Social General Ice Climber Chat

[choknater]

yes u are correct :D

i try to pressure fox instead of him pressuring me >_< hard

 

[Cia]

Ice Climbers are sooooo good.

I unveiled mine at RoM.

I lost tho.. lolz

 

[choknater]

vanz i actually watched those haha not bad not bad : D u did some good stuff, but i forgot

 

[pockyD]

yeah that ain't fly!

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Yezzzz Vans hops aboard Icys Train.

 

[Cia]

^ YES! At Saffron City (12-5-2009) I plan to use Ice Climbers ONLY in singles. Except against Samus, and MAYBE Ganondorf.

They will be **** by then.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Samus and Ganon are gay matches, but Peach is for sure the gayest match up.

At least we can CG and gimp ganon.

 

[Zone]

Charge a smash and wavedash to the ledge without letting go of A. Nana will release the smash as soon as you grab the ledge, though.

Either you're d-airing too early or you're hitting with the wrong part of it. They only go behind you when you hit with the back of d-air's hitbox. You want to just sh d-air in place.

I know this is late,

But thanks for the info

 

[Fly_Amanita]

*attempt at revival*

I'm sure you're all tired about discussing grabs, but there are a few things I'd like to hear anyways.

What characters is bthrow -> grab possible on? I don't mean like bthrow -> wait as opponent flies a bit -> grab; I'm thinking of a Brawl-style bthrow -> grab.

IIRC, ICG said something like that was possible on Bowser, and though I've never had a chance to test it myself, I think it's possible for something like this to work. I'm actually more interested in Nana bthrow -> Popo grab, which I'd guess is possible on more characters than the other way around for a number reasons. It might be possible on some of the larger characters for this to work, although I'd guess that the timing is strict if it works at all.

The reason I've been thinking about this is that I've been trying to come up with reliable methods of moving backwards while doing the handoff near an edge. This would be nice since it could give us more time to do damage during an edge CG, perhaps even arbitrarily much time. My best guess for doing something like this would involve Nana bthrow -> Popo grab.

The idea is following: when Nana fthrows near the edge, have Popo walk forward a bit and turn around and grab. Have Popo fthrow -> Nana grab, with Nana walking as far forward (i.e. away from the edge) as possible. Then have Popo walk/dash towards Nana and turn around -> grab after Nana's bthrow.

There are a couple potential problems. Aside from the whole bthrow -> grab thing potentially being impossible, Popo needs to walk towards the edge a little in order for the first turn around grab to work. You could retreat a little during the Popo fthrow -> Nana grab, though. In order for this to be useful at all, the minimum distance necessary to do the first turn around grab would need to be equal to, less than, or maybe a tiny bit greater than the maximum distance you can retreat on the Popo fthrow -> Nana grab. I wouldn't be surprised if this was never the case, and I'd guess that it only really has a chance of working on some of the large characters.

Of course, some of these characters are the ones whom we have a hard time CG'ing. I mainly have Samus in mind, but I'm sure there are others.


Sorry for bugging you guys with my untested ideas. I'm still lacking a Melee disc and Gamecube, so I can't verify that any of my dumb ideas don't work on my own.

 

[ChivalRuse]

That's a pretty creative idea, fly.

I just wish I could do the handoff more consistently (i.e., at all, lol). Then maybe I could test out your theory. If it did work, though, lol, it would be another infinite. Dang.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

hey the timing gets harder as it goes and to go b-throw nana grab(and for some reason she B-throws most of the time I wish I know why maybe it's because popo isn't facing the same way i don't know.) nana b-throw popo grabs. It's doable but yeah you could b-throw jab grab I geuss it would work much better.

harray i,m helpful

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

I would really like to see an exhaustive CG thread and including tidbits on character specific CGs and Tricks.

Even handoff info for each character.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Since it's Thanksgiving weekend and whatnot, I'll try to compile everything I know about CGs. I'll try to have it up by Sunday.

edit: Unless Wobbles decides he wants to do it since he probably knows a lot more than I do. I'll probably still do this at least for myself, though.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

man I tryed to make something like that before but no one looked

 

[SoldierRift]

Raaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwr

eating cookies raaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrr

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

hey are you going to incudle the ones that are a litte bit crazy little d-throw wd uptilt and will it incudle on who to what %? indeed cookies are food you should tell some jewish people this not trying to insult anyone here.

