Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Nemuresu]

That is the million dollar question. Why is the picture so drastically different from the others?

Actually thinking about it, knowing this is Sabi's BIG source, could someone higher up have caught wind of them? Think about it for a moment. Sabi gets a C&D and can not talk about Nintendo stuff now. It would not surprise me if they dug deeper into Sabi's prior info and found out that they have an in working at Nintendo. MAYBE they are hunkering down hard on people where the guy works, thus had to do a different approach.

My honest thoughts are that the answer is a lot simpler than some think. What could it be? If it's Smash we're talking about, I don't have any reason to not think it's Geno; the association is too simple, which makes sense when comparing it to the other animal pictures. If it's something else, I don't know, I'm not a bird expert.

I know some here have been discussing it may be Fire Emblem, but I don't imagine that being the case because of a lot of stuff I've talked about before regarding this Pass. Some claim that because they don't want to feel enraged if it happens, but I've been afraid of irony biting me in the *** since this game was announced, and so far, nothing ever really accomplished that, and I'd rather remain optimistic when it comes to these last two characters being worth people's money.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

Thanks, man. I do my best to keep on doing even if its not easy to say the least.

Yeah it must be unbelievably hard but I'm glad you're hanging in there dude.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

My honest thoughts are that the answer is a lot simpler than some think. What could it be? If it's Smash we're talking about, I don't have any reason to not think it's Geno; the association is too simple, which makes sense when comparing it to the other animal pictures. If it's something else, I don't know, I'm not a bird expert.

I know some here have been discussing it may be Fire Emblem, but I don't imagine that being the case because of a lot of stuff I've talked about before regarding this Pass. Some claim that because they don't want to feel enraged if it happens, but I've been afraid of irony biting me in the *** since this game was announced, and so far, nothing ever really accomplished that, and I'd rather remain optimistic when it comes to these last two characters being worth people's money.

You. I like you.

 

[Ovaltine]

Is this a joke? That's been suggested dozens of times in here

I've seen the Three Houses association, but not in terms of when Hero would release (rather, the opposite with people thinking there's no way they'd coincide). If it's been brought up, I'm a dumbass and didn't remember it. :')

 

[ivanlerma]

Sure, some have more than likely learned it, but for each "calm" I feel like I see at least one "HE IS IN GUYS"... If I come off as a Mr. Negative or something because I think we should stay on track and be open for the worst case scenario, then I do apologize.

But I can¨t help but worry no matter what. Speaking as someone that has PTSD to the point that they compare it to a damaged war veteran because of **** I¨ve seen, lost a girlfriend that committed suicide after miscarrying (yes she carried my child) and another girl I dated died earlier this year because of a hit and runner, you guys are some of my highlights of the week whenever I go here and discuss (sound silly I know.. but that's a fact). I just don¨t want y`all to be burned out and all that packet yet again because we left our guard down

…….

 

[Icewolff92]

My honest thoughts are that the answer is a lot simpler than some think. What could it be? If it's Smash we're talking about, I don't have any reason to not think it's Geno; the association is too simple, which makes sense when comparing it to the other animal pictures. If it's something else, I don't know, I'm not a bird expert.

Because of the Star part of the name? Because if the picture is truly mean to be on the nose, then it's literally Edelgard vs Geno. concidering bird + house vs star+ling.

…….

?

 

[AugustusB]

My honest thoughts are that the answer is a lot simpler than some think. What could it be? If it's Smash we're talking about, I don't have any reason to not think it's Geno; the association is too simple, which makes sense when comparing it to the other animal pictures. If it's something else, I don't know, I'm not a bird expert.

I know some here have been discussing it may be Fire Emblem, but I don't imagine that being the case because of a lot of stuff I've talked about before regarding this Pass. Some claim that because they don't want to feel enraged if it happens, but I've been afraid of irony biting me in the *** since this game was announced, and so far, nothing ever really accomplished that, and I'd rather remain optimistic when it comes to these last two characters being worth people's money.

And I absolutely agree. I just like thinking of possible narratives :D

Comparing to the others, yeah, the simplest answer would be Geno. Star + ling = Geno. Everything else takes a smidgen more work, even it is still a simple answer.

 

[ivanlerma]

Ice, I didn't know that jeez i'm sorry.

Edit:does this count as double posting?

 

[Nemuresu]

Because of the Star part of the name?


?

It's called a starling for a reason. You don't need symbolism to explain the association between a crab and the Zelda enemy, nor do you need to associate a bear with Banjo. So why would it be needed here?

 

[Icewolff92]

It's called a starling for a reason. You don't need symbolism to explain the association between a crab and the Zelda enemy, nor do you need to associate a bear with Banjo. So why would it be needed here?

