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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Icewolff92

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Uh... no? Nintendo never forced Sakurai to include anyone. If they really did that kind of nasty stuff, I'm sure we would've have seen several characters (like Henry Fleming, Elma, Octoling, etc.) already.
Well, they are the ones with the money so... and like I said earlier. They could easily have given him characters (like Joker) in order to make a deal with him to get a promotional pick, be it Edelgard or a Pokemon, etc without any issue. The I scratch your back, you scratch our expression exist for a reason.

Nintendo has so far only delivered brand-new franchises and fanservice. Until they do otherwise (or someone like Vergeben leaks such), I don't see any reason to throw a shill character near the end.
You are absolutely right. I can understand why people think there will be an only third party fighters pass. But see comment above
Because they were veterans, they didn't need new content. And even if they did need it, surprise! It just goes on my favour where the entire line-up is third-party, since Sakurai didn't care for veterans either, so we might as well not expect any Nintendo characters at all.
Again, its Nintendo chooses those characters. Not Sakurai.


Yes. And not to sound rude to both of you (since I don't want to cause any flame wars), but you guys are playing with possibilities that aren't as likely as you make it look like.
And I don¨t want to be rude to, but you are playing with the possibilities too, which granted is the only thing we can do at this point.

Banjo=On the nose
Bird=Complex
Easy and simple. I already stated why it's Geno beyond just the picture.
And while I agree with your comment that it could point towards Geno, I still find it unhealthy to lower your guard and not have in the back of your head that it can be interpreted for something else. We Geno fans should know by now to not take things for granted.

Like I said before, If I come off as a Mr. Negative or something because I think we should stay on track and be open for the worst-case scenario, then I do apologize. But the reason I try to be level headed and sort of "have you thought about this" is that am afraid of how the thread will react if Geno is not in. Coming here and talk about Geno, discuss the possibility of him getting into Smash, what we think of the character and so forth is one of the things that helps me through the weekends and cope with the PTSD and the lost of two girlfriends, one through a hit and runner and the other one through suicide because of depression that was created because of a miscarrying (and yes she carried my child). It might sound silly but while I stand that the pic (if it means anything) could point towards someone like Edelgard, the reason I trying to point this all out isn¨t because I want her in and hope Geno is not. I try to have a conversation about it so that everyone doesn¨t go all "HE IS IN EVERYONE", and potentially is burned out yet again. That would literally hurt me inside no matter how silly it might sound.
 
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Well we've been burned so many times I think it's in our better interests to not get our hopes up. I like entertaining the ideas of these leaks and all pointing to Geno and I like hoping for the best but that's where I'm personally at right now, Hope for the best and expect the worst but entertaining these ideas is always a fun thing but if someone wants to get their hopes up I'm not going to stop them.
I feel like one thing is not assuming that Geno is 100% going to be a newcomer solely based on these hints and another is coming up with extremely convoluted reasoning as to why the hints are somehow definitively pointing at Edelgard when in reality there's so many details that point to there specifically not being a FE rep in the FP. If someone is super into FE/Edelgard then sure I can understand twisting the information we do have into somehow pointing towards her but if not it just seems borderline masochistic to keep ruminating over details and assuring yourself that they're in her favor when it's not even what you really want and not even what is likely.
 
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Well, they are the ones with the money so... and like I said earlier. They could easily have given him characters (like Joker) in order to make a deal with him to get a promotional pick, be it Edelgard or a Pokemon, etc without any issue. The I scratch your back, you scratch our expression exist for a reason.
But the thing is, Nintendo put money into the entire Smash series. They never forced Sakurai to include anyone. If he wants a third-party character, he has to go through them, and there's not a single instance where he said they forbid him to include a character.

If we knew of such, then things would definitely be different, but all we know is that they gave him a list and negotiated characters last year. Nothing that suggests they went real cold on Sakurai or anything like that.

And I don¨t want to be rude to, but you are playing with the possibilities too, which granted is the only thing we can do at this point.
True, but my issue with your scenarios is that they have little background to rely on, that being Corrin and a sudden need to promote. I brought different arguments as to why the possibilities of a third-party-only line-up are incredibly likely.

And while I agree with your comment that it could point towards Geno, I still find it unhealthy to lower your guard and not have in the back of your head that it can be interpreted for something else. We Geno fans should know by now to not take things for granted.
I'm not lowering my guard at all. I just don't have any need to feel pessimistic about the future. We're not gonna hear about the last two characters for quite a long time, and in that meantime we're just waiting for Hero and Banjo, characters that definitely don't make me feel worried about what's next.
 

