Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[SSGuy]

Are a sizable amount of people actually doing this though? I see much more people outside of the thread saying he’s absolutely not it and never going to be in, and more people here warning people off from “being embarrassing” and delusional than people actually saying he’s absolutely in and being embarrassing.

It isn't a matter if we have been doing this or not, it is most of a preemptive measure to ensure we aren't setting ourselves up to look like a bunch of Clown Emojis

 

[StarLight42]

Banjo is also pretty popular in Japan for a N64 game. And I wouldn't say Persona 5 is unknown in the West.



You literally said Banjo is the only "pure" fanservice pick right after saying Hero is added for fanservice to Japanese fans.

And i’m not wrong on either fronts. Banjo’s only reason for being added was fanservice. There’s no new Banjo games, and the last one we got was critically panned. Banjo was fanservice, pure and simple.

Hero on the other hand, while fanservice for Japan, is clearly trying to be used to market DQXI in the west, which is a smart move considering the states aren’t as into the DQ franchise as Japan is.

So, if you have a problem with what i’m saying, I think you’re either misconstructing my posts or you just don’t like facts.

 

[MisterMike]

I think you're both being too harsh on ResetERA. I frequent the Smash threads over there quite a bit these days to get a perspective outside of SmashBoards. There really isn't a whole lot of bias against or any towards Geno over there. It's mostly just people dismissing his chances for different reasons that are pretty arguably valid in many instances and then sometimes people show some real support. The only issues here are the Sabi quote (which to be entirely honest, Sabi could have also just said nothing, but she specifically chose to comment on this matter in that way, which you have to admit is curious... not to mention Sabi's whole C&D thing has always been kind of a weird point and she still talks more about Nintendo than I thought would be reasonable for someone threatened with legal action) and people thinking that the "bird picture" stuff is absurd and stupid (I agree completely on that point). Honestly, ResetERA has always seemed like one of the more rational and reasonable places for Geno discussion.




Stop mischaracterizing the point people make with Spirits and deconfirms for the Fighter's Pass, I'm tired of seeing this brought up every time someone makes a legitimate point about Spirits and the Fighter's Pass. Base game doesn't affect base game and is completely different from DLC. As Verde Coeden Scalesworth pointed out, Sakurai would have just removed Spirits at the end of development if they were going to be DLC since there are 1300 already and five won't matter (assuming any Fighter's Pass character even has anything close to a chance of being a Spirit, none of the three so far did). You wouldn't scrub the Spirits of existing planned fighters that are already in the base game because there is nothing to spoil or to show off at a later point, the entire base game drops at once. And this only impacts the Fighter's Pass because they would have been worked on concurrently and all DLC would have been decided prior to the game going gold, which we know for a fact. That doesn't mean future characters or bonus characters can't have had Spirits, but the Fighter's Pass was clearly developed/planned alongside the base game and its Spirits, where it would make sense to scrub (and given our current DLC) two Spirits if they were somehow planned for the Fighter's Pass (I guess three since you'd have to take Mallow out as well, but we didn't really expect Super Mario RPG Spirits to begin with, so their absence wouldn't have been super noteworthy). It's not that you couldn't have the Spirit next to the character, it's why would you choose to leave the Spirit in when you knew the DLC was coming with them later on? It's not a big deal to drop a couple Spirits when you have 1300 others.

Wasn't the DLC roster decided in November, though? How could they have decided to exclude certain characters for DLC if they didn't know until November which characters (sans Pirahna Plant) they would be adding as DLC?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It isn't a matter if we have been doing this or not, it is most of a preemptive measure to ensure we aren't setting ourselves up to look like a bunch of Clown Emojis

And the Isaac fans do it too, though in their case it's for much more of a long-term goal.

 

[Firox]

And the Isaac fans do it too, though in their case it's for much more of a long-term goal.

OMG, I absolutely love your profile pic. So freaking cute!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

OMG, I absolutely love your profile pic. So freaking cute!

Thanks, I couldn't find one for the recent Kirby hat so far, so this'll do in the meantime.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I think it's pretty obvious they're pushing DQ XI with Hero's inclusion; the mii costume from that game had Smash Bros. x DQ XI S specifically, while the others just had Smash Bros. x Dragon Quest in general. The new game's Switch-exclusive logo is also his logo on the Smash Bros. website, and Eleven is the default look.