 

[ChivalRuse]

The problem with "chain grabbing" with utilt is that it's easy to smash DI.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

yeah but everything has a falw and I want to have the craziest ice climbers ever. I want to try to mix up chain throws and de-synce a lot and randomly down-smash I love that move ssooooo much.

Has anyone ever tryed to get a long chain of de-synces in a match?

 

[choknater]

ah my friend used dthrow -> uair -> dair on low % peach yesterday ahhh so simple and does plenty of damage, imma do it

 

[KirbyKaze]

Can you follow from the Dair?

 

[Fly_Amanita]

That sounds really unreliable.

I don't think it's worth taking of the risk of trying to grab Peach most of the time unless you're confident that the grab will result in a KO or ton of damage. Thus, I recommend mainly looking for grabs near the edge or at high percentages.

 

[ChivalRuse]

ah my friend used dthrow -> uair -> dair on low % peach yesterday ahhh so simple and does plenty of damage, imma do it

How does the dair connect? Doesn't the uair push her up too far?

 

[choknater]

oh i forgot to mention it was with solo popo

 

[Fly_Amanita]

What sort of DI did the Peach have and what percentage was she at?

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Choknater said it was low percent.

Sounds like it could work.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

That won't work if Peach DIs away and uses nair.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Oh thats right.

Nair.....blah.


Thas why some cgs that would be viable are not.


**** NAIR.

 

[Smasher89]

I guess (but havent really thinked about trying it when I´ve had the oppoturnity) that dthrow, reverse bair to usmash/dashattack might work, which could lead to uair...

 

[choknater]

dthrow dash attack sounds cool too

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I beat Hugo and Joe! Then MacD ***** me.

I still struggle with ICs vs. Peach, but my secondaries do a lot worse. I can't use other characters.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Sounds like once you get that match-up down, you'll be set. ^_^

 

[Fly_Amanita]

If anybody cares, my idea for an infinite doesn't work. Oh well, the handoff is good enough in most regards!

 

[Cia]

Peach is for sure the gayest match up.

I don't mind Peach. Like at all.

I find Marth, Fox, Samus and Ganon to be waaaay tougher than Peach.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

If you do fine against Peach with ICs, then more power to you.

Fox isn't that bad. We generally outrange him and can punish his mistakes absurdly hard, but he can shine and run backwards and stuff. I think you need to be really aggressive against Fox and force him to confront you, but you need to be very wary of the shine at the same time.

Marth is weird and I feel like he should be terrible, but ICs have ways of finding openings in odd places against him. He's really hard to approach, but you can often force him to approach you via projectile harassment. Shield-camping tends work really well if the Marth doesn't like to grab ICs a lot. Marths that grab a lot can be scary, but we punish missed grabs really hard.

Samus is odd. I don't really know what to say about her at the moment. I do fine against Hugo, but poorly against other good Samus players. I guess I'm only accustomed to Hugo's playstyle.

Ganon is an *******.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Ganon is an *******.

Retreating fairs are hard enough to deal with as Fox. There's a reason why I only play ICz in certain match-ups.

 

[SoldierRift]

Im not sure if this is wabbloing (or whatever you call it)

but today I was dysynching and I started throwing my opponent(BOWSER)

and I threw him with nana but then right after I did the throw popo caught him (LIKE seriously right after the throw not even 1 second)

It was a pretty awesome chain grab and im just wondering if any of you guys practicing dysynching ever did this?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216589 You can also b-throw regrab bowser I discover that part. read stickies they are there for an amazeing reason

 

[SoldierRift]

Thanks for the site( LOl wobbles banned hahahahahaha)

Thats what wobbles are.

Well what I was really talking about though is that I was dysynching and then I grabed bowser threw him forward while having nana or popo( O forgot) wavedashed forward and grabbed him.

I was thinking about doing this as a combo for going all the way to the end of the stage. but sadly im a horrible wavedasher and my grabs suck and im not really good with the ice climbers.

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Please sir let PICHU DIE....

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hey if you ever meet an ice climber player with no nametag talk him to call himself grabs the ice climber main. Hey ice climbers are amazing for learning how to wd but for some reason I find it easier to wd when I have both ice climbers.

this isn't the pichu boards or ice climbers vs pichu thread thing. I once got banned forever for doing that.

 

[SoldierRift]

Oh yea I was being sarcastic about that hahahhaha.

Yea I find it easier to wavedash with both of them too. When I just have one of them it seems shorter and harder.

Plus I hate using Luigi cause he sucks so much and sometimes I accidently do a full jump and get agitated...