Like I said in my edit. If this truly is meant to be on the nose, it truly boils down to Edelgard vs Geno concidering Bird + House vs Star+ling. Like I¨ve said earlier, I hope for the latter but would unfortunately not count out the chance of Nintendo putting her or Byleth in concidering how much they push the franchise. I don¨t trust Nintendo that there is not in the realm of impossibility for a shill pick, be it Edelgard/Byleth, Generation 8 Pokemon or the Astral Chain protagonist.

 

[Rohanx17]

I'd like to think its for geno since everything around it seems to be aligned in his favor but as things have been aligning in his favor since the costume and we still have nothing I'm not going to count on it just yet. that said I simply can't believe it's edelgard after the rex thing and coupling that with another corrin style rep just seems almost nonsensical to me. I'd honestly back it being something we never considered or a different game entirely before a 3H rep

 

[xpnc]

It's called a starling for a reason. You don't need symbolism to explain the association between a crab and the Zelda enemy, nor do you need to associate a bear with Banjo. So why would it be needed here?

the king in the thread
the king in the thread
the king in the thread

 

[Icewolff92]

Ice, I didn't know that jeez i'm sorry.

Edit:does this count as double posting?

No it don¨t, and thanks

Also, do I need to point out that, if we go by the trend of "being obvious hint", going back towards them that said "it should have been an eagle if Edelgard... Shouldn¨t it be a picture of Pinnochio for Geno then?

 

[valkiriforce]

If Rex and Pyra couldn't make it in I don't see why they would choose to go with yet another Fire Emblem character all over again, even after the whole thing with Corrin. Granted it's not freakin' impossible but bear with me in the point I'm trying to make.

I really want it to be Geno this time, and if I go down in flames...BURN BABY BURN

 

[Icewolff92]

If Rex and Pyra couldn't make it in I don't see why they would choose to go with yet another Fire Emblem character all over again, even after the whole thing with Corrin. Granted it's not freakin' impossible but bear with me in the point I'm trying to make.

They are marketing the game pretty hard, and since Heroes, they are doing their best to make FE one of their Mount Rushmores of franchises. It could be a simple thing of Nintendo adding one for the latter reason.

But if it takes a 3H rep to get Geno in through DLC, then so be it if you know what I mean.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If Rex and Pyra couldn't make it in I don't see why they would choose to go with yet another Fire Emblem character all over again, even after the whole thing with Corrin. Granted it's not freakin' impossible but bear with me in the point I'm trying to make.

I really want it to be Geno this time, and if I go down in flames...BURN BABY BURN

The point doesn't mean much when Rex and Pyra missed the boat for main game. The boat for DLC is a completely different time setup. Fire Emblem Three Houses is actually in the right timing to get a DLC character. Doesn't mean they will, but the comparison makes no sense.

Rex and Pyra are not good examples of bad timing for DLC. They were bad timing on their own for both base game and DLC. But only for game in the same time window. It was simply being developed at a time where it's too late for the base roster, and too early for the DLC roster. That's not applicable to many other games.

Though the one game I doubt is Astral Chain getting a character. It's an all new game. It might not go well enough to sell a DLC character. I could see Spirits, though.

 

[Icewolff92]

Though the one game I doubt is Astral Chain getting a character. It's an all new game. It might go well enough to sell a DLC character. I could see Spirits, though.

Astral Chain looks so freaking good.

 

[Nemuresu]

Like I said in my edit. If this truly is meant to be on the nose, it truly boils down to Edelgard vs Geno concidering Bird + House vs Star+ling. Like I¨ve said earlier, I hope for the latter but would unfortunately not count out the chance of Nintendo putting her or Byleth in concidering how much they push the franchise. I don¨t trust Nintendo that there is not in the realm of impossibility for a shill pick, be it Edelgard/Byleth, Generation 8 Pokemon or the Astral Chain protagonist.

And here's my response to that feeling:

Spoiler: Long post

First, I'd like to quote a few things I said a few months ago regarding the possibility of all characters being third-party:

*It's my weakest argument, but I honestly think it may have an impact. Let's go back and look at Smash 4's DLC. Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta all had the same content and price as the ones that will be available here: a character, a stage and a bunch of songs; all for 6$, of course that’s just the individual Price and not the Wii U+3DS bundles, but it’s not like that will ever happen here. The fact that they are all third-party should probably be small a sign of that.

*Now, let's check what Nintendo themselves got to offer next year on the game department, to see if there's anything to look after: Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Pokémon Gen 8, Daemon X Machina and Yoshi's Crafted World. With all due honesty, I beg to see what characters do these games can really offer, but I'm going to cover that better in the next argument.

