Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

They did at least change up the designs so the three Kremlings(of K. Rool's team) use different models for each. Kaptain K. Rool isn't a swap of King K. Rool in the show. Though he's also called Captain Skurvy, but is pretty much the same core concept.

Except for one thing. Kanon exists as an enemy and is clearly who Skurvy is based on. You're thinking of Kutlass, who is just a K. Rool palette swap in the show.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Except for one thing. Kanon exists as an enemy and is clearly who Skurvy is based on. You're thinking of Kutlass, who is just a K. Rool palette swap in the show.

I'm suggesting Skurby is overall based upon Kaptain K. Rool's persona, to be clear. Didn't know Kanon exists, so never mind on that.

I was actually saying that they switched around what character was what, though I couldn't figure out a way to word it well.

 

[papagenos]

Has papagenos covered this “Starling” leak yet? I’m highly anticipating his video on post Hero Smash speculation

I did but only briefly and basically just said I don't have any strong guesses for what it could mean.

As for the lack of Geno Mii Costume, it is giving me hope for Geno again. Although I'm fairly satisfied with the roster at this point so I'd rather not build up expectations and end up feeling disappointed by a game I am actually not disappointed with... Anyway hoping we get Geno here!

 

[T2by4]

I know it's a stretch but... I feel like it'd be weird if they kept the individual dlc on the smash website down to just one character. Perhaps geno could also be a part of the individual dlc? It just seems weird to only have ONE character in that section.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If Geno is in the pass, who the heck would be individual DLC then? There's no lack of first-party characters who could fit that criteria (besides the inevitable Pokémon).

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I did but only briefly and basically just said I don't have any strong guesses for what it could mean.

As for the lack of Geno Mii Costume, it is giving me hope for Geno again. Although I'm fairly satisfied with the roster at this point so I'd rather not build up expectations and end up feeling disappointed by a game I am actually not disappointed with... Anyway hoping we get Geno here!

Fair enough I suppose, still though, no harm in throwing down some speculation. That's half the fun, after all

 

[NessAtc.]

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On the other hand, spirits have spirit battles attached to them, plus many of them are placed throughout World of Light. DLC was planned without Sakurai's knowledge. If Sakurai was suddenly told Geno, Isaac, or any other character was to be DLC, would he *really* cut a spirit battle or an assist trophy just for consistency's sake? Again, there are plenty of spirit battles in the game, so why would you go to the effort of outright removing one when you could just as easily not remove it?

As the saying goes; "99 bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code. Take one down, patch it around, 256000 bugs in the code"

Removing content is sure to create problems with the current builds, so why would they risk removing content and making new issues when they could just leave it in and not have any new issues?

 

[StarLight42]

If Geno is in the pass, who the heck would be individual DLC then? There's no lack of first-party characters who could fit that criteria (besides the inevitable Pokémon).

If Geno is in the pass, then he disproves the notion that Spirits can’t be DLC, meaning we could get Dixie Kong, Bandana Waddle Dee, or even AT upgrades like Isaac or Skull Kid if they really want to do something cra6

 

[maf91186]

Just a small PSA

Let's be sure to be humble in our research. Don't go out bragging that 'Geno is in' to GameSpot, 4chan, etc when we literally have no idea if he is in or not.

I don't want to turn our group into a bunch of Soras and have people despise us just for the sake or being arrogant and obnoxious to others.

Just keep the hype in check and be patient and logical. Don't end up looking like a clown in the event we get Blyth or something. It just provides others with more ammunition and creates a Plant Gang 2.0 scenario.

I strongly believe we are better than that.

Please, stop.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I always thought they could replace Shovel Knight with Black Knight if they were to upgrade his assist trophy.

 

[MajoraMan28]

I'm willing to bet that Sak/Ninty wanted Erdrick to be the guy spearheading Hero's base at first, until the guys at Enix persuaded him/Nintendo to put Luminary in his stead. An alt really seems like a good workaround.

