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ChivalRuse

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I had the same problem with my friends, so I just stopped wobbling altogether. There are a couple things you could do ...

1. Just play ICs without wobbling (i.e., learn the chaingrabs and grab combos - particularly the Chu combo: dthrow -> upsmash -> uair -> uair).
2. Play another character against your friend. If ICs are your main, this might not be the best option, since you probably want to keep playing them and get better. But if they aren't your main, you should still be able to destroy your friend, since he makes a lot of mistakes.
3. Using wobbling, but only when it's necessary to win the match. He might still get upset, though ...
 
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I don't want to stop wobbling because IC's don't have a whole lot of other options in the matchup against link (his main). He's too fat to do the dthrow-dair-regrab consistently and he can break out because of how slow it goes. Handoffs are unreliable as always.
 
ChivalRuse

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You can dthrow chain grab Link ... he's basically the same as Sheik.

Dthrow dair also works. Just practice the timing for a while, and you're set.
 
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Escapeable but sometimes works.

Simple DI away (and up I think) gets out every time.
 
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Until about 40, then hard DI away gets out.

He is really far less chaingrabable by ICs than most.
 
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1 w1nged @ngel said:
My friend keeps getting pissed at me when I wobble him. He just ragequits everytime I even start. How do I explain that it's not broken? I've already tried saying that other characters have guaranteed 0-deaths, that it's really hard to set up and the only reason I do it a lot against him is that he makes lots of easily punishable mistakes.
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I'm going to side with your friend on this one. Wobbling in friendlies is kind of a **** move; getting wobbled may be arguably fair but it sure isn't fun.
 
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I'm having trouble doing the dash dance desynch with any consistency. Are you supposed to basically dash back then forwards as fast as possible and then input a move for Nana? Or does some other factor dictate getting it to work? In Fly's videos sometimes you can barely even see him do the dash dance.
 
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meh. What can I do against link aside from wobbling? That's the only reason I do it; I don't wobble my other friend who plays other characters because I can dthrow-dair them

@Lixivium: He doesn't complain that it's no fun, I would be fine if he respectfully said "stop that **** it's boring". He's being a huge scrub and complains that "it's broken" and "there's nothing I can do"
 
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Nintendude1189 said:
I'm having trouble doing the dash dance desynch with any consistency. Are you supposed to basically dash back then forwards as fast as possible and then input a move for Nana? Or does some other factor dictate getting it to work? In Fly's videos sometimes you can barely even see him do the dash dance.
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You need to dash three times instead of two (forward, back, then forward again) and then input a move with Nana. I don't think speed matters, but the faster you do it the less likely your opponent is to see it coming.
 
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1 w1nged @ngel said:
meh. What can I do against link aside from wobbling? That's the only reason I do it; I don't wobble my other friend who plays other characters because I can dthrow-dair them

@Lixivium: He doesn't complain that it's no fun, I would be fine if he respectfully said "stop that **** it's boring". He's being a huge scrub and complains that "it's broken" and "there's nothing I can do"
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Two headbutts + blizzard + d-throw + any smash is 25+ damage easy. It's as much your fault that you can't punish him out of grabs without wobbling, as it is his fault that he's not good enough to not get grabbed.

I wouldn't want to play somebody that wobbled me all the time either. It is NOT comparable to being shinespiked or death-comboed.

Kyu Puff said:
You need to dash three times instead of two (forward, back, then forward again) and then input a move with Nana. I don't think speed matters, but the faster you do it the less likely your opponent is to see it coming.
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No you can definitely do it with a single back-and-forth dash. You just have to wait a slight bit between the 2nd dash and inputting the Down-B. It is kind of tricky.
 
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ok 25%. Not a kill. Wobbling is the best option by far; there is nothing that even compares when fighting link because dthrow-dair isn't guaranteed.

And the other stuff I was referring to was more along the lines of Shiek CG's, fox on spacie 0-death CGs, falcon dthrow-only tech chasing (which is really the safest option for his techchasing but it takes really long and it's boring). People consider those boring and they're inescapable but no one whines like with wobbling. Oh well.
 