*And then, there's just the overall idea that Nintendo wants these characters to be "must-buys" and bring a whole new level of fun. Where's the fun on another Pokémon or Fire Emblem character who solely exists to persuade people into buying their new game entries? Clearly not something people will be interested in after the whole Corrin fiasco.

And now that I got that out of the way, let's look at this other issues:

*Corrin, unlike Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta; did not offer any stages. You'd think that Sakurai would look into Fates maps to include one, since there's more than enough to work with. But no, he didn't give him a stage, and also relegated a pair of songs into the Colosseum stage. If that doesn't suggest that first-party characters don't have priority as far as new content goes, then it sure feels like it.

*It has been reported that Banjo was negotiated last year. Why does this matter? Because of these reasons:

1. Rex still got omitted from the game, even when DLC was planned ahead of its time. You may not think it matters, but we know for a fact that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 wasn't a failure. You'd think that Nintendo would want to give that game some spotlight in their giant crossover, more so since Joker and Banjo show that they clearly don't care about release dates.
2. Sakurai has mentioned in the past that he wants characters to be as accurate to their original game versions as possible, which is why he talks about the issues he's had with Roy. Hell, even Corrin had his game released in Japan before coming into Smash. Even with Incineroar, Sakurai preferred to first wait until Ultra Sun and Moon's release before deciding to finally add him.
3. This one is playing a lot with speculation on releases and whatnot, but think about this: Three Houses releases in a few days, and by that time, Hero may not be even out. In fact, let's go a little bit further than that, compare that to Dragon Quest XI S, which releases in September, and thus it's more likely that Hero will work as a perfect stand-in for the game's release. If Nintendo really wanted to promote Three Houses so much with Smash, don't you guys think that it would've been smarter for them to release Edelgard/Byleth/whoever close to their game's release rather than about four to six months later? Just saying.

 

[UberPyro64]

If Rex and Pyra couldn't make it in I don't see why they would choose to go with yet another Fire Emblem character all over again, even after the whole thing with Corrin. Granted it's not freakin' impossible but bear with me in the point I'm trying to make.

I really want it to be Geno this time, and if I go down in flames...BURN BABY BURN

I don't think they're worried about Switch characters right now. My theory is when Switch 2 arrives in 2022/2023 (assuming they can keep all the rights to all the guests), they'll have a Deluxe version of Ultimate with all the Switch characters that matter. Let's say Octling (probably an Echo), Rex & Pyra, Byleth, Akira, Sword/Shield Pokemon, the next Monolith Soft game character, and maybe Min Min if they decide to push her since she won the last tournament. This might also be the time we get Dixie Kong and Geno (unless Geno is a bonus fighter for DLC).

Right now, I think it's all about adding as many gaming icons as possible.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

It's called a starling for a reason. You don't need symbolism to explain the association between a crab and the Zelda enemy, nor do you need to associate a bear with Banjo. So why would it be needed here?

Because you didn't need the species of the crab or of the bear and bird to determine what was going on with those pictures (Well, you needed some super obtuse connection to Link's Awakening, but all that actually mattered was a crab). The precedent of those two pictures isn't the type of bird that's important, it's just generic bird. Even if it's Smash related, Phoenix Wright would work perfectly fine within those criteria. Hell, Edelgard would also work since she belongs to the Black Eagles House in the game. The only way you end up with Geno though, is to decide that this case is different and the exact type of bird is the clue and not the general existence of the bird like past "hints" have been.

I'd like to think its for geno since everything around it seems to be aligned in his favor but as things have been aligning in his favor since the costume and we still have nothing I'm not going to count on it just yet. that said I simply can't believe it's edelgard after the rex thing and coupling that with another corrin style rep just seems almost nonsensical to me. I'd honestly back it being something we never considered or a different game entirely before a 3H rep

Again, I can't emphasize this enough; Rex was just a straight up and down excuse given the fact that Persona 5 came out the exact same year that Xenoblade Chronicles 2. The cutoff was for base game, not for DLC and they just didn't pick Rex for the Fighter's Pass (He was the hardest deconfirm because his costume literally came with the pass too). I don't think we're getting a Three Houses rep, but there's no real cutoff to when fighters had to have games for the DLC roster either that can be used to rule Three Houses out.

If Rex and Pyra couldn't make it in I don't see why they would choose to go with yet another Fire Emblem character all over again, even after the whole thing with Corrin. Granted it's not freakin' impossible but bear with me in the point I'm trying to make.