That is pretty much confirmed. All press releases put Erdrick at the forefront in certain instances, and Kirby himself uses Erdrick's crown for his hat, nothing Luminary related. It is obvious that DQ was added for its legacy status.

And on that note, imo, Geno would be the one true fanservice character. Every other inclusion in Ultimate people make a huge deal out of, but forget they are main characters in the core series of major Nintendo franchises already represented in Smash, or are protagonists of franchises that defined or redefined a genre.

 

[NessAtc.]

If Geno is in the pass, who the heck would be individual DLC then? There's no lack of first-party characters who could fit that criteria (besides the inevitable Pokémon).

Waluigi, Lyn, Bandanna Waddle Dee, and Dixie Kong would all fit

and that's just off the top of my head

I always thought they could replace Shovel Knight with Black Knight if they were to upgrade his assist trophy.

We already have the Black Knight as an assist

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

If Geno is in the pass, who the heck would be individual DLC then? There's no lack of first-party characters who could fit that criteria (besides the inevitable Pokémon).

Where do I start? Travis Touchdown, Viewtiful Joe, any number of the myriad fan requests, assist trophy upgrades, the sky's the limit where there's money to be made

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Waluigi, Lyn, Bandanna Waddle Dee, and Dixie Kong would all fit

and that's just off the top of my head

We already have the Black Knight as an assist

I meant Shovel Knight's Black Knight. You know? Red horns, black armor?

 

[Deleted member]

I would deeply love to see Mach Rider as individual DLC, ngl.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If Geno is in the pass, who the heck would be individual DLC then? There's no lack of first-party characters who could fit that criteria (besides the inevitable Pokémon).

I'd argue Bandana Waddle Dee would be perfect for it given how much of a stretch it would have been to give him his own stage, spirits, and music to begin with.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Yeah, no we're not being unfair at all. I don't ever really visit resetera but I did click on the link you posted and anyone who did would have seen a page full of people straight up ****ting on Geno's chances and writing off the idea that the bird leak could involve him in any way. You're characterizing them as rational and reasonable and Sabi framing of the leak as "curious" because it aligns with your irrational animosity for Sabi's source and questioning his and Fatmanonice 's character every chance that you can get. tbh this is just another example of your determination to grasp at any straws that you can to write off Geno's chances for SSBU and be as contrarian as possible for someone who spends so much time on this thread. I admit I usually either ignore it or have a laugh but I'm definitely not cool with you trying to frame me as being "too harsh" when I'm giving a basic description of the link you posted. Especially when people on that thread are making bad faith arguments and purposely mischaracterizing things.

They're really not ****ting on Geno's chances though. There's a grand total of 7 posts on Geno, and all they specifically make fun of are the notions that the absence of the Mii costume means anything and that the bird picture means anything. That's it. They don't go beyond that to criticize anything else, and those are completely valid areas to be critical of. Stop treating everything that isn't Geno positive as "****ting on Geno's chances" and the picture leak is generally not considered a serious matter that hints towards anything Smash related outside of this thread. The worst thing there, is just someone straight up posting what Sabi has said and again, they and no one else has any reason to not believe Sabi at their word after months of listening to them.

I don't have an "irrational animosity" towards Sabi's source or anyone. I have a very legitimate issue with the way they are presenting information that I have laid out in detail multiple times. I don't agree with their methods and they do bother me. It's not an animosity, it's a frustration born out of behavior and I think it's a legitimate grievance. Read my post on that if you still think it's an irrational animosity.

I also am to the point where I think that continuing to call me a contrarian is your own version of bad faith. It's a great way to just dismiss anything I say because you don't feel like it. I have stated at multiple points that I'm not here for that and that I operate with a set of principles that I have developed over time through participation in speculation and my own lived experience. I am a more "moderate" Geno fan so to speak, and I don't like crazy theories, so yes, I end up on the opposing side of many of the points brought up here and I have a right to that in this public forum setting. I've even told you before what it would take to get me excited and into the realm of optimism announcement wise. I know I shouldn't be bringing this up directly in the thread like this, but I feel the need to defend myself and express that I'm tired of the "contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian" label, and that's all I'm going to say on it.