That being said, I think it's a given they largely intended it for fanservice as well, based on the content, and I think we can all agree Sakurai did especially, but they're clearly pushing the new game as well. Of course, why wouldn't they? It's SE's newest DQ entry.

Of course, since Cloud also uses FF7's logo, it's probably just Square being Square.

 

[MattX20]

July 14th, which means three weeks on this Saturday.

July the 14th was a Sunday, not a Saturday. But otherwise yeah, if there's anything Smash related at EVO, we'll find out for sure on Saturday or Sunday at the latest.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think it's pretty obvious they're pushing DQ XI with Hero's inclusion; the mii costume from that game had Smash Bros. x DQ XI S specifically, while the others just had Smash Bros. x Dragon Quest in general. The new game's Switch-exclusive logo is also his logo on the Smash Bros. website, and Eleven is the default look.

That being said, I think it's a given they largely intended it for fanservice as well, based on the content, and I think we can all agree Sakurai did especially, but they're clearly pushing the new game as well. Of course, why wouldn't they? It's SE's newest DQ entry.

Of course, since Cloud also uses FF7's logo, it's probably just Square being Square.

I'm willing to bet that Sak/Ninty wanted Erdrick to be the guy spearheading Hero's base at first, until the guys at Enix persuaded him/Nintendo to put Luminary in his stead. An alt really seems like a good workaround.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I don't want to get off topic too much; but I need some advice. I'm trying to get all the spirits but I only have a couple left, which require sacrificing other spirits. Is there an easy way to obtain them without leaving it to the spirit board? Is there a way to increase the odds in my favor? Or should I just do another run through WOL and do it that way, which would take more time but be more reliable? I can't stand having just a few missing spirits lol. Also are all the event spirits still in the spirit board rotation?

 

[ZelDan]

I don't think saying "spirits are deconfirmed" is that dumb if talking specifically about the remaining two slots of the current fighter's pass. Seeing the pattern we have right now with Joker, hero, and banjo, it's not a bad/wrong assumption or prediction.

Now if there are any other bonus fighters or more DLC beyond the fighters pass? Then sure, Spirits (and hell, maybe even assist trophies) are probably fair game.

 

[Deleted member]

You literally said Banjo is the only "pure" fanservice pick right after saying Hero is added for fanservice to Japanese fans.

Regarding this, I think I should remember that Sakurai claimed to have added the DQ8 Hero to serve the demand for the character in the western DQ fandom.

 

[StarLight42]

I don't think saying "spirits are deconfirmed" is that dumb if talking specifically about the remaining two slots of the current fighter's pass. Seeing the pattern we have right now with Joker, hero, and banjo, it's not a bad/wrong assumption or prediction.

Now if there are any other bonus fighters or more DLC beyond the fighters pass? Then sure, Spirits (and hell, maybe even assist trophies) are probably fair game.

Thats circumstantial evidence though, saying spirits deconfirm when the Fighter Pass characters had no chance of being spirits anyways

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't think saying "spirits are deconfirmed" is that dumb if talking specifically about the remaining two slots of the current fighter's pass. Seeing the pattern we have right now with Joker, hero, and banjo, it's not a bad/wrong assumption or prediction.

Now if there are any other bonus fighters or more DLC beyond the fighters pass? Then sure, Spirits (and hell, maybe even assist trophies) are probably fair game.

Within the realm of reason, of course. I don't seriously expect the Personal trainer chef, the mahjong guy or Dr. Kawashima to be playable, for example. One's gotta use educated guessing to determine who would be most likely for promotion in such a case scenario.

 

[Firox]

I don't want to get off topic too much; but I need some advice. I'm trying to get all the spirits but I only have a couple left, which require sacrificing other spirits. Is there an easy way to obtain them without leaving it to the spirit board? Is there a way to increase the odds in my favor? Or should I just do another run through WOL and do it that way, which would take more time but be more reliable? I can't stand having just a few missing spirits lol. Also are all the event spirits still in the spirit board rotation?

I think I know the ones your talking about, and I'm pretty sure I started a new game to get them since they weren't too far from the beginning. If you have to use the spirit board, you can use the shuffle item to keep cycling the available spirits. I've got over 500,000 gold at this point, so I bought 99 shuffles in case I ever need to cycle the board again.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it's pretty obvious they're pushing DQ XI with Hero's inclusion; the mii costume from that game had Smash Bros. x DQ XI S specifically, while the others just had Smash Bros. x Dragon Quest in general. The new game's Switch-exclusive logo is also his logo on the Smash Bros. website, and Eleven is the default look.

