General Discussion & Character Rankings

[tedeth]

Oh man. I hope you're talking about ftilt or dtilt. 'Cause then when you play my wario i can lol like crazy as you go "Oh no! How could I not ****ing hit that?"

 

[I LAG]

TED SHUT THE **** UP!!!
THATS THE SCAR COMBO

no one read this

Spoiler

D-TILT to GRAB when <40%
and
F-TILT to GRAB when >40%

but the 4th spammable move isn't the scar combo even though it is the most spammable move in the game. I would like to keep it a secret or people might steal it like wolfs short hop blaster which i invented <.<

 

[luke_atyeo]

how could you not ****ing hit that?
how could you not ****ing hit that?
how could you not ****ing hit that?

should you even play smash brothers?

********************************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




ahh ted's too good

 

[Zero]

So I hope no TO from Australia is actually considering banning MK even if the SBR makes it official (which looks unlikely at this stage).

except for SA, they need to revert the 1/4 ban that they already have.

 

[swordsaint]

Why don't we just ban SA from the Australian Results classification?

 

[Hotdog]

Need I say more? Also Scar can actually go even with me on Rainbow Cruise with MK. so get *****
Rainbow Cruise with MK
with MK
MK

Anyways, just leave it and settle it at Rocky with a Money match if you both are going =D

Whats the 1/4 Ban that have in SA?

 

[Zero]

We settled it previously with a money match, I allowed him to CP RC with MK twice I banned Japes instead.

In SA, if you win any match with MK, you are not allowed to use him again in a set. Stupid, I know. Too scared to have a hard ban.

 

[Hotdog]

But this is Rocky, in front of everyone =D

I see, strange type of ban you guys got there. (I kind of don't mind it =P)

 

[Browny]

I dont think MK does that great on RC to be perfectly honest. its more so the fact that almost every other character sucks horribly on the stage, and MK is one of the few who doesnt rely on a few, reliable approaches (see, marth/fox/peach) so the moving stage only ever limits a small portion of his possible options. ZSS is not one of those characters, the inherent advantage MK has over everyone else is lost on that stage.

G&W on RC is more scary lol.

 

[Zero]

But this is Rocky, in front of everyone =D

Good point. Bring it, all MK mains

@djb: you forgot MK's masive potential for aircamping on RC. I thought you'd be the first to mention it, being in SA with all of the pro MKs.

 

[Browny]

I wouldnt know, i never use a character on RC vs MK who cant deal with aircamping lol

aircamp vs G&W on RC and watch what happens

 

[luke_atyeo]

I dont think MK does that great on RC to be perfectly honest. its more so the fact that almost every other character sucks horribly on the stage, and MK is one of the few who doesnt rely on a few, reliable approaches (see, marth/fox/peach) so the moving stage only ever limits a small portion of his possible options. ZSS is not one of those characters, the inherent advantage MK has over everyone else is lost on that stage.

G&W on RC is more scary lol.

wow... you never cease to amaze me

 

[Browny]

wow... you never cease to amaze me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh_nb40GFl4

1:12



btw dont get me wrong luke i just think that characters which adopt (are capable of) an aerial defensive playstyle fare better on RC. G&W and ZSS fall into that category with their protective attacks (bair, sideb) since many characters are extremely limited in how they can approach on that stage, you can shut down their options easily as they may only have one. a defensive MK would indeed be beast on RC, not because the stage makes him god tier, but because many characters simply can not approach him. ive used MK on RC in tournament multiple times before and he just feels limited to me. I cant abuse ledges, using shuttle loop, sideb or tornado becomes extremely risky and he can die at very low %'s off the top. Hes no where near as limited as everyone else, but IMO the stage does not simply make him better (unlike lets say, Shadow moses and snake/DDD lol)

 

[Shaya]

He can just chill and gimp everyone, all the time.

No other stage really allows MK to have half the stage optimal "I can gimp you anytime, because youll have to jump eventually, DOHOHOHOHO". The horizontal moving part MK can just run away to avoid confrontation; and the ship isn't really bad for him due to it's shape allowing for sexy shuttle loop gimps. Plus dtilt locks.

MK on RC is generally considered an auto win for good reason. But it requires a different playstyle that not many MKs here are even aware of/have practiced. They're better off just doing their neutrals or delphino/frigate ****.

 

[Browny]

dont be hating on frigate now :O best stage evar

 

[tedeth]

Wario beats MK on RC. True story.