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There is a difference between not getting your hopes up and trying your hardest to convince people the hints are pointing to someone else
I feel like one thing is not assuming that Geno is 100% going to be a newcomer solely based on these hints and another is coming up with extremely convoluted reasoning as to why the hints are somehow definitively pointing at Edelgard when in reality there's so many details that point to there specifically not being a FE rep in the FP. If someone is super into FE/Edelgard then sure I can understand twisting the information we do have into somehow pointing towards her but if not it just seems borderline masochistic to keep ruminating over details and assuring yourself that they're in her favor when it's not even what you really want and not even what is likely.
Well I don't think people are trying to say they're definitely pointing towards Edgeguard more so why they have the potential to point towards that character why the hint may not 100% conclusively point towards Geno.

It may be relatively simple and not deep and it may point towards Geno but it may also equally or slightly less so have the potential to point towards a different character like Edgeguard. We don't know and we won't know how deep the hint may be until 1) The NoA source responds or 2) Whatever it was pointing towards is revealed. I say it's pointing towards Geno more so than Edgeguard but we don't know yet and it's unwise to put all our eggs in one basket.

It could point towards a multitude of characters despite how likely it may seem for it pointing towards Geno. We don't know it could be Edgeguard or it may be Geno. I don't really care about this argument anyways so that's my stance at least, We don't know.
 

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I just don't have any need to feel pessimistic about the future
That if anyting is lowering your
guard. Especially since we could get a full blown third party pack without Geno too you know.

But the thing is, Nintendo put money into the entire Smash series. They never forced Sakurai to include anyone. If he wants a third-party character, he has to go through them, and there's not a single instance where he said they forbid him to include a character.

If we knew of such, then things would definitely be different, but all we know is that they gave him a list and negotiated characters last year. Nothing that suggests they went real cold on Sakurai or anything like that.
Yet Sakurai has been open that he don't like the idea of DLC because it lower the options for newcommers and if we get more is all up to Nintendo

True, but my issue with your scenarios is that they have little background to rely on.
Agree to disagree
 
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There's also not a single leaker who says anything Fire Emblem is coming to Smash so I don't know why you're so convinced that's what's happening
There's no credible leakers saying anything Smash related right now to be fair.

The lengths regular posters in the Geno thread will go to try and convince other people in the Geno thread that Geno won't be in the game continues to astound and upset me
Where is anyone even arguing that Geno won't be in the game recently in this thread??? Just because we won't get behind the bird picture doesn't mean we're arguing that he won't be in the game in the same breath. We can support Geno without having to support the theories that pop up. I'll state it again, I don't think much has changed with Geno in a very long while, positive or negative. Hero's presumably another big Square Enix character out of the way, but that will only come more seriously into play if we're getting future DLC in terms of speculation (his former odds would have influenced his chances for a place in the Fighter's Pass if he was to show up there, and those are the ones that haven't changed in some time). I think he's pretty well in the same position since the Mii Costume was revealed 4 years ago and I've yet to see much compelling evidence that suggests much has changed since then other than more fan requests happening, which I think can go either way in terms of improving or hurting his chances depending on what his situation genuinely looks like at this point.

I feel like one thing is not assuming that Geno is 100% going to be a newcomer solely based on these hints and another is coming up with extremely convoluted reasoning as to why the hints are somehow definitively pointing at Edelgard when in reality there's so many details that point to there specifically not being a FE rep in the FP. If someone is super into FE/Edelgard then sure I can understand twisting the information we do have into somehow pointing towards her but if not it just seems borderline masochistic to keep ruminating over details and assuring yourself that they're in her favor when it's not even what you really want and not even what is likely.
I just mostly despise everything inside and out about the "bird picture tease," so I'm pointing out that it's unnecessarily vague and frustrating since it doesn't actually point to anything directly in a meaningful way. I don't think it's something we should be entertaining in this manner and it further legitimizes ****ty "leak" practices that we criticized Vergeben for. It's already enough of a pain to just take statements at face value without any corroborating evidence or proof, being intentionally vague at that point just wastes everybody's time and often patience. The point of highlighting Edelgard as a potential interpretation (or Phoenix Wright or anyone else of note) is to demonstrate the issue with these picture teasers.
 

