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Fly_Amanita

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Being able to start it quickly is probably the most important skill after simply maintaining a rhythm.

I'm not sure what to suggest if you don't have a good sense of the timing. I wobble pretty slowly compared to most other ICs since I'm comfortable with the slower tempo and I don't have rushing problems. If you have rushing issues, I would guess that it's better to stick to one of the faster tempos that work.

You could always try to think of a song that has so-and-so tempo and think of that when wobbling, too. Just try not to let the sounds of the headbutts and ftilts/dtilts throw you off. I used to always fail at wobbling since the aforementioned sounds are a bit out of sync with the desired rhythm.
 

PokemonMasterIRL

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I listen to the rhythm that my buttons make as I Wobble, I also do it at a much slower pace than other people I see Wobble, but I am a bit sadistic in the fact I like the mindgame of your opponent having to sit there helplessly for as long as possible, as they are slowly finished off.



Also as of late, I really like Yoshi's Island as an Icys' stage, it is easy to score the KO since the level is small, and if some on is ****** Nana you are always within range to punish.


I cannot consistently charge smashes out of grab, so when I smash out of grab on larger levels it doesnt kill as early as I would like, so I just pick smaller levels.
 

Fly_Amanita

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I listen to the rhythm that my buttons make as I Wobble, I also do it at a much slower pace than other people I see Wobble, but I am a bit sadistic in the fact I like the mindgame of your opponent having to sit there helplessly for as long as possible, as they are slowly finished off.
rofl. If you don't already, you should use dtilt instead of ftilt for wobbling since it does less damage and thus makes wobbling take longer.

Why can't you consistently charge smashes out of grabs? That is definitely something you should get down.
 

smakis

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charged smashes are really easy to do, jab once, release the button, then input smash of your choice just as popo's headbutt animation ends

when i wobble i try to zone out, as soon as i notice i have started it i focus soley on my fingers, still looking at the screen but focusing my intention on my thumb keeping the same steady rhytm.
 

Fly_Amanita

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I think I identified a significant weakness of mine today. I bet a lot of people share it, too, although I currently am having a hard time articulating everything about it that I want to. I'll try to have a thread up by tomorrow.

edit: Nevermind, it's not that interesting.
 

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my ic's ****

um against peach these days i play falco, or peach ditto

but with falco u have to be really consistent and kinda think harder than the peach

so i'm gonna try to get my peach good enough so that i can always peach ditto

i gauge my skill level vs macd, i hope to play him again next time hes up here in norcal

he's gotten so much better since he moved
 

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well chok, i'll be in norcal on thurs fri and sat, but i think i'm gonig home on sat so if you wanna play it'd have to be the day after thanksgiving which will be hella hard i'm sure

but you're going to have to get my IC's into top shape, next arcadian tourney that happens in so cal i plan to be ranked which means i can't use my main
 

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Good stuff, Finch. The main thing I noticed was you got shined a lot. You should lightshield more confidently. Uuaa like never grabbed you that whole set (at least not enough that I noticed it). So why not shield and wait for him to make a mistake?

If you analyze Chu's play carefully, you'll realize that his play is based around shield camping. He wavedashes in and out of light shield, bairs out of shield, shield grabs, wavedashes to dsmash, uairs out of shield, wavejabs to grab. It's all about the light shield. ICs double shield is so hard to l-cancel on. You'll get a good number of shield grabs on Fox, even one as technical as Uuaa.

Btw, I haven't posted in this thread for a while. I must have unsubscribed accidentally or something. Well, I'm back to playing ICs. Wobbling peeps in friendlies is too funny. :laugh:
 

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well chok, i'll be in norcal on thurs fri and sat, but i think i'm gonig home on sat so if you wanna play it'd have to be the day after thanksgiving which will be hella hard i'm sure

but you're going to have to get my IC's into top shape, next arcadian tourney that happens in so cal i plan to be ranked which means i can't use my main
im having a smashfest at my house the day after thanksgiving
 

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well then, i guess that's what i'm doing on friday

things to work on/teach me that day

-wobbling
-reverse dthrow chain grab
-cool grab stuff
-how to not suck

and anything else that goes hand in hand with IC's
 

Fly_Amanita

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I am having one Thanksgiving.
That is awesome.


edit: I keep changing mind about whether I want to post something or not. It basically concerns making efficient use of time for thinking and not being overly focused on the present when you don't need to as a means of coping with difficulty solving problems on the fly, if that makes any sense. Am I stupid for making a big deal about this? There are a few things I could say that I don't perceive as totally obvious, but other people might.
 

PokemonMasterIRL

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That is awesome.


edit: I keep changing mind about whether I want to post something or not. It basically concerns making efficient use of time for thinking and not being overly focused on the present when you don't need to as a means of coping with difficulty solving problems on the fly, if that makes any sense. Am I stupid for making a big deal about this? There are a few things I could say that I don't perceive as totally obvious, but other people might.
I get what you are saying, only because I camp a lot, (when I am not being retardedly aggressive) and sometimes my mind wanders haha.
 

PokemonMasterIRL

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Cuz I want to make sure it works, how it works at different percents, and who it works on.

So far its only effective against Ganon, Samus, and Bowser. And doesnt work on Fox and Falco.

Im still testing it.


Oh **** wait a sec it might work on the whole cast.
 

PokemonMasterIRL

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It works on Peach too.

Basically in a nutshell I am just changing the timing on things that did not work or using a different throw, until they do work.

For example: VS Samus Grab >Make Nana Short Hop Right before inputing Bthrow>Bthrow>Input Dair right as they leave your hands>Regrab.

