Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[Mr. game and watch]

My ganons better than my jiggly.

 

[Bloodynite]

Pre-testing results of Flame Choke lock:
+Can be followed up with Wizfoot(Which on certain stages can be ledge canceled and lead to a potential spike) ,F-smash(pivoted or salmon), D-smash(some stages), running grab(certain characters), or another flamechoke.
+(depending on the stage) Can do 2 flame choke locks and then any follow up mentioned

-Can only work on stages with slants/hills including CS(1st and 2nd are fine but 3rd form only when its tilting), Brinstar, RC(can work on the curve of the ship), Delfino(platforms, beach hills, Shine sprite tower, house roof), Lylat(when the stage tilts), YI(platform must be tilting), Frigate(form 2).
-Oppenent must be 6% or lower in order to work otherwise the jab knockback will be too much (On some stages that limit can rise to 12~14%)
-Does not work under any circumstance on Mario, Luigi, Samus, or Ganon(figures)

A Flame choke lock is done by using a flame choke on a slanted surface such as the one on CS. The explosion will send your opponent down to the ground as usual but they will actually bounce a bit and slide closer towards you where you can then immediately jab them causing them to slide and forcing a get up and thus follow up with almost anything.

In short ^ =Flame choke on a slant with them having less than or equal to 6% and then jab. Then follow up

Just wanted to post this so that you guys could experiment with it and see if anyone can find anything i missed or possibly improve

 

[Xubble]

^ This is interesting. I like starting matches with Flame Choke, so some extra damage before my usual set up is nice. :D

 

[DLA]

That's pretty interesting, I think Z1GMA made us vaguely aware of this, but everyone was too lazy to do research hehe. Nice job

 

[Makke]

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[Bloodynite]

^
well then I demand further research on this ASAP

 

[Heartstring]

nice one bloody, ive come across this before in lylat vs. yoshi, but i was too busy like 'wat, ganon can force getup?' to actualyl punish XD
imagine if ganon had a weak initial jab so that he could always force standup from flame choke. would actualyl be not bottom i reckon XD

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I actually got 2 consecutive forced getups out of flame choke on bowser on brinstar.
I didn't know if it was just a glitch though.

Good find.

 

[Bloodynite]

nice one bloody, ive come across this before in lylat vs. yoshi, but i was too busy like 'wat, ganon can force getup?' to actualyl punish XD
imagine if ganon had a weak initial jab so that he could always force standup from flame choke. would actualyl be not bottom i reckon XD

i actually have no idea if ganons jab being stale would cause any difference but it might since the staler a move gets the more the knockback drops so thats something to consider

I actually got 2 consecutive forced getups out of flame choke on bowser on brinstar.
I didn't know if it was just a glitch though.

Good find.

Yea brinstar is one of those places were you can get consecutive force getups but i didn't think it worked on bowser there.... i got it to work with Link, ROB, and oli

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I got it to work 2x.
Then followed up with a Fsmash.

My mind was blown.

Also, i seperated the bubbles with my 4 second long murderquake, and then dragged snake to hell in the air through the middle of the stage from above the top platform, hit the lave, survived.
IT was the greatest feeling in the whole world.

Man, the anger in his eyes.

 

[Heartstring]

i actually have no idea if ganons jab being stale would cause any difference but it might since the staler a move gets the more the knockback drops so thats something to consider

staling affects the knockback and damage of a move. a fully stale move (the 10 most recent hits were all this move) has 55% of its knockback and power at full freshness. so even when fulyl stale it would only (theoretically) force getup at about 15%. not really viable

 

[Bloodynite]

staling affects the knockback and damage of a move. a fully stale move (the 10 most recent hits were all this move) has 55% of its knockback and power at full freshness. so even when fulyl stale it would only (theoretically) force getup at about 15%. not really viable

true but if you could do it AGAIN on another slant and continue the process then it could be worth it in the long run

 

[Bloodynite]

I got it to work 2x.
Then followed up with a Fsmash.

My mind was blown.

Also, i seperated the bubbles with my 4 second long murderquake, and then dragged snake to hell in the air through the middle of the stage from above the top platform, hit the lave, survived.
IT was the greatest feeling in the whole world.

Man, the anger in his eyes.

well if you can do it 2x on big characters then you pretty much guarantee a F-smash adding 23%+ to them but when i did against oli i could only follow up with a D-tilt considering he was below me on a slant

and the bubbles on brinstar are amazing with wizfoot <3

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I also like utilt on the bubbles.
If it was a forced get up on oli, wouldn't it have been more productive to re-flamechoke and then follow up with a DA? Or is Dtilt better in that scenario?

