toobusytocare
Smash Lord
metnite cant cg
also what do i do vs TL? they always just run and throw **** man
also what do i do vs TL? they always just run and throw **** man
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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phi1ny3
Not the Mama
nairs n' stuff.
Dmac camps like a pro tho, I know your pain
Luckily TL's never been great against shield, bombs are pretty much the worst things you need to worry about.
Dmac camps like a pro tho, I know your pain
Luckily TL's never been great against shield, bombs are pretty much the worst things you need to worry about.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
lol phil, bombs are the #1 thing you need to worry about
the other projectiles are slow as **** and dont protect him from uairs from below
i still take dmac rather close with ICs but its such a pain that i usually just go wario
the other projectiles are slow as **** and dont protect him from uairs from below
i still take dmac rather close with ICs but its such a pain that i usually just go wario
EverAlert
Smash Master
lol, I play FIOD + another TL all the time, plus others regularly enough. *TLexp!* Actually I prefer this matchup as MK, much less work to deal with it all, but I can never be bothered switching from ICs for it in friendlies so all the exp goes to them lol.
anyway they're going to be throwing **** at you constantly so learn to walking powershield approach, it works wonders and in my experience really throws TL players off their game.
when you're close, main thing you need to worry about is zair, learn to predict when they'll do it (eg, most TLs I play will always SHAD into zair but never SHAD for anything else) and PS-grab, gg. If you get hit by zair on the ground, spotdodge immediately, shield covers most of their followups but they'll also commonly grab so spotdodge covers this too in addition to the others - mainly usmash/nair/dashattack). also, running away with bomb in hand = JC bombthrow. them facing away also generally means sh bair, be wary.
of course, keep away from them in the air, you can't win. but keep in mind our uair > their dair (pretty much every TL I play finds dair irresistible, esp offstage). If you notice they like dair then bait them to do it and dashing shieldgrab or PS-grab or pivotgrab them or something, lots of options here. if you're above them keep in mind dair will not cancel out with TL's aerials so its not that hot for getting grounded (it will of course cancel projectiles though), but do find some way to get to the ground quickly though.
in general try to approach diagonally from below, this cuts off most of their options except boomerang which has very slow startup. failing this approach head on, you can deal with spam by PSing as mentioned above and TLs will also want to jump around a lot so that puts you into the ideal approaching situation anyway. never approach from above (pretty much the same for any matchup here lol).
also, be careful when picking your recoveries, again the air is not where you want to be vs TL. unfortunately the best thing you can do here is try and read what they want to do cause theres so much they -can- do, but in general I find the most success with side b, just be wary that any aerial will gimp you out of it. also if they like dair then bait it in a recovery situation for lols results.
as far as stages/starters go, avoid battlefield, go fd if possible or if that's banned then smashville. it's too easy for them to camp you on battlefield, much more work to keep ahead there than it is on fd/sv. ban brinstar. other tough stages for TL are lylat, yoshi's brawl and frigate.
imo this ones somewhere along the lines of 50:50 to 60:40 us, definitely in our favor but not by that much.
lol that was longer than originally intended.
tl;dr ps stuff and watch for zair, shieldgrab gg; you're ****ed in the air or while recovering; play on FD/SV avoid BF.
anyway they're going to be throwing **** at you constantly so learn to walking powershield approach, it works wonders and in my experience really throws TL players off their game.
when you're close, main thing you need to worry about is zair, learn to predict when they'll do it (eg, most TLs I play will always SHAD into zair but never SHAD for anything else) and PS-grab, gg. If you get hit by zair on the ground, spotdodge immediately, shield covers most of their followups but they'll also commonly grab so spotdodge covers this too in addition to the others - mainly usmash/nair/dashattack). also, running away with bomb in hand = JC bombthrow. them facing away also generally means sh bair, be wary.
of course, keep away from them in the air, you can't win. but keep in mind our uair > their dair (pretty much every TL I play finds dair irresistible, esp offstage). If you notice they like dair then bait them to do it and dashing shieldgrab or PS-grab or pivotgrab them or something, lots of options here. if you're above them keep in mind dair will not cancel out with TL's aerials so its not that hot for getting grounded (it will of course cancel projectiles though), but do find some way to get to the ground quickly though.
in general try to approach diagonally from below, this cuts off most of their options except boomerang which has very slow startup. failing this approach head on, you can deal with spam by PSing as mentioned above and TLs will also want to jump around a lot so that puts you into the ideal approaching situation anyway. never approach from above (pretty much the same for any matchup here lol).