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1 w1nged @ngel said:
ok 25%. Not a kill. Wobbling is the best option by far; there is nothing that even compares when fighting link because dthrow-dair isn't guaranteed.
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Just because it is the best option doesn't mean you should do it, especially in friendlies where there is nothing at stake. It boils down to this: he is as entitled to whining as you are to wobbling. If you don't want to put up with it, don't do it.

And the other stuff I was referring to was more along the lines of Shiek CG's, fox on spacie 0-death CGs, falcon dthrow-only tech chasing (which is really the safest option for his techchasing but it takes really long and it's boring). People consider those boring and they're inescapable but no one whines like with wobbling. Oh well.
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Those things are theoretically inescapable but at least I have some influence upon it - DI and teching - once it is begun. If you pull one of those off on me then you've earned it. I'm at least PARTICIPATING in the gameplay.

That is UNLIKE wobbling which I can do absolutely nothing about, short of punching you in real life.
 
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i was soooooooo pround of myself today

on a falco, i did grab to jab a couple times, dthrow dair regrab blizzard jab dthrow dair regrab blizzard jab dthrow fsmash

i was like almost techinical with IC's

fly teach me stuff
andre teach me desynched dash attacks like i told you to do back in the day, they were too good
kirbykaze sup, haven't seen you much lately
 
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1 w1nged @ngel said:
And the other stuff I was referring to was more along the lines of Shiek CG's, fox on spacie 0-death CGs, falcon dthrow-only tech chasing (which is really the safest option for his techchasing but it takes really long and it's boring). People consider those boring and they're inescapable but no one whines like with wobbling. Oh well.
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Grab->Blizzard->D/Fthrow->Fairspike ->tech-chase-> repeat.

Just as 'inescapable' as Falcon's Dthrow tech-chasing. Alot more colorful to watch than Wobbling.


Not to mention, wobbling in friendlies doesn't aid you as a player. It'll just make him:
a) punch you
or
b) Better at avoiding grabs. And once than happens, he'll probably **** you. All I'm seeing out of you is that you're only consistent with your grabs. There are plenty of other things to learn about IC.
 
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macd said:
i was soooooooo pround of myself today

on a falco, i did grab to jab a couple times, dthrow dair regrab blizzard jab dthrow dair regrab blizzard jab dthrow fsmash

i was like almost techinical with IC's

fly teach me stuff
andre teach me desynched dash attacks like i told you to do back in the day, they were too good
kirbykaze sup, haven't seen you much lately
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LMAO

just desynch blizzard or fsmash, wait a bit

then dash attack with popo

then dash attack with nana

then keep doing it

TOO GOOD i gotta add it to my stratz
 
ChivalRuse

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Nintendude, I've never had anyone meteor cancel my dthrow -> fair. The fair hits too close to the ground for them to be able to reasonably cancel it.
 
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They must have godlike reflexes. Remember mashing jump doesn't work, and they only have the time it takes for the fair to hit them from around Popo's head to the ground to input the cancel.
 
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macd said:
fly teach me stuff
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Okay, just ask me stuff at the tourney this weekend.

Or you could ask things here.

Or elsewhere.


KK, stop spending so much time away from the internet.


On topic: Fair tricks are cool, but I generally prefer other things.
 
ChivalRuse

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Kyu Puff said:
Can't they just DI the f-air away?
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Yea, them DIing it away and teching makes it harder to follow up. Dthrow fair has some nice situational uses, though, which I like. For example, if I'm fighting a Marth who knows how to DI out of dthrow dair, I might do dthrow -> fair -> double jab (to get him to stand up) -> regrab, just for extra damage. If he knows how to escape the dthrow fair, I might alternatively just use dthrow dair or dthrow upsmash -> uair, depending on how I think he'll DI.
 
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fly, why are my grab combo's so bad, but why is my wavedash dsmash so good?

ummm i know, i'll make sure to get on the recording tv against a noob on sat and get a set with my IC's recorded and you can all tell me how much i suck :grin:

EDIT: andre i'll try, but you know me, if i desynch, it's on accident lol

kk it's alright, but stop having so many other things to do!!!!!
 
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