Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[Bloodynite]

personally if they dont ever go shiek then its a -1 or 0 mu imo since zelda doesn't have a whole lot of options of keeping ganon out

 

[Rizen]

personally if they dont ever go shiek then its a -1 or 0 mu imo since zelda doesn't have a whole lot of options of keeping ganon out

That's what I thought. It would be good if Ganon players could add their 2 cents to the discussion. Some Zeldas are saying it's +2Zelda and Ganon does worse in this MU than I think. Here's the link again
http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=201878&page=1

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Q what characters CG/grab release and have tactics like those on Ganon and from what %s?
How should Ganon escape?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vsDxZuXhid0#t=181s
this got me because it took me totally by surprise :/ .

 

[Supreme Dirt]

It's a +2 for Zelda. There's a lot of reasons for it, but it essentially comes down to Din's annoyance and lightning heels being ********. And it's not particularly hard to gimp a ganon who's been knocked offstage provided you don't rely on din's (LOL NAIR).

Wavebounced Nayru's used smartly is also stupid.

I've played this MU on both sides and can give more feedback when it is not 1) 5 am and 2) I'm not too lazy to log into AiB.

 

[Rizen]

^Love jumping?
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Okay, thanks for the MU input everyone. Keep in mind Sheik is not a factor.
I use both Zelda and Ganon and say it's 0 to +1 Zelda. Ganon's Uair>Zelda's LKs.

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Just curious what would you Ganon players say is his best move? I pick Uair.

 

[DLA]

Lots of chars can CG ganon. ICs, falco, DDD, pikachu, wario, marth, pit, lucario, yoshi, ZSS, even Snake. The only advice I can give is to learn how to mash properly. Not getting grabbed helps too.


Uair is the the AC/DC of Ganon's moveset. It's always an incredibly solid choice, but it doesn't do anything spectacular.

I think Ganon's best move is either Dash Attack (the Led Zeppelin of his moveset--an incredibly high quality dash attack that serves as an inspiration for dash attacks everywhere), or side B (the Beatles of his moveset--incredibly diverse, and practically defines an entire generation of Ganon).

 

[Bomber7]

Need y'alls input for this. It's sort of like an MU discussion.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228591

Spoiler

I'm beginning to think Rizen posts everywhere now.

 

[Rizen]

Uair is the the AC/DC of Ganon's moveset. It's always an incredibly solid choice, but it doesn't do anything spectacular.

I think Ganon's best move is either Dash Attack (the Led Zeppelin of his moveset--an incredibly high quality dash attack that serves as an inspiration for dash attacks everywhere), or side B (the Beatles of his moveset--incredibly diverse, and practically defines an entire generation of Ganon).

^Lol, awesome descriptions.

Dash attack: "Yes there are 2 paths you can go now but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"

Lots of chars can CG ganon. ICs, falco, DDD, pikachu, wario, marth, pit, lucario, yoshi, ZSS, even Snake. The only advice I can give is to learn how to mash properly. Not getting grabbed helps too.

I C. (where's an xat (puke) face when you need one?)

 

[DLA]

Lol. Not to mention Ganon basically becomes a zeppelin made out of lead during his dash attack.

I am quite proud of this metaphor.

 

[Bloodynite]

a zeppelin made of lead....?

That seems rather inefficient and useless to even be zeppelin considering they're suppose to fly....

 

[DLA]

They're not supposed to fly, they're supposed to crash. That's why it's a cool name.

This is their first album cover:

(it's a crashing zeppelin. or a giant phallus, depending on how you look at it lol)

 

[Rizen]

lol
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In the video with this article http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/07/masahiro-sakurai-talks-super-smash-bros-4 bare the annoying announcer girl and you can see a WIP demo that has Link, Zelda and Ganon on part of the temple stage made to look like SS. Watch how they fight; they're all much faster with other augmentations like Link's arrows go farther and with less lag and Ganon's Usmash is closer to Melee's. They keep their Brawl (TP based) looks and feel at this point still despite being on a SS level. The Triforce characters were specifically selected for the demo; hopefully they'll be good next time

 

[Supreme Dirt]

That's because IGN is a sellout and that's Project M.

 

[Rizen]

I can't tell if you're joking about the 2nd part.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I like DLA's descriptions ^_^

Does this make nair the Velvet Underground of Ganon's moveset? A godlike thing that nobody actually knows about?

 

[DLA]

Lol, that works. I was going to go with Nair being the Kansas of our moveset, because it has exactly two hits.

And yes Rizen that is P:M. I noticed it too when I watched it a few days ago. I wonder what the legal implications are for showing hacked footage like that.

