joeplicate
Smash Master
well that's dumb of them
as far as I know that's not the normal procedure at all
brian, excellent use of brackets
as far as I know that's not the normal procedure at all
brian, excellent use of brackets
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GENESIS July 10th-12th. ALL NEW INFO ON THE FIRST PAGE! TWITTER INFORMATION!! 7/7/09
- Thread starter sidefx
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ThePrime
Smash Lord
lol melee tournaments i've been to have done both in pools: two neutral stages, or a best of three with counterpicks. So which one is it for genesis? The ruleset says all sets are best of three with counterpicks (with exception of finals), but are pools matches considered sets? Or are sets only when you're in the bracket? Just wanted a clarification.
joeplicate
Smash Master
pools are usually sets
people tend to get up in arms when it's only one match, like at evo world
how can you decide on a fair stage? what if they **** up seeding? there's a lot that can go wrong
if there are time constraints and they have to wrap up pools, it's likely that they'll just do 3 stock matches or something (like at super champ combo), or let fewer people out of pools. that way, it'll be either a smaller bracket or fewer rounds of pools to come.
people tend to get up in arms when it's only one match, like at evo world
how can you decide on a fair stage? what if they **** up seeding? there's a lot that can go wrong
if there are time constraints and they have to wrap up pools, it's likely that they'll just do 3 stock matches or something (like at super champ combo), or let fewer people out of pools. that way, it'll be either a smaller bracket or fewer rounds of pools to come.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
How would you incorporate the strikeout rule with the cali standard 1 neutral reset?
Or is that a reason why we arent using a strikeout system?
Or is that a reason why we arent using a strikeout system?
joeplicate
Smash Master
if you do stage strike, then you don't need a reset
easy as that ^_^
easy as that ^_^
Atlus8
Smash Master
Edit - Scratch that s#!+ off! I see that he pre-reg today! What the f**k could it mean?!
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Haha. Good lookin out joe
Atlus8
Smash Master
Great! Genesis is gonna look pretty good then!
pockyD
Smash Legend
two matches is dumb
Pools is two matches, random stage choice. Each match is 3 stock, 5 minutes. If you think explaining stage striking to the newer players is gonna take awhile, I can't even imagine how long it would take to tell someone every single counter pick allowed if you are doing a set, and then also have them make up their mind quickly. Doing a set like pool structure would be bad for this tournament, this is where I agree random-2 match is by far better overall.
pockyD
Smash Legend
really, what's the point of doing 2 matches instead of just 1, except for its own sake (that is to say, "2 matches is more than 1")?
with a bo3, you can at least have the sensation of playing for a win
with a bo3, you can at least have the sensation of playing for a win
Sets would take too long for pools.
Even if Genesis only gets 400 people entered for Brawl, sets would take too long assuming half of the players can be accommodated at one time, which I'm not sure if there are enough Setups to do so.
Using two matches is more accurate than using one. It allows you to tie your opponent if you lose one and come back and win the next one. That's something you can't simply do with 1 match. It also allows newer players to get a lot of games in instead of just being able to play everyone once.
Even if Genesis only gets 400 people entered for Brawl, sets would take too long assuming half of the players can be accommodated at one time, which I'm not sure if there are enough Setups to do so.
Using two matches is more accurate than using one. It allows you to tie your opponent if you lose one and come back and win the next one. That's something you can't simply do with 1 match. It also allows newer players to get a lot of games in instead of just being able to play everyone once.
Brawl loading times are so bad that even if you had to explain stage striking to a dog you could get it done quicker than waiting for FD to load then cancelling it, then waiting for battlefield to load then cancelling it. How hard is it to explain to somoene that "you each cancel one stage then you pick the third one to play on"
In my experience a little less than half of all pool sets go to a third game. That third game increases the set time by 50%, so by doing BO3 instead of 2 Games you'd probably be adding 25% more running time to the pools.
Would 2 stocks but a set be an option? I think not having to play a third stock speeds up every match, and half the matches will end in 2 games anyway even with a set. I dunno, overall it feels like it would be faster. It's not like you can recover with a suicide in brawl anyway, so whther you suicide at low percentage with 2 or 3 stocks makes no difference, you probably lost.
pockyD
Smash Legend
i've found that far more often than not (since we're just making up numbers, i'll go 75%), pools sets end 2-0
and sure, using two matches is more accurate than one, but using three matches is more accurate than two... what's the basis for two being a happy medium?
Kira, generally any reasonable ruleset for 2 Games Only is going to have a random stage, double blind characters (or no changing characters period) for both games. Not saying it's ideal but it's one of the more reliable ways to cut down on run time.
RichBrown
Smash Master
Don't do 2 stocks to a set, you'll piss off the pokemon trainers lol
pockyD
Smash Legend
...but what's the point of basically doing the exact same thing twice instead of just once?
may as well do a giant pool of 10-12 and do bo1; people get the same number of games and get to play a lot more people, still save time overall, etc.
may as well do a giant pool of 10-12 and do bo1; people get the same number of games and get to play a lot more people, still save time overall, etc.
mmk cool
pockyD
Smash Legend
but if it's bo1 with something like 6/12 making it out, a fluke doesn't matter unless you fluke out 5x
joeplicate
Smash Master
the thing is, almost everybody already KNOWS the counterpicks for their respective game
and if they don't, it's as easy as looking at the rule sheet in front of them
how long would that take, like 30 seconds, tops?
most people choose their counterpick almost immediately
and already have a very good idea of their pick as soon as their opponent chooses his character
2 random matches seems so bad
idk what you brawl kids have been up to
Havokbringer
Smash Lord
They've been playing a bad game Joe.
WhatIsFear
Smash Ace
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i looked on the front page and didn't see this explicitly but,
will there be wifi at the venue? i'm planning on recording matches and uploading them while i'm at the tournament.
will there be wifi at the venue? i'm planning on recording matches and uploading them while i'm at the tournament.
sidefx
Smash Champion
yeah there will be no internet at this thing unfortunately.
Havokbringer
Smash Lord
I'm sure people will be uploading stuff when they go back to their hotel/ homes.
More reason to go anyways.
More reason to go anyways.
RichBrown
Smash Master
Yeah it's a bummer there won't be a stream. I don't know why I'm disappointed about that because I'm going to be there and I can watch multiple matches at once in person, so it doesn't affect me at all haha. And like ^^^ said I'm sure people will be uploading replays every night.
SuperRad
Smash Master
live streams are overrated anyways
joeplicate
Smash Master
i agree
sidefx
Smash Champion
i actually dont enjoy live streams.. a tournament this big only deserves to be seen in person. watching it online does it no justice what so ever.
phazermuffin
Smash Apprentice
wait! does that mean he's going in alex's car or what? i'm trying to figure out my car here mango. work with me!
Atlus8
Smash Master
Where's the f***en hype?! S#!+ is 3 days away!!! Or should I say 2 since that's when people are gonna start coming to NorCal!!!
TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
HYPE
10hypes
10hypes
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
dude. there should be cheerleaders with the letters "GENESIS" on their panties at this tournament
Atlus8
Smash Master
Sig this I will!