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There is certainly a difference between pointing out issues with a particular train of thought surrounding an alleged leak in order to keep everyone's head in the game, and "stomping on Geno's hopes" or whatever ridiculous thing someone might say
 

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Nintendo of French just uploaded a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate commercial video, on their YouTube channel, where a son, a father, and daughter joyfully play the game. But if you pause the video of the son is putting the Stitch in the dock at 03...you can see the roster screen is different from the current one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OUT0Eo64w
 

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Nintendo of French just uploaded a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate commercial video, on their YouTube channel, where a son, a father, and daughter joyfully play the game. But if you pause the video of the son is putting the Stitch in the dock at 03...you can see the roster screen is different from the current one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OUT0Eo64w
Looking at that frame carefully, it looks like the roster pre-FP; I don't see Piranha Plant, nor Joker in it.
 

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I'm still kind of bummed that YTMND died earlier this year. There were some great Geno support videos on it back in the day.
What was YTMND?

One thing to keep in mind is that when Sakurai teases the audience, he only does it on the short term, he never plays the long game like most people think he does.

Both times a costume or analogue was used to troll the viewers, the reveal happened immediately afterwards. :ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie: Also, let's not forget how at one point, he started a Smash presentation by going "Super Smash Bros is about Nintendo characters fighting each other. THE END. (Just kidding.)".

So I sincerely doubt that a costume trick would be pulled unless a hypothetical Hero EVO date reveal also had an unveiling for Geno included, or there's no costume shown at all until months later on.
The only time I can recall where Sakurai played the long game was back in Smash 4 when he showed off Ridley's shadow on Pyrosphere in the April, 2014 Smash Direct and didn't show him off as a stage hazard until the 50-Fact Extravaganza Direct in October of that year half a year later

Nintendo of French just uploaded a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate commercial video, on their YouTube channel, where a son, a father, and daughter joyfully play the game. But if you pause the video of the son is putting the Stitch in the dock at 03...you can see the roster screen is different from the current one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OUT0Eo64w
How is it different? Is it the layout of the placement of the slots being moved?
 

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Looking at that frame carefully, it looks like the roster pre-FP; I don't see Piranha Plant, nor Joker in it.
ARe they though? Just looked at a picture of the roster pre-pp and some characters that should be in the far right is on the far left (Ken, Mega Man, Young Link, Ike for example). and characters like Jigglypuff been put down a row.
 

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Inb4 the pic was meant to be a hint towards Nintenbirds, a sequel to Nintendogs and Nintencats.
If it’s Nintenbirds, I sure hope we’d get the option to have an attack bird like this. :laugh:
 
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I was right about The Hero releasing in August. That Summer YouTube video was a mistake.
 

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ARe they though? Just looked at a picture of the roster pre-pp and some characters that should be in the far right is on the far left (Ken, Mega Man, Young Link, Ike for example). and characters like Jigglypuff been put down a row.
Oh god, please tell me they're listening and allowing us to reorganize the roster screen. For the love of all that is holy, I need this like I need air.

I was right about The Hero releasing in August. That Summer YouTube video was a mistake.
Yeah, according to that one ad slip (saw the picture floating around), it's going to be either before or just after August 4th. Remember that Joker's release window was dropped and changed to 'soon' just a bit before he was released.

As for my opinion on the whole situation in-thread, there's nothing wrong with being realistic. I don't see anyone as being overly negative here. I'm of the camp of keeping in mind that we could get the worst possible outcome. I've learned not to expect too much, only to be brutally crushed later. Case in point: Shadow.
 
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I was right about The Hero releasing in August. That Summer YouTube video was a mistake.
I'm also part of the "don't expect a character to release that quickly" club. How on Earth could anyone leave Astral Chain OUT of the Summer ad anyway?

It feels like ages since the last couple times I was right about something. :ultisabelle:

Inb4 the pic was meant to be a hint towards Nintenbirds, a sequel to Nintendogs and Nintencats.
Or a long-awaited Switch port for Hatoful Boyfriend! :4pacman:
 
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If I understand this correctly, even 7/11 is leaking Ultimate stuff now. Has there been anything that hasn't leaked this game by now?
We literally have Mario, Dr. Mario, and Luigi on this roster. Three plumbers.

How do these leaks keep happening?! Do your jobs (or, in Doc's case, side job), you slackers!
 