It's a brand that Nintendo is continuing to promote and put confidence behind. That's really all the reason they would need to select a Three Houses rep if they wanted to. Another cool moveset plus a desire for a promotional pick would really be all that's needed to end up with another Fire Emblem character. Again, I don't expect it, but it's always made sense why Nintendo might want another Fire Emblem character in Ultimate even with 7 already.

 

[cheeseseatbelt]

Hi everyone. Sorry to derail the conversation, but I was looking through YouTube videos when I came across this one Google document about a really old youtube video starring geno around when brawl came out. Look here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12ftI5nup1fQMZZB7WPMLrzUwZd8HBDOI/view

Has anyone seen this video, and can they verify if it's real? And if the video is real, does anyone have a copy of it? Cheers

 

[Nemuresu]

Because you didn't need the species of the crab or of the bear and bird to determine what was going on with those pictures (Well, you needed some super obtuse connection to Link's Awakening, but all that actually mattered was a crab). The precedent of those two pictures isn't the type of bird that's important, it's just generic bird. Even if it's Smash related, Phoenix Wright would work perfectly fine within those criteria. Hell, Edelgard would also work since she belongs to the Black Eagles House in the game. The only way you end up with Geno though, is to decide that this case is different and the exact type of bird is the clue and not the general existence of the bird like past "hints" have been.

And the problem there is that the bear and bird were easy to deduce. They cryptic, but very straight-to-the-point. If it were Phoenix, why use a bird instead of, you know, a lawyer? And if it were Edelgard, why a tiny bird? Black eagles exist in real life, so it's not like this guy couldn't come up with that.

 

[Icewolff92]

1. Rex still got omitted from the game, even when DLC was planned ahead of its time. You may not think it matters, but we know for a fact that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 wasn't a failure. You'd think that Nintendo would want to give that game some spotlight in their giant crossover, more so since Joker and Banjo show that they clearly don't care about release dates.
2. Sakurai has mentioned in the past that he wants characters to be as accurate to their original game versions as possible, which is why he talks about the issues he's had with Roy. Hell, even Corrin had his game released in Japan before coming into Smash. Even with Incineroar, Sakurai preferred to first wait until Ultra Sun and Moon's release before deciding to finally add him.
3. This one is playing a lot with speculation on releases and whatnot, but think about this: Three Houses releases in a few days, and by that time, Hero may not be even out. In fact, let's go a little bit further than that, compare that to Dragon Quest XI S, which releases in September, and thus it's more likely that Hero will work as a perfect stand-in for the game's release. If Nintendo really wanted to promote Three Houses so much with Smash, don't you guys think that it would've been smarter for them to release Edelgard/Byleth/whoever close to their game's release rather than about four to six months later? Just saying.

1. Check what Ahm wrote above
2. You do know that he added in Greninja based on concept art? Also, Nintendo is the one that chose the DLC, not Sakurai. Heck... if Edelgard or Byleth is in, I wouldn¨t be surprised if Joker (and hopefully Geno) were a bone they throw to Sakurai for the sake of adding one in. Also, if a 3H rep comes in winter, there will be no problem what so ever to add a stage, music, and spirits
3. The game being released this week is the only thing that could is the only thing that is any real argument against a 3H rep. However,

It's a brand that Nintendo is continuing to promote and put confidence behind. That's really all the reason they would need to select a Three Houses rep if they wanted to. Another cool moveset plus a desire for a promotional pick would really be all that's needed to end up with another Fire Emblem character. Again, I don't expect it, but it's always made sense why Nintendo might want another Fire Emblem character in Ultimate even with 7 already.

And the problem there is that the bear and bird were easy to deduce. They cryptic, but very straight-to-the-point. If it were Phoenix, why use a bird instead of, you know, a lawyer? And if it were Edelgard, why a tiny bird? Black eagles exist in real life, so it's not like this guy couldn't come up with that.

With your logic, why didn¨t the source use a picture of Pinocchio then if it's so clearly Geno?

 

[valkiriforce]

Keep in mind we're talking about the Fighter's Pass, which has largely revolved on the basis of people buying the pass in good faith that it'll pay off with a good character selection. I doubt Sakurai and company would want to shove another FE rep on an already well-represented franchise, especially given that Sakurai didn't want to put another one in with exception for Corrin in Smash 4 and Chrom as an echo for Ultimate - not to mention his dislike for having to work on a DLC lineup for what people otherwise have no idea of the characters that are making the pass. So far it's been third-party characters that have been generating hype and are making the cut so I trust it'll continue in like manner. Of course all it would take is one slot to go to a first party character to suddenly break the trend, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

And the problem there is that the bear and bird were easy to deduce. They cryptic, but very straight-to-the-point. If it were Phoenix, why use a bird instead of, you know, a lawyer? And if it were Edelgard, why a tiny bird? Black eagles exist in real life, so it's not like this guy couldn't come up with that.

