General ICs Q&A Thread

[Smoom77]

Upair please. He can't stay up forever.

 

[toobusytocare]

meh, i guess ill figure it out

 

[theunabletable]

Yeah he doesn't have infinite jumps. If he's so high up that you can't hit him, he'll be coming back down due to lack of jumps pretty soon.

 

[toobusytocare]

but he always seems to be able to do it safely

 

[Smasher89]

but he always seems to be able to do it safely

Count the jumps and between which numbers of jumps he usually lands, pressure him at the right moment, problem solved...

 

[Rubberbandman]

Yeah he doesn't have infinite jumps. If he's so high up that you can't hit him, he'll be coming back down due to lack of jumps pretty soon.

Also keep in mind MK has terrible horizontal air movement, so if he is right above you in the air, chances are he will stay above you right up till he lands.

On the other hand, we have terrible horizontal air speed as well.

 

[EverAlert]

Remind me, isn't one of the moves that activates "IC fusion" mach tornado?

iirc no it doesnt.

 

[Smoom77]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTN7DJhVPeE

Very small time frame as you can see.

 

[toobusytocare]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTN7DJhVPeE

Very small time frame as you can see.

video is private

 

[dmac]

i'm good at brawl

 

[Deathfox30]

Grab > b throw > footstool > ice shot > ice shot > charge smash > smash > grab > repeat, right? Popo keeps charging instead of Nana, is it three ice shots? :S

Also, I was reading through one of the guides and it says when doing b throw to tilt back SLIGHTLY on the control stick, when I do it Nana doesn't turn around. When I slam it back and grab it works but I can't do the second b throw.... Do you have the buffer in order to do them?

How exactly is d throw done? Do you have to d throw then walk and grab? It seems....escapable....

 

[dj asakura]

For b-throw you have to tap back and press grab almost at the same time, but don't smash back.

And d-throw you have to move forward a little bit each time you d-throw.

 

[Smoom77]

Oh lol. I forgot to make my videos unprivated.

 

[phi1ny3]

i'm good at brawl

I don't think I was referring to you lol, although anyone with a Melee ganon in their profile has to be beassst

 

[Deathfox30]

For b-throw you have to tap back and press grab almost at the same time, but don't smash back.

And d-throw you have to move forward a little bit each time you d-throw.

Are you talking about the first b throw or the second? I do this grab > slam > grab > tilt > grab but in the end I move left or right so it's not an infinite.... If I do grab > tilt > grab Nana doesn't turn around.... I hope that makes sense. :S I can do theml all except b throw :/ Even advanced ones like buffered f throw and smash hobbling and pivot ones. Is b throw the hardest? :S Please help.

 

[BadKarma]

Is there any important moves from characers that out prioritize blizzard? Like I know robs laser and some other projectials do but is there any others I should watch out for?

 

[Smoom77]

Some weird things like D3's ftilt go through. I think other things do, but I can't remember.

 

[Sieguest]

Any projectile that doesn't have a targetbox, or attack that has a disjointed hitbox longer than blizzard can pretty much hit you.

 

[toobusytocare]

blizzard ignores hitboxes from other moves and goes directly through them to the opponents hurtbox

so if blizzard hits your opponent it will stop their move thus blizzard "beats" that move

 

[dj asakura]

Are you talking about the first b throw or the second? I do this grab > slam > grab > tilt > grab but in the end I move left or right so it's not an infinite.... If I do grab > tilt > grab Nana doesn't turn around.... I hope that makes sense. :S I can do theml all except b throw :/ Even advanced ones like buffered f throw and smash hobbling and pivot ones. Is b throw the hardest? :S Please help.

Are you referring to back throwing from Popo to Nana? In which case as you tilt back you press grab. It's always at the same time.

If you're doing it from Nana to Popo I can't tell you. I always back throw first.

 

[Deathfox30]

I'm talking about from Popo to Nana. When I manage to do it while tilting it, which is rare, Nana is way in wrong of Popo. So far I could probably do a b throw and catch them in front of Popo without moving. If I slam it Popo is just a little bit in front of Nana. I can see her hammer and a tiny bit of space between it and Popo's back. Where SHOULD Popo be in relation to Nana during these throws? It's a little hard to see on videos because they go so quickly.

 

[Shurely]

I'm talking about from Popo to Nana. When I manage to do it while tilting it, which is rare, Nana is way in wrong of Popo. So far I could probably do a b throw and catch them in front of Popo without moving. If I slam it Popo is just a little bit in front of Nana. I can see her hammer and a tiny bit of space between it and Popo's back. Where SHOULD Popo be in relation to Nana during these throws? It's a little hard to see on videos because they go so quickly.