On the other hand, spirits have spirit battles attached to them, plus many of them are placed throughout World of Light. DLC was planned without Sakurai's knowledge. If Sakurai was suddenly told Geno, Isaac, or any other character was to be DLC, would he *really* cut a spirit battle or an assist trophy just for consistency's sake? Again, there are plenty of spirit battles in the game, so why would you go to the effort of outright removing one when you could just as easily not remove it?

As the saying goes; "99 bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code. Take one down, patch it around, 256000 bugs in the code"

Removing content is sure to create problems with the current builds, so why would they risk removing content and making new issues when they could just leave it in and not have any new issues?

I'm not saying it wouldn't take any work to remove a Spirit battle, it certainly would. With how many you have, so many of which don't have a place in World of Light, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say moving things around wouldn't constitute too much difficulty. I mean, we're not talking fundamental pieces of code, we're just talking a really minor piece of content. We also don't really know how involved Sakurai was in the DLC based upon the stuff that came out about Joker from Atlus, so saying it was planned without his knowledge doesn't entirely sit right either. You'd remove them because their big debut in Ultimate is made all the bigger and better with a character reveal rather than a Spirit that causes fan anxiety until the character's release.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Regarding spirits. Well, if I'm not mistaken spirits if characters that are PLAYABLE like Daisy, K. Rool, Wii Fit Trainer, etc appeared AFTER the character was revealed unlike the rest like Geno. So, it might be a wrench thrown into discussion.

Spirits as a whole is a finicky subject and I sincerely hope we get a DLC character (anyone) as part of the Fighter Pass or otherwise JUST to kill the argument that spirits deconfirm.

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[Ura]

Regarding spirits. Well, if I'm not mistaken spirits if characters that are PLAYABLE like Daisy, K. Rool, Wii Fit Trainer, etc appeared AFTER the character was revealed unlike the rest like Geno. So, it might be a wrench thrown into discussion.

Spirits as a whole is a finicky subject and I sincerely hope we get a DLC character (anyone) as part of the Fighter Pass or otherwise JUST to kill the argument that spirits deconfirm.

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Plenty of characters have alternate versions of themselves. All the countless Mario & Link's as Spirits among other characters. That being said, I don't believe that's evidence for Spirits not being a deconfirm. It's pretty much different versions of the playable character.

That being said though, I still believe Spirits aren't a death sentence from what I wrote. I stand by that until the end of DLC.

 

[TheCJBrine]

We also don't really know how involved Sakurai was in the DLC based upon the stuff that came out about Joker from Atlus, so saying it was planned without his knowledge doesn't entirely sit right either. You'd remove them because their big debut in Ultimate is made all the bigger and better with a character reveal rather than a Spirit that causes fan anxiety until the character's release.

Or the relief still makes it bigger and better/they don't consider this. They have no reason to remove it when Sakurai could potentially want something for Geno and Mallow in the base game even when he gets to where he can add Geno as a fighter, plus he already negotiated for it so even though he could renegotiate for a fighter only, he could make things simpler and just have both/add on to the previous negotiations instead of redoing them, and maybe he even thought it'd make some people happy instead of having absolutely nothing. There's literally zero reason it'd actually make more sense to remove it when he could do either.

As for when DLC was known, Sakurai knew about DLC since January last year while the spirits stuff and WoL was likely worked on even during the previous years, so they could've very well asked for Geno, Mallow, Shantae, etc. as Spirits before the DLC stuff and were allowed to do so, and then they decided to just keep both for the reasons I stated. For what Atlus said, it's likely Sakurai met with them and asked them himself even if Nintendo were the ones who had Joker in mind.