That being said, I think it's a given they largely intended it for fanservice as well, based on the content, and I think we can all agree Sakurai did especially, but they're clearly pushing the new game as well. Of course, why wouldn't they? It's SE's newest DQ entry.

Of course, since Cloud also uses FF7's logo, it's probably just Square being Square.

Thing is doh that Sakurai also wanted to appeal DQ fans from the West through the addition of the DQ8 Hero, who was pretty demanded by the DQ fans around this side of the planet.

So in theory it wasn’t just fanservice for the East.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Thing is doh that Sakurai also wanted to appeal DQ fans from the West through the addition of the DQ8 Hero, who was pretty demanded by the DQ fans around this side of the planet.

So in theory it wasn’t just fanservice for the East.

yeah there was also some Western fanservice, I wasn't thinking it was just for the East only. That didn't really cross my mind.

Tbh the pushing of DQ XI S is probably just Square wanting them to, it's likely also why Cloud uses FF7's logo instead of a generic FF logo.

 

[ZelDan]

Thats circumstantial evidence though, saying spirits deconfirm when the Fighter Pass characters had no chance of being spirits anyways

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Considering that the 3 characters we learned about so far for DLC just so happened to be 3rd party characters or spiritless characters, it wouldn't be a "dumb" prediction to think DLC 4 and 5 could be the same.

I'm not saying that the 4th and 5th characters DEFINITELY WON'T be characters with spirits or anything like that, but still, I'm just saying that "spirits deconfirm" isn't as dumb an argument as some make it out to be.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Uhh, I highly doubt Banjo, Hero, or Joker would’ve been spirits if they were not planned as DLC. This just kind of ruins this whole argument. Every single “spirits deconfirm” argument I see has loopholes like this.

I already acknowledged this in my post. They wouldn't have had Spirits to begin with, which would only leave two fighters of the Pass to have Spirits in the game, which are super easy to cut. It's two out of 1300 at best assuming these next two fighters don't follow the same precedent of the first three (Which would align with Reggie's comments at the TGAs as I've detailed in a prior post). It doesn't ruin the argument and it doesn't serve as a loophole. The point of Spirits deconfirm for and only for the Fighter's Pass is that A. The characters picked are probably all from new franchises and B. Spirits were worked on while DLC was being decided, so there's no reason to keep the base game Spirits if you're going to just develop them as DLC later on. Again, it comes down to not doubling up on stuff when you know you have plans for the content later on. We don't have a Direct example of this because none of the DLC would have been in anyway, but what good reason would they have for keeping a Spirit battle of say Geno when he's going to be DLC. There's so many of them already in the game that it really doesn't matter if an extremely small handful get cut.

But if the spirits were worked on before the DLC plans were given to Sakurai last year, which he seems to have some form of control over, and they negotiated for the Geno spirit and possibly the Shantae spirit before then as well, then they wouldn't remove them. We have no proof Sakurai wouldn't have wanted something extra, anyway.

You don't negotiate something, add it, and then fall back on those negotiations. This also applies if Sakurai wanted Geno as a fighter and Nintendo and SE allowed it, later.

I mean, you would fall back on negotiations if you chose to bump up their status to a more important and larger role. Just because you made a deal prior in no way means you are beholden to that deal in the event that you renegotiate a better one later on. Negotiations on a character as a Spirit to a Fighter wouldn't be a static thing, they would be ongoing with lots of contact between Sakurai and the developer in question, something he has explicitly stated in the past.

Wasn't the DLC roster decided in November, though? How could they have decided to exclude certain characters for DLC if they didn't know until November which characters (sans Pirahna Plant) they would be adding as DLC?

The DLC was "finalized" by November 2nd when Sakurai tweeted out his statement on DLC. Negotiations and deals would have already been made prior to this and decisions would have been made much earlier than this point while the game was still in development. Again, you'd at best be dropping a relatively small handful of Spirits, so it wouldn't be a big deal to discard that work. Bigger and more important pieces of content have been dropped in the past for various reasons, a grand total of maybe 5 Spirits being dropped because they were planned as future DLC wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Considering that the 3 characters we learned about so far for DLC just so happened to be 3rd party characters or spiritless characters, it wouldn't be a "dumb" prediction to think DLC 4 and 5 could be the same.

