General Final Fantasy Discussion - Final Fantasy XII remake incoming!

[PsychoIncarnate]

The Spoony One is doing a special on FFXIII and how much the series has fallen

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/12/15/final-fantasy-xiii-part-1/

 

[Minato]

I've always felt FFXIII had good ATB. Weird.

Everything about FFXIII is pretty much polarizing. With that said, I thought the ATB was all right at first, but I didn't find it to be anything special over the other games. I'm satisfied with classic ATB.

If XIII's ATB was put into an MMO, that'd be interesting though.

 

[Jon Farron]

Bought a new computer for FFXIV 2.0! \o/

Just need a graphics card and Windows 8, then I'm all set :3

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Bought a new computer for FFXIV 2.0! \o/

Just need a graphics card and Windows 8, then I'm all set :3

Well, you're going to be a while.

I have a 570 Evga, 16gb of ram, 3.8 quad, but... no ffxiv for me.

They're still in ALPHA testing >_<.

You need windows 8 for xiv, or want?

Btw, is The Last Story Battle system anything like FF?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

No, it's like FFXII from what I've seen.

Either way, it's not my cup of tea

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Hmm I put 350 hours into FFXII...

 

[LivewiresXe]

The Spoony One is doing a special on FFXIII and how much the series has fallen

http://spoonyexperiment.com/2012/12/15/final-fantasy-xiii-part-1/

He started off doing what I thought was bashing FFVIII, but...then said a lot worse happened and I understood. Though at 4 minutes in, I still don't see what's bad with FFX.

 

[Jon Farron]

The Last Story isn't anything like a FF battle system. It's more of a walk up and slash the enemy battle system, lol.

 

[Jon Farron]

Well, you're going to be a while.

I have a 570 Evga, 16gb of ram, 3.8 quad, but... no ffxiv for me.

They're still in ALPHA testing >_<.

You need windows 8 for xiv, or want?

Btw, is The Last Story Battle system anything like FF?

I have an i5 unlocked, 4gb of ram, planning to buy this card. Will it work? D:

(probably upgrade ram sometime in future)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He started off doing what I thought was bashing FFVIII, but...then said a lot worse happened and I understood. Though at 4 minutes in, I still don't see what's bad with FFX.

He's got a multi part special on both FF 8 and 10

 

[LivewiresXe]

He's got a multi part special on both FF 8 and 10

Hm, that's kinda interesting that he has a multi-part thing up on those. That being said though, I'd be more interested on him and Maffew doing another wrestling panel on things again.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

I have an i5 unlocked, 4gb of ram, planning to buy this card. Will it work? D:

(probably upgrade ram sometime in future)

Honestly it's going to be rough. Did you play FFXIV?


You actually got me curious if Wndows 8 is required, I doubt it yeah?

I was lv 50. BLM MNK BRD DRG other classes 40. All craft and gathering 50 or 40ish

 

[Kuraudo]

I'm just gonna be over here enjoying FFXIII and XIII-2.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You do that, over there

 

[Kuraudo]

You do that, over there

I most certainly will.

So who'd all pay to play an HD Dissidia game with proper online?

 

[Jon Farron]

Honestly it's going to be rough. Did you play FFXIV?


You actually got me curious if Wndows 8 is required, I doubt it yeah?

I was lv 50. BLM MNK BRD DRG other classes 40. All craft and gathering 50 or 40ish

No, I haven't played it yet. I heard 2.0 was going to be able to work on lower-end PCs also.

Doubt Windows 8 will be required, probably XP or 7 though o:

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Auto attack was the best thing ever invented for classic RPG's.

Especially for people that grind levels like I do

 

[Jon Farron]

I HATE auto-attack, it always screwed me up one way or the other and I had to quickly take control before some serious damage occurred. (Game Over)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I only do it when I don't consider the enemy a threat. I wouldn't dare do it on bosses or enemies that are too close to my level.

Just grinding.

 

[finalark]

I only do it when I don't consider the enemy a threat. I wouldn't dare do it on bosses or enemies that are too close to my level.

Just grinding.

I'm pretty sure that's all it was meant for.