 

[Captain Fun]

Yeah, no we're not being unfair at all. I don't ever really visit resetera but I did click on the link you posted and anyone who did would have seen a page full of people straight up ****ting on Geno's chances and writing off the idea that the bird leak could involve him in any way. You're characterizing them as rational and reasonable and Sabi framing of the leak as "curious" because it aligns with your irrational animosity for Sabi's source and questioning his and Fatmanonice 's character every chance that you can get. tbh this is just another example of your determination to grasp at any straws that you can to write off Geno's chances for SSBU and be as contrarian as possible for someone who spends so much time on this thread. I admit I usually either ignore it or have a laugh but I'm definitely not cool with you trying to frame me as being "too harsh" when I'm giving a basic description of the link you posted. Especially when people on that thread are making bad faith arguments and purposely mischaracterizing things.

This is so needlessly abrasive.

The Era thread that was linked isn’t any more dismissive of Geno’s chances than any other place in the internet that isn’t this thread. You’re exaggerating.

 

[NessAtc.]

Okay, let me pose a hypothetical for you all. Imagine a world where we got a Mallow spirit, but not a Geno spirit. That would make the intent extremely obvious. So of course they wouldn't do that. Omitting Geno and Mallow entirely from the game in preparation for DLC also wouldn't sit well, considering Sakurai's spoken on Geno before.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

re: Spirits - wrt a Spirited character becoming playable, you literally don't have to get rid of the spirit - just rename it! Add in parentheses the source of the artwork like they do with the Mario Tennis and other Link and Zelda Spirits. Examples include: "Black Shadow (F-Zero GX)", "Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)", "Shantae (Shantae and the Pirate's Curse)", "Geno (Super Mario RPG)" and so on

and just use either the fighter render for the fighter spirit, or an artwork from a different game they appear in

 

[Datboigeno]

They're really not ****ting on Geno's chances though. There's a grand total of 7 posts on Geno, and all they specifically make fun of are the notions that the absence of the Mii costume means anything and that the bird picture means anything. That's it. They don't go beyond that to criticize anything else, and those are completely valid areas to be critical of. Stop treating everything that isn't Geno positive as "****ting on Geno's chances" and the picture leak is generally not considered a serious matter that hints towards anything Smash related outside of this thread. The worst thing there, is just someone straight up posting what Sabi has said and again, they and no one else has any reason to not believe Sabi at their word after months of listening to them.

They really are though lol. You're like the only person here saying they're not and implying we're the ones mischaracterizing it. It's super obvious that they have a negative bias regarding Geno's chances period. I don't see the point of trying to borderline gaslight and pretend the comments are something that it's not.

I don't have an "irrational animosity" towards Sabi's source or anyone. I have a very legitimate issue with the way they are presenting information that I have laid out in detail multiple times. I don't agree with their methods and they do bother me. It's not an animosity, it's a frustration born out of behavior and I think it's a legitimate grievance. Read my post on that if you still think it's an irrational animosity.

I understand that YOU may not see it as irrational animosity but that's genuinely the way it comes off with the context of what he's actually doing. You see it as legitimate but other people see it as overblown. The guy posts pictures of hints to things that he can't directly talk about to people that he's internet friends with because he knows said hints involve things that they will find exciting. There's literally nothing wrong with that and going off on this person and insinuating they're a bad actor or problematic in any way for it veers to being absurd at times. People have literally had to spell it out to you that it's done for FUN and you still can't wrap your head around it.

I also am to the point where I think that continuing to call me a contrarian is your own version of bad faith. It's a great way to just dismiss anything I say because you don't feel like it. I have stated at multiple points that I'm not here for that and that I operate with a set of principles that I have developed over time through participation in speculation and my own lived experience. I am a more "moderate" Geno fan so to speak, and I don't like crazy theories, so yes, I end up on the opposing side of many of the points brought up here and I have a right to that in this public forum setting. I've even told you before what it would take to get me excited and into the realm of optimism announcement wise. I know I shouldn't be bringing this up directly in the thread like this, but I feel the need to defend myself and express that I'm tired of the "contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian" label, and that's all I'm going to say on it.