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I wish we would get proper release dates for these characters. I'm not liking the surprise drops since it could be tomorrow or 4 months from now.
 

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Lol that is great! Either an EVO release or an announcement for a Direct or video in the coming days.

That would be weird if they released Hero right after the tournament. Unless Hero will be available right before... doubtful.

EDIT: Also, this BIRD (UP) pic was dropped early if we consider that the other pictures came through within a week or two of dropping. This one will come true around 3 weeks time? Interesting.
 
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We literally have Mario, Dr. Mario, and Luigi on this roster. Three plumbers.

How do these leaks keep happening?! Do your jobs (or, in Doc's case, side job), you slackers!
Beats me. I blame Waluigi for this, it's his revenge for not being treated seriously by anyone.

 

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I wish we would get proper release dates for these characters. I'm not liking the surprise drops since it could be tomorrow or 4 months from now.
I agree; these out-of-nowhere character drops feel anti-hype, since you have to keep checking to see when they'll get released only to have it happen suddenly while you're out running errands or occupied elsewhere.
 

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Sure, some have more than likely learned it, but for each "calm" I feel like I see at least one "HE IS IN GUYS"... If I come off as a Mr. Negative or something because I think we should stay on track and be open for the worst case scenario, then I do apologize.

But I can¨t help but worry no matter what. Speaking as someone that has PTSD to the point that they compare it to a damaged war veteran because of **** I¨ve seen, lost a girlfriend that committed suicide after miscarrying (yes she carried my child) and another girl I dated died earlier this year because of a hit and runner, you guys are some of my highlights of the week whenever I go here and discuss (sound silly I know.. but that's a fact). I just don¨t want y`all to be burned out and all that packet yet again because we left our guard down
It was really brave of you to talk about all this and I want to say I commend you for it. Healing is hard and so is opening up so, even though a lot of us are kind of just white text and cartoon pictures to each other on the surface, I appreciate that raw and utterly human honesty you shared here.
 

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They release characters when they're ready. People would only get more angry when a planned specific release date for someone isn't met, and the goalpost gets moved.

Which is likely, people already got buttmad when a Mother fangame got delayed from its initial release date some years ago.

Besides, don't people want to be surprised anymore? It's like if you were told in advance that people would surprise you for your birthday party, wouldn't be a surprise anymore, would it.
 
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Yeah...I made a mistake. I went back a frame a bit, and saw there were no Miis, PP, or Joker. Sorry, if I caused some confusion.
 

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I agree; these out-of-nowhere character drops feel anti-hype, since you have to keep checking to see when they'll get released only to have it happen suddenly while you're out running errands or occupied elsewhere.
Happened to me while I was finishing work and my phone was blowing up. Lord, trying to finish work proper, but you gotta get that Joker!
 

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With August 4th being the day the sign has to be removed by, it stands within reason that there would be a few day period that the sign is there post-Hero's release. August 4th is a Sunday, anyway

We can safely discount Nintendo releasing a character on the weekend as I don't think that's ever happened before. We tend to get things within the Tuesday-Thursday range meaning August 1st would be our absolute latest day if things continue as they have. If it releases before noon on August 1st it will still be July 31st in North America.

But I believe it's more realistic that the ad was only paid for for 10 days and that's why it's being removed on the 4th. I still expect Hero before the 31st.
 

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It was really brave of you to talk about all this and I want to say I commend you for it. Healing is hard and so is opening up so, even though a lot of us are kind of just white text and cartoon pictures to each other on the surface, I appreciate that raw and utterly human honesty you shared here.
Thanks man
 

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It still doesn't make any sense why the video was mostly July releases and an update if it was summer and not feature any titles beyond July. If the DQ heroes are indeed releasing before August 4th, it makes no sense why Astral Chain and other August titles were left out.
 

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I will say that the Geno fanbase is used to getting burned. I was pretty much the face of the Geno fanbase during the Brawl speculation days. My thread in Nsider, Operation: Star of Heaven, got a lot of attention and ultimately turned into a 128 page portfolio that double digits amounts of people worked on that I took to Nintendo of Japan in the summer of 2006, a few weeks after E3. I left it with a receptionist and I have no idea if anyone important ever got it. I used to post sprawling theories about Geno coming to Brawl so it was personally devestating when he wasn't in the game at all. I blamed myself for getting people's hopes up which is why I backed off significantly in the Smash 4 days. The thing is though, that Nintendo World article in 2016 changed everything. After 8 years, it was basically confirmed that every seemingly insane theory that I had about Geno in the Brawl wound up being right. It was a monstrous relief but the hurt from those days still honestly lingers.
 

