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General ICs Q&A Thread
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Roller
Smash Legend
I like esam 'cause he gave me a hug.
B0NK
Smash Lord
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![[FBC] ESAM](/data/avatars/l/92/92614.jpg?1365783210){kind=avatar}
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Write-me off.
God damn it.
God damn it.
dettadeus
Smash Lord
Are there any threads explaining exactly how Nana's AI works, or could someone explain it in detail?
Perhaps this one is good? http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307567
dettadeus
Smash Lord
That actually helps a lot. Thanks!
So I've been watching some Japanese videos with 9b and it seems like he gets to go to FD alot. Does anybody know what stages they might ban against him? like is there a better stage for IC's than FD, because I never get to go to FD lol.
Ralph Cecil
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I don't think you can ban neutrals, or something like that in their ruleset.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Yeah, you can't ban the neutrals (FD, SV, BF) but you can ban one of the 3 CPs they have (YI, LYlat, PS1)
Ruinn
Smash Ace
Bthrow, fthrow; best chain grab?
Ruinn
Smash Ace
I find it extremely hard to bthrow with nana. D:
Roller
Smash Legend
only because you're used to the timing/spacing of doing it the other way.
Ruinn
Smash Ace
Probably. Because what I do is bthrow to nana, fthrow to pop, and repeat. I tried it the other way and dropped it after 1 grab >_<
Ruinn
Smash Ace
All that time practicing that way. QQ
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
I thought P bthrow-->N dthrow was da bess?
And, uh, on heavy characters, P fthrow-->N dthrow-->P Pivot Grab is hilarious, I did it in friendlies a few days ago. Is it at all practical? XD
Or the same thing but with double dthrow?
And, uh, on heavy characters, P fthrow-->N dthrow-->P Pivot Grab is hilarious, I did it in friendlies a few days ago. Is it at all practical? XD
Or the same thing but with double dthrow?
I find fthrow>bthrow to be easier done on
Mediums (like Luigi, Lucario, Mario, Diddy, etc.) and the big heavies (D3, DK, Bowser, and Chawizawd).
I find it almost impossible for me to do consistently on these guys (lights, Snake, Ganadorf, lucas, and ness and sometimes Yoshi.)
Mediums (like Luigi, Lucario, Mario, Diddy, etc.) and the big heavies (D3, DK, Bowser, and Chawizawd).
I find it almost impossible for me to do consistently on these guys (lights, Snake, Ganadorf, lucas, and ness and sometimes Yoshi.)
In that case, how do I cg Snake and Ganon? Those 2 are way too hard for me to chaingrab the 2011 way. Pretty much every other character is fine to me, but those 2 are dumb... Because of my lack of cg I actually managed to lose to a Ganon and that wasn't funny.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I've spoken with Kakera, but my japanese isnt very good yet, so he can't understand me fully, I think. @_@
Sylarius
Smash Ace
Hobbling? Usually I dthrow CG until I reach the end of the stage, then hobble. Although understandably it's difficult if not impossible to do on platforms.
If you lose a game to a Ganon or Snake with ICs because you can't CG them, I'd say go one of your secondarys.
EDIT: For Snake, your fthrow spacing has to be almost inside Nana, you barely step forward as with the other characters. The spacing is weird but it's the only way it works. You kinda have to bthrow earlier as well to compensate for the longer bthrow animation due to a heavy character.
EDIT 2:
You're probably not doing it fast enough. Try using Marth, he's one of the easier characters to CG with.
This is how it's supposed to look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehp4e4M8a-c#t=201s
Arch-Raven
Smash Rookie
Hey. I've been trying to accomplish an F-Throw Chain Grab, but it hasn't been going well.
After I grab with Popo, I am not able to use Nana alone. Every time I try to use an attack or a Z, they stay synched.
What I do:
1) Grab with Popo
2) Walk left with Nana
3) Throw opponent
4) Attempt Grab with Nana
But it doesn't work. The opponent flies too far for Nana's range, (even at 0%), and Nana doesn't seem to run far enough. The de-synching isn't working
Someone help.
After I grab with Popo, I am not able to use Nana alone. Every time I try to use an attack or a Z, they stay synched.
What I do:
1) Grab with Popo
2) Walk left with Nana
3) Throw opponent
4) Attempt Grab with Nana
But it doesn't work. The opponent flies too far for Nana's range, (even at 0%), and Nana doesn't seem to run far enough. The de-synching isn't working
Someone help.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Hey IC players, I'm thinking about picking up the ICs as a second. What do I need to focus and learn first? How would you guys recommend training them(friendlies, tournaments, wifi, etc.)? And what do I need to do to become a top IC player?
Ruinn
Smash Ace
Most ic's pick up ic's to chaingrab. not gonna lie, i was one of those people. probably still am. but thats why if you can get passed my cg you'll win. im telling you now, focus on their descyning first, their basic attacks, specials, and then make your way to hobbling/chaingrabbing. Also, if you have fast hands learn to rise very high with ic's side b move.