You have a right to say what you want and I have a right to point out when the things you say veer into being contrarian. This is one of those times. I don't know how you can post things like "I don't think the Nintendo Direct should have any SSBU information because it gets too much attention" on a Smash forum or "Actually most people probably don't care about the original characters in SMRPG" in a Geno thread and not think that it's going to look contrarian. I do think that you can have some decent insights on things at times. But things like this that you're obviously bringing up to question the legitimacy of what Fatman has been saying with the implication that he's lying when all evidence says otherwise is just too much to for me to not say anything about it.

 

[Nicnac]

Omitting Geno and Mallow entirely from the game in preparation for DLC also wouldn't sit well, considering Sakurai's spoken on Geno before.

Not necessarily. Outside of Cloud's Fighter Spirit, Mallow and Geno, there aren't any SE spirits in base game.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'd argue Bandana Waddle Dee would be perfect for it given how much of a stretch it would have been to give him his own stage, spirits, and music to begin with.

Makes sense, although I argue that he could come with spirits anyway, since there's still a bunch of Kirby art that's missing for no reason.

 

[Datboigeno]

This is so needlessly abrasive.

The Era thread that was linked isn’t any more dismissive of Geno’s chances than any other place in the internet that isn’t this thread. You’re exaggerating.

I would say people intentionally spreading misinformation and taking things out of context to outright dismiss Geno entirely isn't really something that happens "any other place in the internet" but ok lol

 

[NessAtc.]

Not necessarily. Outside of Cloud's Fighter Spirit, Mallow and Geno, there aren't any SE spirits in base game.

...except Sakurai's explicitly spoken on Geno and how cool he thinks he is. Even with the lack of Square content in base game, it would still be extremely weird to just omit Geno.

 

[ColtonS25]

re: Spirits - wrt a Spirited character becoming playable, you literally don't have to get rid of the spirit - just rename it! Add in parentheses the source of the artwork like they do with the Mario Tennis and other Link and Zelda Spirits. Examples include: "Black Shadow (F-Zero GX)", "Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)", "Shantae (Shantae and the Pirate's Curse)", "Geno (Super Mario RPG)" and so on

and just use either the fighter render for the fighter spirit, or an artwork from a different game they appear in

This method just feels like it’s a no-brainer. There are already Spirits who do this (like you said, one that stuck out to me was Link from the original Legend of Zelda). Even if Spirits deconfirm, there’s nothing preventing them from just creating new artwork or using others that exist that aren’t represented in game. They used the phone for Ness’ dad, why can’t they use a star spirit for Geno’s? Or just use fighter artwork. It’s that simple imo.

 

[TheCJBrine]

...except Sakurai's explicitly spoken on Geno and how cool he thinks he is. Even with the lack of Square content in base game, it would still be extremely weird to just omit Geno.

yeah with what Sakurai has said and the fanfare the mii costume got, I'd find it suspicious for him to not have him at all especially if Mallow was in.

The mii costume's fanfare and Sakurai's reason for adding it last time is also why it's so suspicious that it seems to not be coming back this time, it wasn't just about how much he likes Geno but also because of how popular Geno is among fans. His "couldn't get him as a fighter" wording also makes it seem like he actually did try to get him as a fighter last time but couldn't, but I guess this shouldn't be looked into much since it could be his way of avoiding saying that he didn't try...unless...I don't know...

 

[Vector Victor]

I'd argue Bandana Waddle Dee would be perfect for it given how much of a stretch it would have been to give him his own stage, spirits, and music to begin with.

A generic mook? Please, that type will never be playable in Smash Ultimate via DLC.

 

[riggsbass]

yeah with what Sakurai has said and the fanfare the mii costume got, I'd find it suspicious for him to not have him at all especially if Mallow was in.