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I wish we would get proper release dates for these characters. I'm not liking the surprise drops since it could be tomorrow or 4 months from now.
I dislike seasonal dates as the range is too broad. They can release Hero Sept 21 since that is still technically summer. Same with Banjo on Dec 18th. That's still Fall.

It feels like a rip-off.
 

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I will say that the Geno fanbase is used to getting burned. I was pretty much the face of the Geno fanbase during the Brawl speculation days. My thread in Nsider, Operation: Star of Heaven, got a lot of attention and ultimately turned into a 128 page portfolio that double digits amounts of people worked on that I took to Nintendo of Japan in the summer of 2006, a few weeks after E3. I left it with a receptionist and I have no idea if anyone important ever got it. I used to post sprawling theories about Geno coming to Brawl so it was personally devestating when he wasn't in the game at all. I blamed myself for getting people's hopes up which is why I backed off significantly in the Smash 4 days. The thing is though, that Nintendo World article in 2016 changed everything. After 8 years, it was basically confirmed that every seemingly insane theory that I had about Geno in the Brawl wound up being right. It was a monstrous relief but the hurt from those days still honestly lingers.
The fact that the fight has been this strong and this passionate without any fruit (yet) is ridiculously painful to hear, not gonna lie, but it's also nice to know that our support hasn't fallen on deaf ears. Geno was, still has, and always will be supported. I think that dry period with Smash 4 was a period when a lot of Geno fans felt so burned that support was next to nothing, but after Sakurai vindicated everyone in the Brawl era of speculation, I think Geno's fans are just going to be stronger than ever, no matter what.

I will never give up the fight to see my boy return with Mallow in tow.
 

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I will say that the Geno fanbase is used to getting burned. I was pretty much the face of the Geno fanbase during the Brawl speculation days. My thread in Nsider, Operation: Star of Heaven, got a lot of attention and ultimately turned into a 128 page portfolio that double digits amounts of people worked on that I took to Nintendo of Japan in the summer of 2006, a few weeks after E3. I left it with a receptionist and I have no idea if anyone important ever got it. I used to post sprawling theories about Geno coming to Brawl so it was personally devestating when he wasn't in the game at all. I blamed myself for getting people's hopes up which is why I backed off significantly in the Smash 4 days. The thing is though, that Nintendo World article in 2016 changed everything. After 8 years, it was basically confirmed that every seemingly insane theory that I had about Geno in the Brawl wound up being right. It was a monstrous relief but the hurt from those days still honestly lingers.
I wasn't a hardcore Geno fan back in the day, but I know that the newer people trying to spare us all the hurt of being overhyped for what could potentially be nothing aren't dealing with fragile people.
 

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I dislike seasonal dates as the range is too broad. They can release Hero Sept 21 since that is still technically summer. Same with Banjo on Dec 18th. That's still Fall.

It feels like a rip-off.
I doubt it will take that long for both to get released. Especially concidering they had a head start with both concidering they had the stuff to show with both. At worse, we are getting an early/mid-August for Hero and maybe late September for Banjo.


I will never give up the fight to see my boy return with Mallow in tow.
Neither will I.. neither will I
 

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Nintendo of French just uploaded a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate commercial video, on their YouTube channel, where a son, a father, and daughter joyfully play the game. But if you pause the video of the son is putting the Stitch in the dock at 03...you can see the roster screen is different from the current one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OUT0Eo64w
LOL "a son, a father and daughter joyfully playing the game"? Ah, the utopic vision of advertising. We all know in real life the dad would be utterly destroying those kids, what with his 20+ years of experience. The kids thought that playing on a team would give them an advantage against him, but they didn't realize that he turned on friendly fire. Every attempt by the daughter to spam turnips quickly turned sour, tilting her brother as he struggled to avoid his dad's bowser. After getting command grabbed to death for the fifth time, the kids' cries finally illicit mom's wrath. She starts relentlessly nagging the dad about why the trash still hasn't been taken out and why they can't all just "get along"....Good times. Personally, I think this scenario would grab peoples' attention a lot better. ;)
 
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