I'm not saying that the 4th and 5th characters DEFINITELY WON'T be characters with spirits or anything like that, but still, I'm just saying that "spirits deconfirm" isn't as dumb an argument as some make it out to be.

As far as I'm concerned it's only a dumb argument if it does turn out that there's more DLC after this. At least in regards to those who think "those who are spirits will never ever get in, ever, period".

I would at least expect only one spirit upgrade at most for the pass, anything's fair game after that indeed.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Fact of the matter is there isn't a single piece of confirming evidence that tells us beyond a shadow of a doubt that spirits deconfirm. It is, for all intents and purposes a fan made rule. Until it comes from the mouth of sakurai himself and all the DLC has been revealed, it will remain a fan made rule.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want to get off topic too much; but I need some advice. I'm trying to get all the spirits but I only have a couple left, which require sacrificing other spirits. Is there an easy way to obtain them without leaving it to the spirit board? Is there a way to increase the odds in my favor? Or should I just do another run through WOL and do it that way, which would take more time but be more reliable? I can't stand having just a few missing spirits lol. Also are all the event spirits still in the spirit board rotation?

A couple of them may require another playthrough of WOL. I got all of them after my second playthrough.

 

[ZelDan]

You need to play through WoL to get the

Spoiler

Marx and Dracula spirits again

since both of those spirits are enhancable and only found through WoL IIRC

 

[TheCJBrine]

I mean, you would fall back on negotiations if you chose to bump up their status to a more important and larger role. Just because you made a deal prior in no way means you are beholden to that deal in the event that you renegotiate a better one later on. Negotiations on a character as a Spirit to a Fighter wouldn't be a static thing, they would be ongoing with lots of contact between Sakurai and the developer in question, something he has explicitly stated in the past.

Then is it not possible he negotiated for the Spirit then decided to keep both it and the fighter once DLC came into play? We still have no proof they'd actually remove it, even if it seems logical. I'd say it also makes sense to just allow both; Spirits lore is already ruined once you double up on 'em, anyway, they're essentially stickers/part of timeline shenanigans, and ignoring this point, he could've simply just liked having both or something in the base game.

 

[StarLight42]

Regarding this, I think I should remember that Sakurai claimed to have added the DQ8 Hero to serve the demand for the character in the western DQ fandom.

Exactly.

Luminary is the default and is for advertising DQXI in the west.

Erdrick/Arusu and Solo are fan service for the Japan DQ fanbase

And of course, Eight is fan service for the current western DQ fanbase, who likely grew up with DQ8 on PS2

They are trying to make the western DQ fanbase bigger by using Hero’s default skin as a marketing tool for DQXI.

 

[Datboigeno]

I think you're both being too harsh on ResetERA. I frequent the Smash threads over there quite a bit these days to get a perspective outside of SmashBoards. There really isn't a whole lot of bias against or any towards Geno over there. It's mostly just people dismissing his chances for different reasons that are pretty arguably valid in many instances and then sometimes people show some real support. The only issues here are the Sabi quote (which to be entirely honest, Sabi could have also just said nothing, but she specifically chose to comment on this matter in that way, which you have to admit is curious... not to mention Sabi's whole C&D thing has always been kind of a weird point and she still talks more about Nintendo than I thought would be reasonable for someone threatened with legal action) and people thinking that the "bird picture" stuff is absurd and stupid (I agree completely on that point). Honestly, ResetERA has always seemed like one of the more rational and reasonable places for Geno discussion.




Stop mischaracterizing the point people make with Spirits and deconfirms for the Fighter's Pass, I'm tired of seeing this brought up every time someone makes a legitimate point about Spirits and the Fighter's Pass. Base game doesn't affect base game and is completely different from DLC. As Verde Coeden Scalesworth pointed out, Sakurai would have just removed Spirits at the end of development if they were going to be DLC since there are 1300 already and five won't matter (assuming any Fighter's Pass character even has anything close to a chance of being a Spirit, none of the three so far did). You wouldn't scrub the Spirits of existing planned fighters that are already in the base game because there is nothing to spoil or to show off at a later point, the entire base game drops at once. And this only impacts the Fighter's Pass because they would have been worked on concurrently and all DLC would have been decided prior to the game going gold, which we know for a fact. That doesn't mean future characters or bonus characters can't have had Spirits, but the Fighter's Pass was clearly developed/planned alongside the base game and its Spirits, where it would make sense to scrub (and given our current DLC) two Spirits if they were somehow planned for the Fighter's Pass (I guess three since you'd have to take Mallow out as well, but we didn't really expect Super Mario RPG Spirits to begin with, so their absence wouldn't have been super noteworthy). It's not that you couldn't have the Spirit next to the character, it's why would you choose to leave the Spirit in when you knew the DLC was coming with them later on? It's not a big deal to drop a couple Spirits when you have 1300 others.