Yeah, bear and bird is on the nose. Crab for Link's Awakening is not. The species of crab didn't matter. The species of the specific bear and bird did not matter either. I don't see any reason for species of bird to matter and the only reason Starling was ever even connected was because we had an avid bird watcher here who could identify the one in the picture. Most people don't know bird species, even basic ones, so it's not straight to the point at all. How many of us would have been able to identify that bird as a Starling without help? Very few people here would have ever gotten that.

Even if the "bird picture" turns out to have been intended as a hint for Geno, I still think this is a gross and bull**** way of doing things honestly. There's nothing straight forward about putting out pictures as "hints" and pushing a community to solve some sort of puzzle to get the "leak."

Keep in mind we're talking about the Fighter's Pass, which has largely revolved on the basis of people buying the pass in good faith that it'll pay off with a good character selection. I doubt Sakurai and company would want to shove another FE rep on an already well-represented franchise, especially given that Sakurai didn't want to put another one in with exception for Corrin in Smash 4 and Chrom as an echo for Ultimate - not to mention his dislike for having to work on a DLC lineup for what people otherwise have no idea of the characters that are making the pass. So far it's been third-party characters that have been generating hype and are making the cut so I trust it'll continue in like manner. Of course all it would take is one slot to go to a first party character to suddenly break the trend, but we'll have to wait and see.

Faith in the Fighter's Pass isn't a really good argument for or against characters as it doesn't have any objective existence and varies from person to person wildly. If you've bought the Fighter's Pass, you ran the risk of ending up with another Fire Emblem character or anyone else you didn't like. I think you're right that it'll continue to be third parties for the Fighter's Pass, but character selection was exactly what everybody gave up the right to when they bought a Fighter's Pass since you paid for the 5 Character Packs no further questions asked.

 

[Icewolff92]

Keep in mind we're talking about the Fighter's Pass, which has largely revolved on the basis of people buying the pass in good faith that it'll pay off with a good character selection. I doubt Sakurai and company would want to shove another FE rep on an already well-represented franchise, especially given that Sakurai didn't want to put another one in with exception for Corrin in Smash 4 and Chrom as an echo for Ultimate - not to mention his dislike for having to work on a DLC lineup for what people otherwise have no idea of the characters that are making the pass. So far it's been third-party characters that have been generating hype and are making the cut so I trust it'll continue in like manner. Of course all it would take is one slot to go to a first party character to suddenly break the trend, but we'll have to wait and see.

Well, it's Nintendo that chose the DLC, and its Nintendo that paid for the game. If they want a first-party, be it Fire Emblem or whatever franchise it is... it, unfortunately, will happen. Could explain why we got Joker of all characters (aka a bone thrown at him in order to get one in as a compromise) as well as Geno hopefully.

 

[Nemuresu]

1. Check what Ahm wrote above

Already read. But it's not like Xenoblade was said and done by the time the DLC. It had different updates and a giant DLC that later on got released as a standalone game. It's not like they would've been promoting a dead game.

2. You do know that he added in Greninja based on concept art?

One character vs two where Sakurai waited for releases first and also two rejects who didn't make it into the base game because of their release dates. You do the math.

Nintendo is the one that chose the DLC, not Sakurai.

Meaningless. Sakurai grabbed whoever he wanted out of their list.

Also, if a 3H rep comes in winter, there will be no problem what so ever to add a stage, music and spirits

And back to Corrin. Where's the Fates stage that should've come with him? The game was already released in Japan, so no excuse to not have given him a dedicated stage.

It's a brand that Nintendo is continuing to promote and put confidence behind. That's really all the reason they would need to select a Three Houses rep if they wanted to.

We could literally say this about tons of different games, yet many either didn't have any representation or waited in the backseat. If Nintendo really wanted a promotional character, they would've had them released close to the game they come from like Hero, not half a year later. They're not that stupid to half-*** a simple stand-in like that.

With your logic, why didn¨t the source use a picture of Pinocchio then if it's so clearly Geno?

Because it's still cryptic, but simple. Again, you don't need symbolism to associate Geno with a starling. You put way too much stuff just to give it a connection to Three Houses. Not to mention, I don't recall anyone saying this leaker used more than just animals, so it's very likely a preference of theirs.

 

[Icewolff92]

Already read. But it's not like Xenoblade was said and done by the time the DLC. It had different updates and a giant DLC that later on got released as a standalone game. It's not like they would've been promoting a dead game.