 

[Rizen]

Those *******s! Burn them! -wait that's outdated... Sue them, sue them!
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Maybe that's why I main Link and like R.E.M.- no mater how innovative and awesome they are they're usually depressing.

 

[Heartstring]

If you think this isn't technically demanding, then you clearly either haven't tried it, or have no idea what I'm talking about.

Go into training mode and pop out 10 straight SHFF bairs in rapid succession, then come back and say it's not technically demanding.

It's not particularly difficult untill you start trying to move forward/backwards while doing it...at least for me

Uair is the the AC/DC of Ganon's moveset. It's always an incredibly solid choice, but it doesn't do anything spectacular.

I think Ganon's best move is either Dash Attack (the Led Zeppelin of his moveset--an incredibly high quality dash attack that serves as an inspiration for dash attacks everywhere), or side B (the Beatles of his moveset--incredibly diverse, and practically defines an entire generation of Ganon).

Does this make nair the Velvet Underground of Ganon's moveset? A godlike thing that nobody actually knows about?

I love these. D-air is the guns and roses of his moveset: Seen better days but Is still beautiful poetry in motion when executed right
I would probably agree on Uair DA and Side-B being his top 3 moves. But I love me some Dair and Usmash, Although the latter is purely for hardcore mindgames which seem to be exclusive to me and my freedom
Although U-air, Are you trying to tell me that tipman U-air>Footstool edgeguard isn't the most ice cool thing on the planet? more swag than even mink can handle

Also monsiour Gheb, Will you be at bushido? It would be awesome to discuss ganon things

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I love these. D-air is the guns and roses of his moveset: Seen better days but Is still beautiful poetry in motion when executed right

-dead-

Also monsiour Gheb, Will you be at bushido? It would be awesome to discuss ganon things

Nope, you should opt for the next big german tourney [mid October]

 

[Heartstring]

-dead-



Nope, you should opt for the next big german tourney [mid October]

I opted for bushido because it was the only one I could afford
Im going to be in university as of september, No moneys...ever

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I can't tell if you're joking about the 2nd part.

I'm not joking. IGN uses Project M in all their Brawl-related things instead of Brawl.

 

[Rizen]

Yeah, it made sense as soon as you said that but I hadn't though of it before .

 

[Claire Diviner]

I'm not joking. IGN uses Project M in all their Brawl-related things instead of Brawl.

Which once again solidifies the term "IGNorant".

 

[Heartstring]

And to think that i worked for these goons. Not good for me

 

[Z1GMA]

Anyone here buying PS Allstar Battle Royale?

 

[DLA]

Probably not, it looks kinda dumb.

 

[Rizen]

Anyone here buying PS Allstar Battle Royale?

Warning if you like PSAllstars do not read this:

Spoiler

Sony is making a huge mistake. Allstars is an obvious attempt to leech off SSBs success, which happens a lot from rivaling companies to be fair. Nintendo is 3 'allstar battle' generations ahead of Sony and has SSB4 coming late 2013.
Allstars has about the starting cast # that the N64 SSBs did. The system (fight to build your turbo gauge, 1 to 3 levels then score points with super moves) is extremely gimmicky; it's like having to play with smashballs and only KOing with final smashes. The turbo attacks look very different and unbalanced too, like final smashes. The whole game appears to have terrible character balance and no realistic competitive potential.
The SSBs series has already struggled with these problems and hopefully is ironing the creases out in SSB4 but Melee and Brawl still look like they have better competitive potential and design all around. Maybe SSB 64 too.
Allstars looks like a fun party game and nothing more. As players develop the metagame they'll realize more and more how flawed the premise is and how Allstars doesn't have a competitive metagame. 1 or 2 characters will probably dominate 1vs1s (Sly Cooper) and the others will sort of fall into loose tiers in FFAs.

I like Sony; they're being really stupid with this though :/ .

 

[Claire Diviner]

Warning if you like PSAllstars do not read this:

Spoiler

Sony is making a huge mistake. Allstars is an obvious attempt to leech off SSBs success, which happens a lot from rivaling companies to be fair. Nintendo is 3 'allstar battle' generations ahead of Sony and has SSB4 coming late 2013.
Allstars has about the starting cast # that the N64 SSBs did. The system (fight to build your turbo gauge, 1 to 3 levels then score points with super moves) is extremely gimmicky; it's like having to play with smashballs and only KOing with final smashes. The turbo attacks look very different and unbalanced too, like final smashes. The whole game appears to have terrible character balance and no realistic competitive potential.
The SSBs series has already struggled with these problems and hopefully is ironing the creases out in SSB4 but Melee and Brawl still look like they have better competitive potential and design all around. Maybe SSB 64 too.
Allstars looks like a fun party game and nothing more. As players develop the metagame they'll realize more and more how flawed the premise is and how Allstars doesn't have a competitive metagame. 1 or 2 characters will probably dominate 1vs1s (Sly Cooper) and the others will sort of fall into loose tiers in FFAs.