 

[Shaya]

Not according to DMG.

 

[Browny]

Ive never tried CP'ing wario on RC... im guessing its worked well for you in the past?

/me goes to find videos of it

 

[tedeth]

I beat chill on RC when he CPed it against me Shaya.

The boat is kind of neutral for them, Wario's fsmash kills MK pretty early but he dies early aswell.
The rising part is good because, as DMG said (Shaya), it's best to be approaching MK from either beneath or above him. Wario can also avoid getting gimped as badly as most character by using his recovery well.
On the top part wario just kills insanely early with uair and MK doesn't kill nearly as well out the top.

Also the 1:30 waft kills MK at super low %s anywhere on the stage.

 

[Zero]

Ted, did you use your Wolf in America much?

 

[tedeth]

Yeah I did. My wolf is better and I will still use wolf for a fair few matchups, but after learning how gay wario can actually be, my wario became soooo much better.

 

[Zero]

I can't wait to play it. Hoping to get 3 stocked in all new, funky ways.

 

[Toby.]

Yeah I did. My wolf is better and I will still use wolf for a fair few matchups, but after learning how gay wario can actually be, gay wario became gay gay gay gay gay.

It sure did

I think our rankings needs more peach and pikachu rep. I'm not sure why I think this, though.

 

[F_T_S]

im thinking about pika as secondary ( remember?)

 

[Toby.]

I do remember, but you never come to tournaments!

it gives me a big sad.

i used to use pikachu back in the day. pika is pretty fun.

 

[I LAG]

if teds wolf got even i tiny bit better, my mk is ****ed until i learn how to perfect shield.
i'll just pick d3 and spam shield grab and random f-smashes

 

[Zero]

QACing across the stage is mega fun Your grab is also hax.

 

[tedeth]

lol scar wolf gets ***** so hard by real MKs. Not Wario though.

 

[I LAG]

lol scar wolf gets ***** so hard by real MKs. Not Wario though.

first u say my name is a fake and now you say my mk is fake ;-;
plz drop wolf and main wario
at least that match up is 50/50

 

[EverAlert]

I can confirm that Ted's Wario is now unrecognisably gay.

 

[Pirate.]

It sure did

I think our rankings needs more peach and pikachu rep. I'm not sure why I think this, though.

i'm maining peach noe, so there. did you guys verse any of the peaches in america?

 

[tedeth]

I played a good peach that beat my Wolf at Havok's house tourney. Super close match though I was soooo unlucky. It was the last stock of of the third game, i hate the peach on 120% and i was on like 60, then peach pulls a bomb and inserts it into my face. gg.

 

[CAOTIC]

That would have been Edrees. Dayummnn, he got 17th at Genesis. If I had his Peach i'd be the best in Aus by farrrrrr

 

[S.D]

Peach is a good character sort of.

I play her.

I like the way she can pull out Mr. Saturn XD

 

[Shaya]

That would have been Edrees. Dayummnn, he got 17th at Genesis. If I had his Peach i'd be the best in Aus by farrrrrr

I don't think so, StarWolf.

 

[luke_atyeo]

so, the fourth and final meta knight baning poll and arguement is up http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=242903

there are some pretty convincing arguements in there, and since we are a cheap imatation of the america scene, perhaps its worth discussing here too (I'm going to regret bringing this up I can tell)

 

[EverAlert]

While I think the Pro-Ban side presented much better arguments, I don't think it will really be enough to skew the poll results enough to trigger a ban. Most people have already decided on their stance.

Personally I'm Anti-Ban, primarily on principle. Banning characters in general is silly, the only time a character should be banned is when he is invincible. While Meta Knight is hella broken, he is NOT by any means unbeatable. Many players have proven that with enough practice, it is possible to cleanly take out Meta Knight with a variety of characters at all levels of play.

This entire situation smacks of desperation. People don't want to deal with Meta Knight, and while I don't blame them, I don't think banning him is the right way to go about it.

 

[I LAG]

if we ban metaknight i quit smash

 

[luke_atyeo]

my personal opinion is that even if america bans mk I say we dont, not until it becomes as big a problem here as it is there, which probably isnt going to happen.

alot of the main arguements for banning metaknight simply dont apply here.

 

[Zero]

my personal opinion is that even if america bans mk I say we dont, not until it becomes as big a problem here as it is there, which probably isnt going to happen.

alot of the main arguements for banning metaknight simply dont apply here.

This man is correct.