Dsmash only hits when they're on the same level right?

 

[Bloodynite]

I also like utilt on the bubbles.
If it was a forced get up on oli, wouldn't it have been more productive to re-flamechoke and then follow up with a DA? Or is Dtilt better in that scenario?

Dsmash only hits when they're on the same level right?

sorry i didn't specifiy before. I did do 2x getup flame chokes and THEN did another flame choke but the 3rd one made him land on a slant going down instead of up thus i could only do a d-tilt.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Ah okay i understand.

 

[Makke]

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[Heartstring]

indeed we need it
any ganons got good recording equipment?

 

[Noobicidal]

I'm poor, sorry.

 

[Bloodynite]

only thing i got is sony vegas but nothing for recording stuff only editing =X

 

[Heartstring]

so if someone has a good capture card. could they gather all said files. cut it down to only the bits that are needed and then send them onto you?

if we can. ill have to look into getting a capture card

 

[Bloodynite]

well im not the best when it comes to editing but i guess i can try?

I'll just need to make lots of drafts get feedback and then improve them before making a final video

 

[Makke]

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[Makke]

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[Heartstring]

i have no idea. i could get a capture card but i wouldnt know how to work it XD

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Me and my brother make a bunch of videos, an he always edits them.
But not gaming videos.
More like random skits.


I have a microphone and a deep voice though.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Do anyone have good tools enough to create a community video?

I have a microphone and a deep voice though.

Problem solved.

 

[Heartstring]

haha, i have commentary on matches and **** all on top of that XD
i have a microphone and a london mafioso accent. ****ing hell who wins?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

i have a microphone and a london mafioso accent.

Joint commentary.

****ing hell who wins?

everybody.

 

[DLA]

I'm studying film editing in college... however I'm currently working on my own Ganon combo video so I'd have to finish that first.

Plus, no offense to anyone, but we don't have a good enough Ganon lineup to make a community video that was better than the previous one, content-wise.

 

[Bloodynite]

^ agreed i actually have NO good videos of me playing as of late

maybe we should wait until after Apex?

 

[Bloodynite]

Oh an i expect no less than a full page explanation and detail on the flame choke lock by the end of this month


OTHERWISE HEADS WILL ROLL

 

[DLA]

Honestly it doesn't seem very useful... if they're at 0%, I'd rather Dtilt out of flame choke and follow up the Dtilt with another Dtilt or another flame choke (if they air dodge into the ground), or a Uair (if they jump after the first Dtilt). Much more practical.

 

[Xubble]

But wouldn't this lock chain into that? Choke > Jab > Choke > Dtilt > Dtilt/Choke/Uair.

 

[Sovereign]

I'm studying film editing in college... however I'm currently working on my own Ganon combo video so I'd have to finish that first.

Plus, no offense to anyone, but we don't have a good enough Ganon lineup to make a community video that was better than the previous one, content-wise.

Should I come back, and try to make an effort in getting quality for a new Ganon Combo Video?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I always just choke>roll back>wizkick



edit: I can try and get some cool footage.
Me and my brother can stage stuff and save a replay.

 

[DLA]

Should I come back, and try to make an effort in getting quality for a new Ganon Combo Video?

We'd need a lot of Ganons to come back if we want to reach the caliber of the last video... but yes you should come back regardless hehe.

But wouldn't this lock chain into that? Choke > Jab > Choke > Dtilt > Dtilt/Choke/Uair.

The second Dtilt would likely do too much knockback to follow it up reliably, since the opponent already has some damage and Dtilt isn't staled. I mean it wouldn't be an awful option, but I wouldn't risk it because you might just hit them with the strong jab hitbox instead, and do like 16% to them instead of potentially 40+%.

I always just choke>roll back>wizkick



edit: I can try and get some cool footage.
Me and my brother can stage stuff and save a replay.

that's an awful thing to do out of flame choke. you have several guaranteed followups on 3/4 of the cast, and potential for tech chases on the other 1/4.

Also never put staged clips in a combo video. What's the point?

 

[Sovereign]

I've been really thinkin' about doing singles with Ganon, since I honestly don't care as much about singles, anymore. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to get my Ganon back to his former glory of stomping some ***.

EDIT: 2000th post made in the Ganon Boards! **** yeah!

 

[Koskinator]

hi guys ☼☼

 

[Sovereign]

Oh My God! It's the legend himself, Kosk! How have you been?