The mii costume's fanfare and Sakurai's reason for adding it last time is also why it's so suspicious that it seems to not be coming back this time, it wasn't just about how much he likes Geno but also because of how popular Geno is among fans. His "couldn't get him as a fighter" wording also makes it seem like he actually did try to get him as a fighter last time but couldn't, but I guess this shouldn't be looked into much since it could be his way of avoiding saying that he didn't try...unless...I don't know...

I didn't even consider the fanfare from the mii costume, so this is a great point! Even if Geno wasn't a playable character, it doesn't make a lick of sense to omit his COSTUME when he is an admitted fan of the character and people were super excited about it. Really makes ya think.

 

[RingJ5]

Okay, let me pose a hypothetical for you all. Imagine a world where we got a Mallow spirit, but not a Geno spirit. That would make the intent extremely obvious. So of course they wouldn't do that. Omitting Geno and Mallow entirely from the game in preparation for DLC also wouldn't sit well, considering Sakurai's spoken on Geno before.

Similarly, bringing back the Chocobo Hat with Hero would just be incredibly confusing and suspicious if Geno wasn’t there as well.

Honestly, the following is a totally baseless theory, but here’s what I think could’ve happened with Geno and Square:

Brawl Era: “Who the **** is Geno? We own that character? Eh... we’re not really interested.”

4 Era: “Hey, we want to be in Smash now... oh, what’s that? You’re still on about that puppet guy? We can... make him one of those costumes to go along with Cloud, how about that?”

Early Ultimate Era: “...Alright, alright, fine, you can keep Cloud in the base game, but we’ll need new DLC as well. ...Geno? Nah, you can make him one of those Spirit things, let’s go with DQ.”

Late Ultimate Era, after Geno becomes one of the major stars of the Smash hype and speculation scene: “Wait, wait, wait, you’re telling us that people actually want this puppet thing? Seriously? Let’s make a deal, then.”

I 100% believe that if Geno’s happening, it was a very late decision based on renewed popularity from Ultimate hype, where he became an exceedingly common name.

 

[NessAtc.]

I didn't even consider the fanfare from the mii costume, so this is a great point! Even if Geno wasn't a playable character, it doesn't make a lick of sense to omit his COSTUME when he is an admitted fan of the character and people were super excited about it. Really makes ya think.

of course I'd like to note we can't actually be sure that his costume *is* being omitted, we just haven't seen it back yet

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

A generic mook? Please, that type will never be playable in Smash Ultimate via DLC.

Yeah, it's not like people remember them or anything, that's just plain silly.

 

[Firox]

I think people are just tired of fan rules at this point, especially after Ultimate demolished many of them. It feels like fan rules lately are just being used to put down a character's chances that someone doesn't want added. Instead of coming out and just saying 'I don't want X' they come up with rules that range from semi-plausible based off interviews to ones that have zero basis to back them up to prove that character X can't be added.

Fan rules went from personal guides to how people make their roster hopes (ie, '3rd parties might only get the lead character, so odds are lower that secondary ones are possible. I'll update my wishlist.') to almost commandments that people must follow ('3rd parties get one character only forever!') but base it off either vague wording from the developers, or most usually, nothing at all.

And of course, things change. 'Spirits deconfirm' and 'Ridley too big' have almost the same level of usage in character arguments (but of course Ridley's was far longer), and only one actually came from Sakurai, and even that was later changed by him.

To be fair though, the "Ridley too big" rule was actually said by Sakurai himself. He was pretty adamant that shrinking down Ridley would betray his source material. That said, Sakurai decided to literally betray his own statement at the behest of the fans. If we could get a character that Sak himself said COULDN'T get in, then how much better a chance to we have for a character he said he WANTED? The 'Spirits deconfirm' argument, however, is just baseless fan speculation at this point. The precedent has been withheld so far, I'll give it that, but it still doesn't officially deny anyone's chances.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

They really are though lol. You're like the only person here saying they're not and implying we're the ones mischaracterizing it. It's super obvious that they have a negative bias regarding Geno's chances period. I don't see the point of trying to borderline gaslight and pretend the comments are something that it's not.