I can put a vid of tomorrow.

That is the kinda standard Tall/Heavy character one. Doesnt work on Marth and Spacies.

More later still testing.

Oh and there is a legitimate CG on Peach. (F that Ho.)
 

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Hey PokemonMasterIRL I,ve done that before IO,ve tryed many ideas I would think that one would pretty good also you can do the B-throw hand off on bowser and it's amazing and for some reason nana normally b-throws too.

Heres a few tthings i,ve tryed
Up-throw fair metor smash(jump, tilt up(for upthrow, c-stick fair, di a little back with nana during fair so it hits better, sadly there is to much lag from throw to grab after wards :( that or i,m slow)

down-throw SH upair are FFers.

You you could have called it leech seed. I would have called it "Frankinfresh"
 

PokemonMasterIRL

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PMIRL, I'm pretty sure almost all characters could SDI the dair upwards to escape that.
Cant the same be said for the Reverse Dair CG on Falcon though?

Thats why I didnt want to say anything until I tested it more.
I was just being facetious asking about a name.

And also Dair has different properties depending on which part of it his and how long its been out, I think there is a frame/window/part of it that you can truly CG with.

Im gunna keep testing, I did it against a friend last night, but I kept messing up the timing, its pretty strict for the specific timing/part if the Dair I am using + the exact moment before they are released from the Bthrow.


And what is the CG that is Peach specific? There is one isnt there?
 

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Wanna share?

Sharing is caring.

and

Knowing is half the battle.
uair and down air a lot, if she learns the range where she can punish ur uair and dair, start using blizzards more on the ground cuz then she'll have to start jumping up high again, and then u can uair again

and then if she stays in the air, u can just wd all over the place and get under her and uair some more, or attempt to get some grabs/usmashes

if she is too close, jab cancels are AMAZING!!!!!!!

also, you guys might not have heard me say this before but i always say it: i trade dairs with puff all day. if she spaces aerials wrong on my shield, i punish with dair. basically if a dair connects, it puts puff in this weird tapped position and usually she just wants to reset her spacing, making it totally safe.

anyway, besides specific options, this is how i think of the matchup in my head: "i dont care if i get hit, if i just space well and keep hitting her, i'll have a huge advantage even if i trade because ic's do way more damage." she dies from uair at like 90 or 100 and she dies from smashes at like 70. it's sooo easy to get that kind of damage.

i kno u guys like to know whats safe, but i'm really a pressure oriented player, and i am usually really aggressive in my matchups. with puff, it's totally different, u have to know which attacks to use, but u can still stay on her *** the whole time even though she is flying around. uairs + dairs are key.... in fact, all your aerials are good against her. u will outdamage puff sooooo hard trust me, just dont get edge guarded

when she starts ****** nana it gets annoying, her edgeguarding is really powerful and her bair spacing is really hard, but if u keep moving and attacking you will definitely find places where she is open.

solo popo is also better at this matchup than he is at other top tier matchups, cuz puff is slow so he has breathing room

What that hell should I do when I grab Jiggs, Chok?
i usually just smash her right away, or blizzard then smash. just focus on high damage, u can't really combo her from there

unless u go for choknater combo :)

if shes at low percent i go for choknater combos lol (dthrow, nana dair, popo dair) in fact, the choknater combo works so well on puff cuz no one ever knows its coming and puff doesnt really have ways to punish it if both dairs connect. and if she REALLY di's bad, nana can dsmash, fsmash, or regrab

i got an amazing kill yesterday, but only cuz puff had bad di. yoshi's story: dthrow, dair, dair, nana regrab, popo fsmash. she died at 40% cuz she was di'ing away


here's a mental image that can help u guys:

think of puff as diagonal, almost horizontal lines across the stage. her aerial movement is very powerful horizontally.

ic's, however, are a solid line on the floor of the stage, and they can move along that line. then anywhere on that line, they can create a vertical line by jumping and doing a uair, then dair/fair. if u realize the limits on puff's movements and know the strengths of ic's movement, u will find that they are actually evenly matched IMO. since puff usually stays in the air, the ic's can stay on the ground and threaten her with an aerial, usmash, or blizzard. ic's have to cover themselves, but don't think u are in a defensive position just cuz she is flying around, ic's uair like the best uair in the game lol.

if u guys have aim, im me haha i like talking about melee ic's
 

Smasher89

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I´ve praciced wobbling for like 2.5-3 hrs today and a few hours earlier in the week, it seems like my biggest problem is to start it (one or two jabs from Nana?) and to know if it´s THE timing to know I just have to keep going. It´s kinda random because sometimes I get it a few tries in a row and sometimes I´m not even close for 15 tries :(. Atleast there´s a tournament this weekend^^

I press quite quickly and seem to press double as many times as needed, just to get a similar tempo to wobbles ones against Ken, it helps a little to just look at the % instead of the characters atleast.


When precticing I´ve also learnt how the bthrow reverse dsmash timing goes:
cstick down, then quite quickly bthrow, can probably work as a nice quick suprisemove in the CG to get som easy KOs...
 

Smasher89

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It´s not banned and theres no reason that it will be^^ But noone really have mastered it here (even though I see Calle W doing it sometimes in friendlies for fun..
 

Smasher89

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Hmm, got 4stocked against CW on fountain of dreams this time :/

Something I noticed in friendlies though was that Desynchpressure worked against Fox (friendlies though) as long as frametraps like Nana fsmash poposhield was being used, dsmash can work at puniching a mispaced nair (as even for peach fair) and Popos Jab to turnaround dsmash seems like a faster way of hitting with the dsmash after the jab^^...
 
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