I'm pretty sure popo is just suppose to end up slightly infront of nana. enough so u can fthrow to him. and even if u end up moving some they are still infinites as long as u are alternating back throw with forward or down throw.

 

[dj asakura]

I'm talking about from Popo to Nana. When I manage to do it while tilting it, which is rare, Nana is way in wrong of Popo. So far I could probably do a b throw and catch them in front of Popo without moving. If I slam it Popo is just a little bit in front of Nana. I can see her hammer and a tiny bit of space between it and Popo's back. Where SHOULD Popo be in relation to Nana during these throws? It's a little hard to see on videos because they go so quickly.

You probably don't need the really basic information in this video, but it might help you with where each climber should ideally be in any grab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juS9dgfNKxw&playnext_from=TL&videos=LOVIum-b9tU

 

[Deathfox30]

Hmmm, I think I've just about got b throw finally.... I'm not sure I'm doing f throw or smash hobbling right though.... I'll post a video when I get my dazzle. Hopefully by then I'll have buffered b throw to f throw, pivot d throws and continuous non spike f throws down. Also, do you have to shield buffer to do d throw chains?
What's the best chain grabs for D3, DK, and Bowser? I sometimes hobble DK but it's a little tough, is buffered f throw the best? Right now I'm using buffered f throw on super heavys, smash hobbling on heavys, buffered b throw to f throw, buffered f throw, or alternating throws on mediums and pretty much everything but hobbling on the light weights. Is d throw hobbling good? It seems hard and not very useful....

 

[dj asakura]

A lot of people shield buffer any throw that ends up with Popo holding the enemy since Nana tends to be a little to far away for the next grab. It's not absolutely required but it depends on how fast they can break out of the grab.

I don't remember who said it but someone on these boards said it's generally better to just f-throw heavies since the timing is the same regardless of weight and then just learning the timing on b-throw for them. It's less risky than hobbling if you know the timing well enough.

I feel like you're focusing too much on knowing how to do all these different CG's when you really only need to know one or two simple ones that work on all characters.

 

[Smoom77]

So yes. Only learn a few CGs, you dont need to know all of them. Fthrow is generally easier on heavies because their bodies are bigger, aka a bigger hurtbox. But I don't recommend doing only fthrows on heavies unless you master buffered fthrows (you're not gonna, trust me). Just learn bthrow>bthrow, dthrow, or fthrow on everyone. Trust me on that one too.

 

[Deathfox30]

IC is just a side character. I'm learning all of them to do flashy chain grabs during friendlies. I hobble better than I f throw though...... One more question, which is better buffered b throw or b throw and why? I just about have buffered f throw down. I've given up on fair non spike ones though....

 

[Sieguest]

IC is just a side character. I'm learning all of them to do flashy chain grabs during friendlies. I hobble better than I f throw though...... One more question, which is better buffered b throw or b throw and why? I just about have buffered f throw down. I've given up on fair non spike ones though....

Any buffered throw is better than any unbuffered throw for the simple reason that if you buffer the throws, your opponent can't mash out.

 

[Smoom77]

Also, buffered bthrows are the best because they're the fastest throws while dealing 6% making them the more efficient throws ever. :] Im obsessed with buffered bthrows.

 

[Sieguest]

Also, buffered bthrows are the best because they're the fastest throws while dealing 6% making them the more efficient throws ever. :] Im obsessed with buffered bthrows.

You need new custom title. Something about buffered bthrows...
(inb4unamedasnorlaxbufferedbthrow)

 

[r3d d09]

psh, you need to buffer your buffer

 

[toobusytocare]

i buffer everything. ever.

 

[r3d d09]

know what utah buffering is?

 

[Deathfox30]

I buffered a Belay out of a stage spike bair once. It was pretty sexy...

 

[Smoom77]

Like my new title? :D

 

[r3d d09]

buffer your buffer would be better.

 

[GeneralWoodman]

alternating sh airdodges= ultimate mindgame into blizzard combos

 

[r3d d09]

i lol'd and i like your ava

 

[Sieguest]

Like my new title? :D

Win.

buffer your buffer would be better.

He buffered his typing so the "o" didn't get in there....

 

[Smoom77]

Lololol, I love buffering my typing when my computer/iPhone lags. Then I see several sentences automatically written! <3