also, be careful when picking your recoveries, again the air is not where you want to be vs TL. unfortunately the best thing you can do here is try and read what they want to do cause theres so much they -can- do, but in general I find the most success with side b, just be wary that any aerial will gimp you out of it. also if they like dair then bait it in a recovery situation for lols results.
as far as stages/starters go, avoid battlefield, go fd if possible or if that's banned then smashville. it's too easy for them to camp you on battlefield, much more work to keep ahead there than it is on fd/sv. ban brinstar. other tough stages for TL are lylat, yoshi's brawl and frigate.
imo this ones somewhere along the lines of 50:50 to 60:40 us, definitely in our favor but not by that much.
lol that was longer than originally intended.
tl;dr ps stuff and watch for zair, shieldgrab gg; you're ****ed in the air or while recovering; play on FD/SV avoid BF.
r3d d09
Smash Master
I agree with everything that E_A has said. there is a TL that wants to MM all the time, and that's the only exp i get from him.
funny thing is i went to BF and i outcamped him. but only because i knew his style xD
funny thing is i went to BF and i outcamped him. but only because i knew his style xD
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah bombs are annoying, like the splashing hitbox I've experienced a couple of times just makes me lol.
One time it hit me while I was standing under a Lylat platform, just walking, and while standing under a SV platform.
Isn't PSing hard in general as ICs, let alone against all the projectiles? I'm sure if mastered that'd make your game against TL so much easier though.
Teh Future
Smash Master
PS projectiles is easier because nana is behind popo slightly and the projectile (usually) disappears where as a reg. attack would hit her before her shield goes up.
r3d d09
Smash Master
So much to learn xD
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Oh good to know.
That changes things a bit.
That changes things a bit.
r3d d09
Smash Master
you will catch on quick. i learned how to play against a TL within the first time ever playing him.
r3d d09
Smash Master
It was the most scatterbrained comment i've ever seen
Let me set this straight. Alternating grabs ARE more efficient, faster, and less risky. Hobbling is slower, less efficient, and much more risky. I only hobble when I don't feel comfortable alting.
Only learn hobbling to a point when you can do it on heavies because you wanna be fancy or you can't get the cg down. You can learn hobbling faster than the cg on a certain character.
CGS ARE BETTER THAN HOBBLING! LEARN CGS AND HOBBLING WILL BE OF THE PAST!
And future is correct on the PSing. Projectiles miss Nana if you PS it running/dashing. Not sure about standing though.
Only learn hobbling to a point when you can do it on heavies because you wanna be fancy or you can't get the cg down. You can learn hobbling faster than the cg on a certain character.
CGS ARE BETTER THAN HOBBLING! LEARN CGS AND HOBBLING WILL BE OF THE PAST!
And future is correct on the PSing. Projectiles miss Nana if you PS it running/dashing. Not sure about standing though.
r3d d09
Smash Master
Question: why are the IC boards getting so annoying?
r3d d09
Smash Master
He's just a bad troll.
and there is just a lot of dumb stuff being discussed lately
I choose you, FROZENPOOP. Frozenpoop, use your mean ways and scare these fools away.
and there is just a lot of dumb stuff being discussed lately
I choose you, FROZENPOOP. Frozenpoop, use your mean ways and scare these fools away.
r3d d09
Smash Master
Agree with the smoominator
PCyph
Smash Apprentice
at least prawn doesnt post here anymore
dj asakura
Smash Ace
Sorry for being annoying
dj asakura
Smash Ace
Eh, it's fine. No worries.
r3d d09
Smash Master
I miss prawn though
r3d d09
Smash Master
PRAWN come back :3
PCyph
Smash Apprentice
no prawn sucks he shouldn't come back hes just a troll
he hasnt even played for 2 weeks he sucks now i think hes quitting
he hasnt even played for 2 weeks he sucks now i think hes quitting
r3d d09
Smash Master
I want Prawn back, and who the uk are you PCyph? leave. you're not wanted
r3d d09
Smash Master
what on earth?
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
so what can ICs do vs an aircampy MK?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Remind me, isn't one of the moves that activates "IC fusion" mach tornado?
GL trying to do that though I guess lol.
GL trying to do that though I guess lol.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
but they go too high for me to get them
Lol, yeah. But what kindof advantage would you have? They disapear only when they grab a certain ledge. It could stop scrooging, but they won't have to scrooge since they're fighting Sopo. Aircamping still beats fusion.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
so... aircamping is unbeatable then? lol
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
but MK is too high mang