Yeah, no we're not being unfair at all. I don't ever really visit resetera but I did click on the link you posted and anyone who did would have seen a page full of people straight up ****ting on Geno's chances and writing off the idea that the bird leak could involve him in any way. You're characterizing them as rational and reasonable and Sabi framing of the leak as "curious" because it aligns with your irrational animosity for Sabi's source and questioning his and Fatmanonice 's character every chance that you can get. tbh this is just another example of your determination to grasp at any straws that you can to write off Geno's chances for SSBU and be as contrarian as possible for someone who spends so much time on this thread. I admit I usually either ignore it or have a laugh but I'm definitely not cool with you trying to frame me as being "too harsh" when I'm giving a basic description of the link you posted. Especially when people on that thread are making bad faith arguments and purposely mischaracterizing things.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I also gotta say I don't buy that Kaptain K. Rool counts as a separate character for the purposes of his spirit, when lore-wise it's the same bloody character with a bicorne and a blunderbuss. It beggars belief that people will ignore this basic fact in order to make it better fit the assumption that spirits and characters cannot overlap.

 

[UberMadman]

Yeah, the lore behind Spirits is incredibly loose to begin with. We have Spirits of literal inanimate objects, which I guess I’m now supposed to believe have souls based on the game’s storyline. I don’t think that maintaining the integrity of the story to this game is nearly as important to the development team as people are making it out to be; Spirits were made with gameplay and chronology of gaming in mind first, not story.

 

[Vector Victor]

Fact of the matter is there isn't a single piece of confirming evidence that tells us beyond a shadow of a doubt that spirits deconfirm. It is, for all intents and purposes a fan made rule. Until it comes from the mouth of sakurai himself and all the DLC has been revealed, it will remain a fan made rule.

I think people are just tired of fan rules at this point, especially after Ultimate demolished many of them. It feels like fan rules lately are just being used to put down a character's chances that someone doesn't want added. Instead of coming out and just saying 'I don't want X' they come up with rules that range from semi-plausible based off interviews to ones that have zero basis to back them up to prove that character X can't be added.

Fan rules went from personal guides to how people make their roster hopes (ie, '3rd parties might only get the lead character, so odds are lower that secondary ones are possible. I'll update my wishlist.') to almost commandments that people must follow ('3rd parties get one character only forever!') but base it off either vague wording from the developers, or most usually, nothing at all.

And of course, things change. 'Spirits deconfirm' and 'Ridley too big' have almost the same level of usage in character arguments (but of course Ridley's was far longer), and only one actually came from Sakurai, and even that was later changed by him.

 

[StarLight42]

In addition, the reason why Eight seems to be the most popular Hero alt is not only because he’s the coolest looking and has a goddamn mouse in his pocket, but also probably because he’s the DQ Hero that pretty much embodies DQ’s entrance into the west.

Fun fact, Eight’s game was the first to use the title “Dragon Quest” internationally, and not just Dragon Warrior in the states

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I just feel like it's going to go one of two ways.
Either a) spirits deconfirm and new franchises are the specific rule or b) popular characters with new mechanics will get in.
Right now, it's currently both but we may possibly see this pattern break if Geno joins the roster. Right now, it's a make-or-break on rules and regulations. We just have to see if the starling does mean what we hope it means.

 

[Ura]

I can think of a few good reasons for why a character being a Spirit isn't as bad as one might think.

- The time in which a character was made a Spirit. Chances are, a lot of characters were made Spirits around that 2016-2017 time frame and were made with the intention of playing a role in WoL, being apart of a summon, and thinking about how their spirit battle would take place. DLC, according to Sakurai wasn't a thing until Jan/Feb 2018.

- The characters from the FP already are very likely to not be Spirits if they weren't fighters to begin with. I doubt Sakurai is going to Atlus or Microsoft to put Joker/Banjo as Spirits if they weren't going to be fighters. And he sure as hell ain't going to SE asking to make the DQ Heroes spirits lol.

- A character being tied to WoL means they're attached to a specific area with a certain theme. In the case for Geno, it was the Space theme.