Or JRPG devs could just try to take grinding out of their games. Oh wait, that would cut down on the 60 hours required to finish one of those titles. Honestly, that's one of my biggest pet peeves about the genre.

I most certainly will.

So who'd all pay to play an HD Dissidia game with proper online?

I would. It would be nice to see a proper console version of those games so I can play without the nub.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Or JRPG devs could just try to take grinding out of their games. Oh wait, that would cut down on the 60 hours required to finish one of those titles. Honestly, that's one of my biggest pet peeves about the genre.

I totally agree with this. Interestingly enough, this is why I don't hate Final Fantasy XIII like some other people (not that it's my favorite by any means); grinding isn't required. Granted, it can make battles easier, one can just bum rush the game, fighting whatever battles are necessary, and still have just enough abilities to get the job done.

I could say the same about Super Mario RPG, but that's because by the time I reach Monstro Town, I'd have already done the 100 Super Jumps, getting the Attack Scarf and the Super Suit, slapping those bad boys on Mario, and never having to grind ever... But I digress. lol

I would. It would be nice to see a proper console version of those games so I can play without the nub.

They should release an HD version of both (or at least Duodecim). I mean, if they can release HD ports of MGS: Peace Walker and God of War: Chains of Olympus/Ghost of Sparta, they can do the same for Dissidia, couldn't they? Square did say they were releasing HD ports of Kingdom Hearts/Re:Chain of Memories/Kingdom Hearts 2 as well as Final Fantasy X, so maybe they might see reason to treat Dissidia with such love in the future?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Maybe that's WHY I hate FF XIII, because it doesn't have grinding.

I do prefer the older FF's.

I also prefer customization mechanics over storyline. TBH, I found most of the FF stories convoluted, absurd, and shallow.

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Also, what I would REALLY love is a turn based, job system game on the 3DS based in the world of Ivalice.

And of course having multiple characters with different races. A bangaa character, moogle character, Viera, etc.

 

[Rutger]

Or JRPG devs could just try to take grinding out of their games. Oh wait, that would cut down on the 60 hours required to finish one of those titles. Honestly, that's one of my biggest pet peeves about the genre.

I don't really have a problem with grinding.

I think games developed by Atlus tend to handle it nicely, grinding feels largely optional for them, unless you really screw up/don't know what you are doing or decide to tackle bonus bosses/dungeons. Their games usually have a nice balance of keeping you at the level you need to be as long as you don't run away too much, while still allowing you to grind a couple of levels for that shiny new demon/persona.

I always want that shiny new demon/persona. Besides, how you use your skills is usually more important than level in their games anyway.

I think grinding is fine if it feels like you are really working towards something, like new skills. I also don't really care about grinding that much as long as I enjoy the battle system.

 

[Claire Diviner]

I don't really have a problem with grinding.

I think games developed by Atlus tend to handle it nicely, grinding feels largely optional for them, unless you really screw up/don't know what you are doing or decide to tackle bonus bosses/dungeons.

I think grinding is fine if it feels like you are really working towards something, like new skills. I also don't really care about grinding that much as long as I enjoy the battle system.

Etrian Odyssey comes to mind as a contradiction to this (save for the battle system, which I do like). lol. I don't care about grinding too much either, so as long as excessive grinding isn't a requirement to progress through the story.

 

[Rutger]

You don't need to grind in Etrian Odyssey if you have a good team, you will only need to when you want to change your skill points or add a new character. The beginning of the games can be bad, but you just need to take it slowly. Gradually exploring a few new paths in the labyrinth and then heading back to town before starting all over really adds up.

Yeah, I guess it's not as optional as a SMT game, but it can be done. Or maybe I'm just biased since EOIII has been one of my favorite JRPGs I've played.

Or maybe because the games are pretty much just one big dungeon crawl they could be considered nothing but grinding, I don't know. :/

 

[Lythium]

For me, it depends on the game.

I don't particularly mind grinding unless the battle system is boring, or if the encounter rate is really high (early FFs, I'm looking at you), so I constantly feel like I'm being forced into battle. In that case, grinding gets old really fast. If the battle system is fun or interesting though, it's usually pretty enjoyable. Chrono Trigger, Persona, FFXIII, and other games like that are fine, and I didn't mind grinding at all.

