General Discussion & Character Rankings

[C~Dog]

MK's Hitboxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VdyG0eMeDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNg93kEKlWk&feature=channel


Snake's Hitboxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpn8X9uhKIM

I just wanna say that ftilt and utilt are ****ing ludicrous.

 

[luke_atyeo]

lololololol condog

 

[Scabe]

Did you even watch the vid Luke?

Far out, most of Snake's hitboxes are like his whole body.

 

[Attila_]

snake's pivot grab is my personal favorite...

 

[Bjay]

That up smash tilt. >.>

 

[tibs7]

mmm snake dash attack has invincibilty? best dash attack in the game?

 

[J-Birds]

I would have liked to have seen his boost grab.
The invincibility is only on the front of him like where his arms go out.

 

[luke_atyeo]

Did you even watch the vid Luke?

nah I only just watched it then, youtube is blocked at work.
this is great for teaching people about boost grabbing.

 

[Attila_]

mmm snake dash attack has invincibilty? best dash attack in the game?

so stupid. it just means his arms dont have a hurtbox, doofus. oh, and its very punishable upon shield, unlike another character i know...

 

[Sieg]

It's Metaknight isn't it.

Metaknight?

I swear to god it's Metaknight.

 

[tibs7]

nah it has invincibility you loser. nah not completely punishable as you can cancel it into a upsmash on shield.......

 

[luke_atyeo]

yeah learn to do the contact mortar slide attila, I learnt it off tedeth and it works wonders for me

 

[Attila_]

its not so much learn how to do it, its remember to press cstick up whenever you hit with a dash attack. actually, its one of the tricks im bringing home with me btw...

and even that can be punished with a banana Oos (3 frames). blocking all of diddy's dash attack means you get out of your shield on the same frame that has completely finished his move (ie not a single frame to counter it). stupid.

:D

 

[tibs7]

we've discussed this.
snake can pull out a nade and do some damage. yes you take (a little) more but who cares when you're snake right?

 

[xXArrowXx]

grenade drop shield ftw lol

 

[tibs7]

see? arrow knows his shiz

 

[Attila_]

that doesnt make sense. at all. if im shielding i cant pull out a nade until the attack is over. countering with a nade (12% to 21%) can only happen if i get hit by hits 1,2 and 3 (can only pull it out between 2 and 3, cant drop shield in time if 1 was shielded). not a counter either way. further, this puts snake and diddy in the air, a place where diddy wins the fight.

broken.

 

[xXArrowXx]

u pull it out before he dash attacks

and while in the air you just be evasive =P unless diddy does somethign stupid

or just perfect shield everything

 

[Attila_]

arrow... it sounds like you need a bit more matchup experience... it sounds like you've been playing against cpus too long...

i make comments with frame data and experience backing up my decisions; you and tibs make sweeping statements without any real logic/thought behind them... please dont be like him

 

[luke_atyeo]

personally I think I'd do snakes upB out of shield, and then take advantage of the confusion to plant a c4 onto the banana peel.

 

[Sieg]

Frame data and logic don't always make a match.

Theories about Daigo's Yomi comes to mind.

 

[xXArrowXx]

snakes normally have grenades out at all times anyway XP
try reflecting banana with nikita =D

 

[Toby.]

Luke had the best idea imo.

But yeah really the best solution for snake is to just get a grenade before hand. Or walk two steps back and ftilt/uptilt. Or do the tilts without even walking back...?

Snake has options.

 

[J-Birds]

Diddys dash attack? I really don't see it as an issue, sure its good but there are many ways around it. Heck you probably already do most of them without noticing.
As far as grenades are concerned I'm usually approaching (approaching with snake lol) with one or have one close enough by it doesn't matter.

 

[Shaya]

And as Diddy's dash attack has SO MANY hits,

it's incredibly easy to smash di it to a comfortable position, where you could either bair him or try to land into an ftilt/utilt.

 

[swordsaint]

I think we've established Attila sucks. Let's move on. <3 Attila

 

[Attila_]

fine then. of course snake has options. but it doesnt change the fact that you unshield on the same frame that he ends his move. does this happen with any other moves in the game (besides mk)?

 

[tibs7]

just stop complaining, seriously. snake > diddy. no reason to complain
complainer

 

[Shaya]

ummm... MANY
MANY
moves are over by the time the opponent can unshield.

(Like every fast falled auto-cancelled aerial)

I believe a fresh first hit of ftilt on shield (Snake's) also has this shield pressuring property.

 

[I LAG]

man snake > EVERYONE

its not like he is **** like mk and dies early and doesn't have a projectile

/trolling

 

[xXArrowXx]

oo i am mk i cant be edge guarded

oo i am snake i cant fight in the air

 

[I LAG]

;-; djb cant edge guard my mk just with sonics spring

ITS SOOO BROKEN!!!

 

[xXArrowXx]

oh i was thinking about chris's mk sorry..

but every snake spams the tilts so its never fresh =D unless its fresh prince of bair

 

[luke_atyeo]

somehow I can edgeguard noob mk's with nair

such an underated move, nair is like my signature move.

 

[Attila_]

l2 be ally and then you can edgeguard mk with fair! ive dun it once to someone... i think it was khoa...

 

[Alzi]

I still lol everytime i look at this list .

For alot of reasons.

 

[luke_atyeo]

poor khoa... I beat his mk quite easily and I didnt even get hit until after I had taken his first stock off...

only the bestest of mk's can roll with me / end boast

 

[Hotdog]

poor khoa... I beat his mk quite easily and I didnt even get hit until after I had taken his first stock off...

only the bestest of mk's can roll with me / end boast

And Kirby's.

 

[luke_atyeo]

lol, hows this for hog****? reminds me of a certain someone trying to grab as much money as he can.

 

[Smash your MoM]

i think ur PR is wrong...ya some scrubs.......much love tho