And yet, Nintendo aren¨t pushing that franchise as much as Fire Emblem and that's a known fact.

One character vs two where Sakurai waited for releases first and also two rejects who didn't make it into the base game because of their release dates. You do the math.

Still doesn¨t change the fact that he is capable of doing it and Nintendo knows it,

Meaningless. Sakurai grabbed whoever he wanted out of their list.

Certainly not meaningless because its Nintendo that pays for the game and pays his work on this game. If they want a shill pick in, they will get a shill pick.Like I said earlier... for what we know, a character like the Joker could easily been a bone thrown at him.

We could literally say this about tons of different games, yet many either didn't have any representation or waited in the backseat. If Nintendo really wanted a promotional character, they would've had them released close to the game they come from like Hero, not half a year later. They're not that stupid to half-*** a simple stand-in like that.

This is Nintendo we are talking about. They are not above the possibility of shill picks, and if the marketing team thinks the reveal of a 3H pic for Smash fits the release of the game, then that will happen.

Because it's still cryptic, but simple. Again, you don't need symbolism to associate Geno with a starling. You put way too much stuff just to give it a connection to Three Houses. Not to mention, I don't recall anyone saying this leaker used more than just animals, so it's very likely a preference of theirs.

So.. when it comes to a character you (and me) wants, it fits the narrative of being cryptic... but when its a character you don¨t want, it certainly can¨t be it because the picture isn¨t plain obvious? Sorry.. but you are reaching here. Also

Yeah, bear and bird is on the nose. Crab for Link's Awakening is not. The species of crab didn't matter. The species of the specific bear and bird did not matter either. I don't see any reason for species of bird to matter and the only reason Starling was ever even connected was because we had an avid bird watcher here who could identify the one in the picture. Most people don't know bird species, even basic ones, so it's not straight to the point at all. How many of us would have been able to identify that bird as a Starling without help? Very few people here would have ever gotten that.

So like I said. No matter how we slice it, it is more than likely Star+ling vs Bird+House.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Already read. But it's not like Xenoblade was said and done by the time the DLC. It had different updates and a giant DLC that later on got released as a standalone game. It's not like they would've been promoting a dead game.


One character vs two where Sakurai waited for releases first and also two rejects who didn't make it into the base game because of their release dates. You do the math.


Meaningless. Sakurai grabbed whoever he wanted out of their list.


And back to Corrin. Where's the Fates stage that should've come with him? The game was already released in Japan, so no excuse to not have given him a dedicated stage.


We could literally say this about tons of different games, yet many either didn't have any representation or waited in the backseat. If Nintendo really wanted a promotional character, they would've had them released close to the game they come from like Hero, not half a year later. They're not that stupid to half-*** a simple stand-in like that.


Because it's still cryptic, but simple. Again, you don't need symbolism to associate Geno with a starling. You put way too much stuff just to give it a connection to Three Houses. Not to mention, I don't recall anyone saying this leaker used more than just animals, so it's very likely a preference of theirs.

Well, Roy's game also wasn't out when he was included in Melee, so there have been two examples of fighters being developed before their game was released. There's also an extremely good chance that Corrin was decided upon before Fates released in Japan given that he was a unique newcomer and Fates released in June 2015 (We know Bayonetta was started at least in April of that year in some form).

Corrin's lack of a stage doesn't mean anything at all either. Corrin didn't come with a stage. A Three Houses rep would come with a stage if part of the Fighter's Pass because that was the content promised with each Challenger Pack. Completely different circumstances for the characters as Smash 4 never promised stages with every unique fighter or had such a clear DLC plan.

And there's zero way of knowing how the DLC was really chosen. Maybe Sakurai had 5 lists and he had to choose one from each. Maybe he got offered third parties for four of the five packs, and had to find a first party with an upcoming release for the other one. Maybe it was just one big list. The DLC selection process this time around is shrouded in the most mystery of pretty much any Smash content in some time.

Promotional characters can come at any time too, there's nothing indicating they have launch close to the main game's launch. Nintendo doesn't really drop their game prices much anyway, so they'll be more than happy with future promotion since it just leads to more sales and perhaps even picks them back up after they taper post launch. It's also worth noting that Fire Emblem Three Houses has a Season Pass as well, so it could potentially act as promotion to that content as well post launch (You used this exact point when referencing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 as "not a dead game.")

 

[Nemuresu]

And yet, Nintendo aren¨t pushing that franchise as much as Fire Emblem and that's a known fact.

Nintendo also pushed Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and their last Splatfest all the way into the end, and the former is going to have DLC all the way into next year. How much means nothing.

