so probably around then.

 

[MattX20]

Must be wrong. I checked the official EVO site and it said Ultimate's finals starts at 7PM PST (which is 10PM EST). It is closing out the show so I expect it to run late.

The Twitch streams I'm watching seems to match up more with Smash.gg's posts

 

[AugustusB]

Edit: Tansut’s post after Hero reveal clarifying his current position.

I just found that lol. The way it was presented made me think it was a recent post. I remember this now. The fact he is stating he knows nothing else is good personally. We are still in this weird sort of limbo where no one can confirm or out right deconfirm Geno is good.

 

[Datboigeno]

I'd just like to bring up that the only person who had legit information that pointed towards Benjo-Kazooie being a newcomer up until Shinobi said something hinting towards it on Resetera and the NoA person hinted at Banjo on Discord was papagenos . All other major leakers said Banjo was a no go and were all-in on Steve/Minecraft content until Shinobi said something and lots of merchandise began popping up. And then magically a day or so before the reveal Vergeben popped up to say he was """99% sure about Banjo""" still covering his ass in case it didn't pan out which likely was all just backpedaling from going in on Steve for months. PapaGenos had this information back in November. Yet no one took it seriously or thought Banjo was a lock enough to speculate or drop hints until weeks beforehand and none of those doing so were the "big name" leakers.

 

[Ura]

The Twitch streams I'm watching seems to match up more with Smash.gg's posts

Really? Well that's welcome news if true.

 

[Fatmanonice]

so what time is the event at evo were looking to see a reveal going to be? I've seen 3 different times now and I'm thoroughly confused.

I want to say the Direct last year was announced before the Grand Finals but I don't remember. Either way, pretty much the entire time slot for Smash tomorrow is technically fair game.