- A character being a part of a summon. Sakurai and his team just can't replace said character with anyone else in certain cases.

- The time and effort in to making Spirit battles. While not too development intensive, it's still work that they have to outright scrap in the case of "Spirits deconfirm".

So when you consider factors like these, it's not as simple as just "get rid of their Spirit they're going to be DLC". Sometimes, the work associated with doing all the above and then having to scrap everything isn't worth it. It would mean having to change things up which means more development time; a nuisance for the development team in the grand scheme of things given how much work there is creating the entire game itself. Why bother with that when you can leave the work you did in there and not have it go to waste? I would think this is similar to why they kept Mewtwo & Lucas' trophies in Smash 4 even after their inclusion.

So yeah, maybe the "Spirits deconfirm" camp should outta consider this. It's not as straightforward as getting rid of a PNG instantly. At the very least, it's not as damning as one might think it might be.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I also gotta say I don't buy that Kaptain K. Rool counts as a separate character for the purposes of his spirit, when lore-wise it's the same bloody character with a bicorne and a blunderbuss. It beggars belief that people will ignore this basic fact in order to make it better fit the assumption that spirits and characters cannot overlap.

You'd think there'd be only one person in the world that would be fooled by his costume and that would be the guy who wrote the trophy description for Rool in Brawl.

In addition, the reason why Eight seems to be the most popular Hero alt is not only because he’s the coolest looking and has a goddamn mouse in his pocket, but also probably because he’s the DQ Hero that pretty much embodies DQ’s entrance into the west.

Fun fact, Eight’s game was the first to use the title “Dragon Quest” internationally, and not just Dragon Warrior in the states

Also also, he potentially has a greater chance than the others for having a support member from his party getting accepted at one point. The only other heroes who come even close to that are Solo (whose party has some of the most popular party members period) and the FS-present Madason (who did get modern exposure via DQ Heroes (albeit only through his potential wives) and his movie deal).

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

You'd think there'd be only one person in the world that would be fooled by his costume and that would be the guy who wrote the trophy description for Rool in 4.

You mean Brawl

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You'd think there'd be only one person in the world that would be fooled by his costume and that would be the guy who wrote the trophy description for Rool in Brawl

The idea of them being separate is a Western thing only. If it's a Western person doing it, it's an easy mistake.

It even exists in the DKC cartoon. Some might know stuff solely from that(which is unfortunate, since Cranky isn't as cool there. As well as Dixie is pretty pointless in it. Though the Kremlings(including K. Rool himself) are actually very entertaining).

 

[osby]

We have Spirits of literal inanimate objects, which I guess I’m now supposed to believe have souls based on the game’s storyline.

Certain cultures do believe that inanimate objects can have souls, notably Shintoism.

Not that it means much in terms of speculation.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The idea of them being separate is a Western thing only. If it's a Western person doing it, it's an easy mistake.

It even exists in the DKC cartoon. Some might know stuff solely from that(which is unfortunate, since Cranky isn't as cool there. As well as Dixie is pretty pointless in it. Though the Kremlings(including K. Rool himself) are actually very entertaining).

When the games have what's klearly the same krocodile but Nintendo doesn't kare.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

People will come up with any justification to suit their bias. They say you can't have a side character in, but forget that falco lombardi is already in the game. And I'm certain that there is a justification as to why that's ok, but geno isn't. (Maybe it's because he hasn't been in a game in longer)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Certain cultures do believe that inanimate objects can have souls, notably Shintoism.

Not that it means much in terms of speculation.

I'm pretty sure that no sane person would want the Subspace Bomb to be playable. Granted, some do want Sandbag playable, so what do I know?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People will come up with any justification to suit their bias. They say you can't have a side character in, but forget that falco lombardi is already in the game. And I'm certain that there is a justification as to why that's ok, but geno isn't. (Maybe it's because he hasn't been in a game in longer)

Funny part is Geno is more important to the plot than Falco is to Star Fox 64. It helps that both are actual main characters, though. The story revolves around team Star Fox in general, after all. I'd say ones like Kat are more of a side character.

When the games have what's klearly the same krocodile but Nintendo doesn't kare.

They did at least change up the designs so the three Kremlings(of K. Rool's team) use different models for each. Kaptain K. Rool isn't a swap of King K. Rool in the show. Though he's also called Captain Skurvy, but is pretty much the same core concept.