Roller
Smash Legend
Personally, I learned walking dthrow-dthrow, bthrow-dthrow, and hobbling on snake.
Whoever said to hobble, yeah, that's fine if you are near the center of a flat stage, but you are screwed if you get the grab at a low percent and your opponent can SDI, OR if you grab them near the ledge, OR if the ground is not flat (yoshi's for example) OR if you grab them on a platform. (makes platforms much safer for them if the only cg you know they can get out of easily on them)
For all these reasons, I highly recommend learning walking dthrow->dthrow or dthrow->fthrow, as well as bthrow->dthrow.
On the main part of stages I do d throw->dthrow, and turn around at the edge with either bthrow (if I'm very close to edge) or hobble to turn around (with adequate space left before ledge encase they sdi), then continue dthrowing.
On platforms I do bthrow->dthrow
Something which is EXTREMELY important however, is learning how to throw grenades away while cging. It has helped me IMMENSELY in the matchup.
I practice by putting bananas or fans on medium with 99 stocks and unlimited timer vs snake. Everytime I come up to a banana/fan, I throw it away and continue CGing. I've also recently begun using this to work on my desynched grab setups out of banana throws to begin the cg. It's been paying off quite a bit and has been a big part of my placings going from 7th/9th to top 3.
Roller
Smash Legend
KID posted this pic on facebook a while back, and it really inspired me, both in smash and other areas of life.
I couldn't dthrow->dthrow him at first either. I have to practice on him for hours each week just to keep it consistent. It does take a lot of time, but if you want to be able to win against a solid snake (no pun intended) it's necessary imo. You can do it if you are willing to put the time in, trust me.
I feel like a lot of times ICs players don't see/take advantage of chances to improve because all they see is the work it will require.
I couldn't dthrow->dthrow him at first either. I have to practice on him for hours each week just to keep it consistent. It does take a lot of time, but if you want to be able to win against a solid snake (no pun intended) it's necessary imo. You can do it if you are willing to put the time in, trust me.
I feel like a lot of times ICs players don't see/take advantage of chances to improve because all they see is the work it will require.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Most important thing to note to me, is don't ask questions on how to Chaingrab. You can see perfectly fine in videos how to do everything needed to CG, so those questions are pretty dumb and unnecessary when all you have to do is practice instead of asking "WHY DO I KEEP DROPPING THIS? SOMEONE HELP. HOW DO I CHAINGRAB THIS CHARACTER?"
All of that is just things you can work on in training mode by practicing.
Wow, never thought of doing that to practice it, nice tip. I just practiced it raw by myself for about an hour till I got savvy enough with it to do it without messing up my rhythm. I'll definitely try this.
Great post. Most people just want to learn everything at one time, no matter how much work you have to put into it or how big of a task it is; which is why most people get frustrated, lazy, etc. Instead of coming here all the time and asking pointless questions, break down CGs. Everytime you drop it, guess why you did it wrong(Grabbed too fast, grabbed too slow, sped up my rhythm too much). Break down your training mode time into sections to practice certain aspects of stuff instead of trying to stuff everything into one day's worth. Ice Climbers are not a character you can learn in 24 hours.
Roller
Smash Legend
I had been doing fans before we had talked. I now do pretty much exclusively bananas. Because the whole point is just getting the motion down to throw the item away as quick as possible, doesn't really matter what you're throwing. I actually used those smoke ball things for a while. But the reason I stopped with those was they were too annoying after they landed. And bananas help with the set up practice. So yeah. Mostly just them. They do what bombs do (for all intents and purposes) and more.
I also think fans have a bigger range you can grab them from, which was initially why I switched to the (smaller?) smoke balls. But bananas look smaller than fans too. idk though, this could all be in my head. lol
I also think fans have a bigger range you can grab them from, which was initially why I switched to the (smaller?) smoke balls. But bananas look smaller than fans too. idk though, this could all be in my head. lol
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Who asked how to chaingrab? All I was asking was how to be effective w/ this character. Any more tips guys? I've already gotten some from Delux.
Ruinn
Smash Ace
I want to learn to hobble for the characters I can't cg. I'm talking where nana footstools then ice blocks, then full charge fsmash to regrab. Yes, I want to learn that. ;-;
Walk around, shield things, uair a lot, grab.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Use the basics. You don't need to do anything special to win against people as good as you, or even better. Just keep calm and don't rush into anything. ICs are the most threatening character when doing nothing, so you will always be ahead in the mental game.
Nah I spent more than practicing stuff alone with Icies than I have actually played the character so I'm fine. I just tend to want to chaingrab as many characters as possible with the 2011 cg since it's easier to do with familiar throws. I still have to find soem cue for the dthrow. I can actually manage with chaingrabbing Snake when I get the spacing right, but the first 2 throws are actually the hardest for that reason. I'll just keep practicing and try out that banana thing.