I like Sony; they're being really stupid with this though :/ .

Whether one likes the game or not is irrelevant, seeing as what you posted is pretty much true. I'm sure it'll be a good game as far as fun factor goes, but from what I've seen and currently see, I don't think it will have much in the way of a competitive community. Dissidia Final Fantasy looks far more competitive than this game (not that Dissidia is shallow in being competitive, mind you).

 

[Heartstring]

character with the best supers win
I dont own a ps3 anyway, so good to know that nothing of value was lost

Anyway, Big news for me:
Alestorm (a.k.a: the people who wrote 'mead and wenches') are touring in a few months, one of their concerts are happening merely 20 minutes from my house
How jelly are you guys?

 

[Claire Diviner]

I wish some big and famous band toured in my town, but seeing as I live in Springfield, MA, I'm guessing they don't want to risk getting mugged or shot somewhere.

Maybe that's why we rarely get a WWE event here as well.

 

[Heartstring]

I wish some big and famous band toured in my town, but seeing as I live in Springfield, MA, I'm guessing they don't want to risk getting mugged or shot somewhere.

Maybe that's why we rarely get a WWE event here as well.

oh thanks for the reminder, I need to catch up on what happened at summerslam

 

[Claire Diviner]

oh thanks for the reminder, I need to catch up on what happened at summerslam

Ahahahaha! Me too! I was supposed to watch it last night, but my friend requested the wrong Sunday off, preventing us from watching it, that loser. >_____<

 

[Z1GMA]

Warning if you like PSAllstars do not read this:

Spoiler

Sony is making a huge mistake. Allstars is an obvious attempt to leech off SSBs success, which happens a lot from rivaling companies to be fair. Nintendo is 3 'allstar battle' generations ahead of Sony and has SSB4 coming late 2013.
Allstars has about the starting cast # that the N64 SSBs did. The system (fight to build your turbo gauge, 1 to 3 levels then score points with super moves) is extremely gimmicky; it's like having to play with smashballs and only KOing with final smashes. The turbo attacks look very different and unbalanced too, like final smashes. The whole game appears to have terrible character balance and no realistic competitive potential.
The SSBs series has already struggled with these problems and hopefully is ironing the creases out in SSB4 but Melee and Brawl still look like they have better competitive potential and design all around. Maybe SSB 64 too.
Allstars looks like a fun party game and nothing more. As players develop the metagame they'll realize more and more how flawed the premise is and how Allstars doesn't have a competitive metagame. 1 or 2 characters will probably dominate 1vs1s (Sly Cooper) and the others will sort of fall into loose tiers in FFAs.

I like Sony; they're being really stupid with this though :/ .

Sounds like the 4P Mode in Kung Fu Panda, lmao.

 

[Bloodynite]

Allstars looks so freaking stale and slow.....

 

[Heartstring]

Ahahahaha! Me too! I was supposed to watch it last night, but my friend requested the wrong Sunday off, preventing us from watching it, that loser. >_____<

Yeah, Sadly some Arsehole decided to flat out tell me who won out of brock lesnar and HHH which i could have killed him for
UK doesnt get PPV stuff though, So i have to find it online to watch it >.<

 

[Claire Diviner]

Yeah, Sadly some Arsehole decided to flat out tell me who won out of brock lesnar and HHH which i could have killed him for
UK doesnt get PPV stuff though, So i have to find it online to watch it >.<

That really sucks. I would've strangled the guy myself. I want to see the match for myself as well.

 

[Heartstring]

Yeah I nearly did, I was only held back by the fact that it was my brother :B

However, I cannot find anywhere to watch it. Is the UK really no allowed to see these things go down -__-

 

[Claire Diviner]

Yeah I nearly did, I was only held back by the fact that it was my brother :B

However, I cannot find anywhere to watch it. Is the UK really no allowed to see these things go down -__-

I was pretty sure there's some kind of Pay-Per-View program in the UK where one could watch WWE events. Maybe it's your cable provider? I dunno.

 

[Rizen]

People often post things online; you might be able to search and find it. I watched 'The Avengers' live movie on youtube recently, lol.

 

[Vermanubis]

I can tell you guys first-hand that PSA is awful.

 

[Bloodynite]

you tried it verm?