Still doesn¨t change the fact that he is capable of doing it and Nintendo knows it,

He can, but why should we expect him to?

Certainly not meaningless because its Nintendo that pays for the game and pays his work on this game. If they want a shill pick in, they will get a shill pick.Like I said earlier... for what we know, a character like the Joker could easily been a bone thrown at him.

If they wanted a shill pick, then why haven't we seen one already? We're already halfway through with the characters and they're yet to show anything promotional for their own stuff. You act like if Fire Emblem is the only thing that they care about.

This is Nintendo we are talking about. They are not above the possibility of shill picks

They're not above that, but they're not idiots to not organize a proper stand-in either. If they wanted a shill pick, they'd be smart enough to have it close to the game's release.

So.. when it comes to a character you (and me) wants, it fits the narrative of being cryptic... but when its a character you don¨t want, it certainly can¨t be it because the picture isn¨t plain obvious? Sorry.. but you are reaching here. Also


So like I said. No matter how we slice it, it is more than likely Star+ling vs Bird+House.

I'm not saying it fits the narrative. But the association is too complex to be the case, that's what I'm arguing for.

Well, Roy's game also wasn't out when he was included in Melee, so there have been two examples of fighters being developed before their game was released.

And Sakurai also regrets doing him because of how different his personality is compared to the game he comes from.

There's also an extremely good chance that Corrin was decided upon before Fates released in Japan given that he was a unique newcomer and Fates released in June 2015 (We know Bayonetta was started at least in April of that year in some form).

And Ultra Sun and Moon came a year before Smash released, so Sakurai had to get working on Incineroar in a relatively short time period. IIRC, Corrin's data was included into Smash 4 in July, so he can definitely make characters in less than a year.

Corrin's lack of a stage doesn't mean anything at all either. Corrin didn't come with a stage. A Three Houses rep would come with a stage if part of the Fighter's Pass because that was the content promised with each Challenger Pack. Completely different circumstances for the characters as Smash 4 never promised stages with every unique fighter or had such a clear DLC plan.

Promising means little when the character itself had brand-new content to work with. Sakurai didn't need to give Ryu, Cloud and Bayo any stages either, but he did.

It's also worth noting that Fire Emblem Three Houses has a Season Pass as well, so it could potentially act as promotion to that content as well post launch (You used this exact point when referencing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 as "not a dead game.")

And why should DLC of all things be promoted? No character in Smash existed to promote that ever.

 

[Icewolff92]

He can, but why should we expect him to?

Because Nintendo could easily force him to.

If they wanted a shill pick, then why haven't we seen one already? We're already halfway through with the characters and they're yet to show anything promotional for their own stuff. You act like if Fire Emblem is the only thing that they care about.

Did you even read my and EricTheGamerman points about that? And have you missed that I have pointed out that if not Fire Emblem, I wouldn¨t be so shocked if a Generation 8 Pokemon or Astral Chain gets in? The reason I point out just Fire Emblem is that picture.

Promising means little when the character itself had brand-new content to work with. Sakurai didn't need to give Ryu, Cloud and Bayo any stages either, but he did.

He didn¨t give Roy, Lucas, and Mewtwo a stage either, so your point is?

I'm not saying it fits the narrative. But the association is too complex to be the case, that's what I'm arguing for.

You are flipflopping here. You go from "it has to be something on the nose" to "the association is to complex" (which basically what was going on about the argument about Geno vs Edelgard in the first place) Non of us wouldn¨t even have known what type of bird this is if it wasn¨t for an avid birdwatcher here. I¨m with you that it could link towards Geno, but you are silly if you are acting like it only can be him all things considered.

And why should DLC of all things be promoted? No character in Smash existed to promote that ever.

Then why did you even use that as an argument for Rex and Pyra?

 

[T2by4]

Idk peeps. I got a feeling its gonna be a FE/The Hero direct coming up. I feel like the bird is a reference to FE. But I also fear that they'll announce mii costumes with geno in it, thus sealing our fate. I'm scared fellas. I don't want us to lose again. Also, not a single leaker has come out and hinted at geno besides that one guy that posted the bird which I think is a reference to FE. I don't know fellas.

 

[Icewolff92]

Idk peeps. I got a feeling its gonna be a FE/The Hero direct coming up. I feel like the bird is a reference to FE. But I also fear that they'll announce mii costumes with geno in it, thus sealing our fate. I'm scared fellas. I don't want us to lose again. Also, not a single leaker has come out and hinted at geno besides that one guy that posted the bird which I think is a reference to FE. I don't know fellas.