I understand that YOU may not see it as irrational animosity but that's genuinely the way it comes off with the context of what he's actually doing. You see it as legitimate but other people see it as overblown. The guy posts pictures of hints to things that he can't directly talk about to people that he's internet friends with because he knows said hints involve things that they will find exciting. There's literally nothing wrong with that and going off on this person and insinuating they're a bad actor or problematic in any way for it veers to being absurd at times. People have literally had to spell it out to you that it's done for FUN and you still can't wrap your head around it.

You have a right to say what you want and I have a right to point out when the things you say veer into being contrarian. This is one of those times. I don't know how you can post things like "I don't think the Nintendo Direct should have any SSBU information because it gets too much attention" on a Smash forum or "Actually most people probably don't care about the original characters in SMRPG" in a Geno thread and not think that it's going to look contrarian. I do think that you can have some decent insights on things at times. But things like this that you're obviously bringing up to question the legitimacy of what Fatman has been saying with the implication that he's lying when all evidence says otherwise is just too much to for me to not say anything about it.

I'm not trying to gaslight when I say that they aren't maliciously spreading misinformation and arguing in bad faith. Like I mentioned they have no reason to not take Sabi's word at things when she is the only known entity to ResetERA as a whole and they would only really pay attention to her words. Being misinformed on an issue isn't malicious when that sort of information isn't commonly or even super easily accessible. Even if they have a negative bias, they aren't going beyond being critical/dismissive of specific theories on Geno's inclusion and certainly not to any length that isn't more common place around the internet with these things including our own site. They've talked about Geno multiple times in multiple threads, and it's less a negative bias or a dislike, and more of some apathy, some non-belief in his chances, and some people on board to various degrees with his inclusion. None of which should be demonized.

I'm not going to get into the picture anymore because I realize people are tired of it, but it genuinely bothers me on a fundamental level that we wouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior from any other "leaker," but that we're openly flaunting it because it's our thread involved. I've been told that he could be more forthcoming and his "Bear and Bird" hint directly proves he could be more forthcoming as a source, so yeah, I think I'm well within my rights to approach the situation as I do.

I realize the place I'm in, but I thought we were more open to discussion than that. I don't see why Smash taking a break from the spotlight from a Nintendo Direct or two is a contentious opinion, especially when most of us are fans of many Nintendo products beyond Smash and would like to see them highlighted and focused upon. As for the Super Mario RPG characters, that was in the context of the wider audience of people beyond our thread, which is another important perspective to bring in. I admit I was a little more off the mark with that one, especially in the wake of Dragon Quest's Spirit Board, but I still think it's important to bring that stuff up when we're discussing such things like a Spirit Board (and especially in comparison to Persona 5 where the main party was selected for representation and Super Mario RPG's entire main party already existed in various forms). There's a variety of good topics and thoughts to bring to discussion.

 

[cmbsfm]

Just a small PSA

Let's be sure to be humble in our research. Don't go out bragging that 'Geno is in' to GameSpot, 4chan, etc when we literally have no idea if he is in or not.

I don't want to turn our group into a bunch of Soras and have people despise us just for the sake or being arrogant and obnoxious to others.

Just keep the hype in check and be patient and logical. Don't end up looking like a clown in the event we get Blyth or something. It just provides others with more ammunition and creates a Plant Gang 2.0 scenario.

I strongly believe we are better than that.

Unfortunately there are people who are going to false flag by pretending to be Geno supporters and posting obnoxious threads. Just best to ignore the hate.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I didn't even consider the fanfare from the mii costume, so this is a great point! Even if Geno wasn't a playable character, it doesn't make a lick of sense to omit his COSTUME when he is an admitted fan of the character and people were super excited about it. Really makes ya think.

Not only that but it was literally the only full Square Enix costume and I think the only costume aside from Heihachi that Sakurai bothered to talk about in a presentation.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

A couple weeks ago I discovered the “Ignore” button. From the looks of some of these response posts to blank quotes that I cannot see, I am very thankful that I found this feature