Also, if you can choose when you want to grind, it's not so bad. Some games where you feel like you can't progress until you get to certain level or have a certain skill though, that's pretty irritating.

Grinding is only a slog if it's tedious, in my opinion.

 

[Claire Diviner]

You don't need to grind in Etrian Odyssey if you have a good team, you will only need to when you want to change your skill points or add a new character. The beginning of the games can be bad, but you just need to take it slowly. Gradually exploring a few new paths in the labyrinth and then heading back to town before starting all over really adds up.

Yeah, I guess it's not as optional as a SMT game, but it can be done. Or maybe I'm just biased since EOIII has been one of my favorite JRPGs I've played.

Or maybe because the games are pretty much just one big dungeon crawl they could be considered nothing but grinding, I don't know. :/

Etrian Odyssey is definitely a grindfest. Funny thing is, it's one of my favorite RPGs, let alone handheld RPGs, I've played. lol

 

[LivewiresXe]

My thought on grinding is pretty much that I don't mind a little bit, but if it REALLY slows down story progression (like say...Fina Fantasy IV) then I want nothing to do with it. Like I didn't mind a bit of it in the Chrono or Suikoden games, and whenever I start off Final Fantasy Tactics the first thing I do actually is grind to like...level 7 or 8 at the beginning of Chapter 1 so I'm normally good and on par for the rest of the game.

 

[Minato]

For FFs, I'd say 1-5+Tactics are the only ones where you need to grind. I guess XII too.

For Chrono Trigger, even backtracking makes you pretty powerful.
You can even get everyone's techs in 20 minutes if you grind at a certain area midway through the same. I try to avoid doing that, but it's pretty fun getting Luminaire and stuff early, haha.

 

[Jon Farron]

Anyone have Heroes of Ruin? I got it for Christmas, but I keep running into afk players online, or keep getting kicked out D:

 

[Jon Farron]

UUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

I bought a $700 computer to play Final Fantasy XIV with, and THEY CLOSED THE DAMN GAME ALREADY OMG. I'm so pissed right now I don't even know where to begin. $700 in the toilet for nothing.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

There are other PC games out there. Good ones, even.

It's not completely a waste.

Smooth Criminal

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There's also MMO's out there that don't suck

Edit: Wow, FF singlehandedly created the most BORING looking race choices I've ever seen in an MMO

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Speaking of grinding, look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvklVZFrjWA

I apologize in advance for quality.

 

[Jon Farron]

I think I'll just renew my FF 11 subscription.... even though my old computer could run it at max settings. e.e Lol this one will destroy it ;D


Btw, anyone have Xenoblade? It's soooo good! The story is VERY long, but very well done also! I couldn't figure out who the bad guy was until like 3/4 of the game had passed D:

 

[Minato]

Xenoblade's probably my favorite JRPG this gen in terms of story and exploration. It's too bad it doesn't get a lot of recognition for being released late here and being a Nintendo and Gamestop exclusive game. Only thing that's weak to me is the battle system. It isn't bad, but it didn't click with me to the point where I was addicted to grinding like FFXII's. It's more interactive though which is a plus.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Not knowing who the villain is, is good writing?

 

[Minato]

White Mage didn't mean it in that way, haha. But basically with the twists and turns it takes, they did a good job on revealing who the final villain would be. So yeah, in the typical JRPG's "last boss isn't who it appears to be", it did a good job since the clues and motives were scattered about. Much better than something totally random like FFIV or IX.

 

[Jon Farron]

Lol no I didn't mean it that way, I just liked how it wasn't predictable. But it did indeed have good writing. The FF9 boss was so random and just didn't fit AT ALL, lol.

Xenoblade felt a bit like FFXII, which is also one of my favorites RPGs.

I'm at the ending and I have to say

Spoiler

omg WHY IS EVERYONE EVIL? D: I suspected ****son, but Alvis? No way o.o I mean he was suspsicious, but I thought that was just how he was, not to the point of being an evil nasty D:

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Um... they closed FFXIV.

They are rebooting it as FFXIV 2.0 in July...you know this right?

My crappy FFXIV Char gets transported to 2.0, the only advantedge to playing that damn game.