I¨m scared too. Its to the point that I hope the picture is a doubledipp and its 3H rep and Geno (sort of like the best worst scenario if you know what I mean)

 

[xpnc]

Idk peeps. I got a feeling its gonna be a FE/The Hero direct coming up. I feel like the bird is a reference to FE. But I also fear that they'll announce mii costumes with geno in it, thus sealing our fate. I'm scared fellas. I don't want us to lose again. Also, not a single leaker has come out and hinted at geno besides that one guy that posted the bird which I think is a reference to FE. I don't know fellas.

There's also not a single leaker who says anything Fire Emblem is coming to Smash so I don't know why you're so convinced that's what's happening

 

[Icewolff92]

There's also not a single leaker who says anything Fire Emblem is coming to Smash so I don't know why you're so convinced that's what's happening

There is actually a leak going back prior to VGA that claims that Edelgard will be in

Edit - Here is a link to an article that mentions it. Could not find the original 4chan leak. Yes, I know 4chan, but other leaks from that site has been brough up so I might as well

https://www.elecspo.com/games/smash...aks-chrono-neku-sylux-edelgard-banjo-kazooie/


the TLDR version
Joker
Banjo
Square rep (have heard Nekku and Crono)
Edelgard
Sylux

 

[Nemuresu]

Because Nintendo could easily force him to.

Uh... no? Nintendo never forced Sakurai to include anyone. If they really did that kind of nasty stuff, I'm sure we would've have seen several characters (like Henry Fleming, Elma, Octoling, etc.) already.

Did you even read my and EricTheGamerman points about that?

Yes. And not to sound rude to both of you (since I don't want to cause any flame wars), but you guys are playing with possibilities that aren't as likely as you make it look like.

Nintendo has so far only delivered brand-new franchises and fanservice. Until they do otherwise (or someone like Vergeben leaks such), I don't see any reason to throw a shill character near the end.

He didn¨t give Roy, Lucas, and Mewtwo a stage either, so your point is?

Because they were veterans, they didn't need new content. And even if they did need it, surprise! It just goes on my favour where the entire line-up is third-party, since Sakurai didn't care for veterans either, so we might as well not expect any Nintendo characters at all.

You are flipflopping here. You go from "it has to be something on the nose" to "the association is to complex" (which basically what was going on about the argument about Geno vs Edelgard in the first place) Non of us wouldn¨t even have known what type of bird this is if it wasn¨t for an avid birdwatcher here. I¨m with you that it could link towards Geno, but you are silly if you are acting like it only can be him all things considered.

Banjo=On the nose
Bird=Complex
Easy and simple. I already stated why it's Geno beyond just the picture.

Then why did you even use that as an argument for Rex and Pyra?

I'm not arguing in their favour. I'm just insisting that if they did care about promotional characters to the point of ignoring their release dates, they would've included them already. That's the point: they didn't care about Xenoblade, then why should they have a different attitude for Fire Emblem?

 

[xpnc]

The lengths regular posters in the Geno thread will go to try and convince other people in the Geno thread that Geno won't be in the game continues to astound and upset me

 

[TheCJBrine]

There is actually a leak going back prior to VGA that claims that Edelgard will be in

Edit - Here is a link to an article that mentions it. Could not find the original 4chan leak. Yes, I know 4chan, but other leaks from that site has been brough up so I might as well

https://www.elecspo.com/games/smash...aks-chrono-neku-sylux-edelgard-banjo-kazooie/


the TLDR version
Joker
Banjo
Square rep (have heard Nekku and Crono)
Edelgard
Sylux

I doubt that leak is real, given the last part where he claimed to have unfinished models and would post them (yet never did). Sylux also seems odd with Prime 4’s delay and their supposed source only heard Neku and Crono regarding Square-Enix.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

The lengths regular posters in the Geno thread will go to try and convince other people in the Geno thread that Geno won't be in the game continues to astound and upset me

Well we've been burned so many times I think it's in our better interests to not get our hopes up. I like entertaining the ideas of these leaks and all pointing to Geno and I like hoping for the best but that's where I'm personally at right now, Hope for the best and expect the worst but entertaining these ideas is always a fun thing but if someone wants to get their hopes up I'm not going to stop them.

 

[xpnc]

Well we've been burned so many times I think it's in our better interests to not get our hopes up. I like entertaining the ideas of these leaks and all pointing to Geno and I like hoping for the best but that's where I'm personally at right now, Hope for the best and expect the worst but entertaining these ideas is always a fun thing but if someone wants to get their hopes up I'm not going to stop them.

There is a difference between not getting your hopes up and trying your hardest to convince people the hints are pointing to someone else