Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[Z1GMA]

Edit......

I managed to catch Tonsana's post before he edited it.

It said "I love and I collect Unicorns".

 

[Tonsana]

Z1gma as Easter Dorf!

 

[Z1GMA]

↑ lulz, Makke is too funny.

 

[Heartstring]

lol, amazing

also we had a low tier tournament aqt my event yesterday (for those of you who checked out the livestream, the guy who i was relying on flaked, so meh. i ordered my own stuff so it should be up over the copurse of this fest so yeah...
anyway, at low tier i only had ganon (damn ike for being mid tier) and so i got a mario, whom i lost to (had ally DI, i actualy lived till 260% once) and went to losers, i beat a lucas 2-1 and a falcon 2-0, then lost to another falcon 0-2. so yeah, came 4th overall so it was good fun

 

[Tonsana]

Well done placing 4th.

 

[TP]

At a 25 person local yesterday, I went Ganon in winners, lost in round 1, then tore through losers with MK and got 4th.

Yay?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

^^^I loled pretty hard

 

[Vermanubis]

Just saying, next person to put a MLP picture as their avatar gets a 666 hour ban.

 

[Heartstring]

sort of yay, you went ganon at some point

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Verm.
Juss Saiyan.

You'd be the biggest man in the world with a pony av.

 

[Heartstring]

i love my galvantula too much, no pony can ever oputclass him
really, a tarantula...which has 100% accurate thunder, its too good

 

[Phiddlesticks]

its only 91% accurate

but dont get me wrong its still pretty awesome

 

[Heartstring]

oh of course, cimpund eyes works differently now
yeah its still seriously amazing, despite its mediocre speed and special attack XD

 

[Phiddlesticks]

compoundeyes has definitely always been like that

i remember missing with butterfree sleep powders in leaf green back in the day

 

[Heartstring]

oh...ive been misinformed by some mug then lol
still, its better than stone edge XD

 

[A2ZOMG]

Compoundeyes MULTIPLIES the base accuracy value by 130%. That's what they mean by 30% increase. Your attack needs to have at least 77 base accuracy in order to be 100% accurate as a result of Compoundeyes (unless I'm mistaken, a 70% accurate move boosted by Wide Lens AND Compoundeyes should be 100% accurate).

Personally I wish that Gravity was better distributed, because Gravity makes everything less gimmicky. Decreases evasion by TWO STAGES. Which essentially means anything with 60% accuracy or higher becomes 100% accurate.

Unnerve Galvantula under the rain anyhow is the best "counter" to Manaphy ever. Unnerve stops Manaphy from getting away with berry shenanigans that might stop the KO and Thunder iirc gets the 1HKO.

 

[Phiddlesticks]

you arent mistaken

also gravity was given to a bunch of pokemons from a hg/ss move tutor

 

[Heartstring]

oh, cool story bro.
i would always run compoundeyes just because its good, yeah rain is really common, to use him without, but i did try to run unnerve denchura, it just wasnt happening.
i made a challenge of the generation by using only the pokemon from my ingame team, its actually fairly tanky

 

[Supreme Dirt]

@ Mink Nope.

Ganon/Jiggz/Dedede

I play Dedede for Metaknight. I also have a pocket Game and Watch and Lucario.


Also, I love running a Gravity team. I ran it last gen. Sweeping with Rock Polish Regice was so much fun. Rock Polish/Blizzard/Thunder/Focus Blast.

 

[DLA]

your mom knows Rock Polish.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Playing against Pit, Samus, and Mario all the time, the first two being extremely campy players, is just flat out wearing me down. Like, to the point where I'm considering quitting Brawl after CoT5. Any suggestions?

 

[Bloodynite]

Fox or Wolf maybe?

 

[Heartstring]

falco, camp hard, win

 

[Supreme Dirt]

But I hate playing as Falco. Also I've tried Fox, I get approached, CG'd, and *****.

 

[Bloodynite]

well then that leaves wolf

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I like to be able to snap the ledge from my Up-B.

 

[Bloodynite]

Side B better son

 

[Krystedez]

Supreme Dirt, Mario's a decent competetitor against the other two if you want to use him. The ditto isn't that bad, if you're just a better player (which most Ganon mains usually have that part down but are weighed down by matchup differences)

I think if you second mario you'll find Pit easier to deal with. But truly, the easiest and FASTEST character to figure out quick enough for any of those matcheups is Sonic... (cwutididthar) And he isn't hard countered by anyone I don't think. It's dead even for Pit.

 

[Vermanubis]

Long time no see, Krys.

 

[Krystedez]

Herro Verm ^^ Same to ya. How the hell you been?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Actually, I'm working on my Dedede and Jigglerpuff.

My region is basically devoid of the first, and there's only one other Jiggly. Waddle Dees mess with the arrows.

I'm a bit tired of him repeatedly telling me that I should be saving my BAir as Dedede for killing. He goes on about me not having a top player mentality, heaven forbid I use one of the best spacing moves in the game for spacing.

 

[Krystedez]

Who's "him", the pit? lol.

Dedede's bair is a great spacing tool. Don't listen to him. Just make sure you get that u-tilt in. I think it's the best kill move against characters like those you listed.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yeah, fUddO, actually.

He tends to think he knows how pros play, simply because I've gotten frame data wrong quite a few times in the past, so he obviously know my character better than me.

Considering he plays Pit, and then occasionally DK and MK... And only used to play Link. That's basically it.

 

[Heartstring]

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srsly the game is meant to be fun, use whoever you enjoy

 

[Exalted]

I was so close to tears just now for reasons I'm not going to disclose.
...bawwwwww.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Supreme Dirt, Mario's a decent competetitor against the other two if you want to use him. The ditto isn't that bad, if you're just a better player (which most Ganon mains usually have that part down but are weighed down by matchup differences)

I think if you second mario you'll find Pit easier to deal with. But truly, the easiest and FASTEST character to figure out quick enough for any of those matcheups is Sonic... (cwutididthar) And he isn't hard countered by anyone I don't think. It's dead even for Pit.

Mario dittos suck. The campier player wins them. Though you have the rest correct.

Playing against Pit, Samus, and Mario all the time, the first two being extremely campy players, is just flat out wearing me down. Like, to the point where I'm considering quitting Brawl after CoT5. Any suggestions?

Honestly I don't mind Ganon vs Pit at all. Pit is not hard to get in on once your in Dash Attack/D-tilt range, where his options are extremely weak. Options out of Choke on him are really good as well, and he's not too hard to juggle. You want him to be afraid of your D-tilt and DA when you get close, and then make a really good guess as to how he will crack under that pressure. I feel like I should upload these old matches of me against a noob Pit where I basically downloaded his playstyle and figured out his panic buttons. I would run at him, wait for him to roll backwards ALL THE TIME, and then Dash Attack. Very hilarious.

Interestingly enough...I don't find Samus that awful of a matchup. But I'm an extremely patient player myself. Your playstyle may just differ immensely from mine. Although I will say she's harder than Pit by a good margin.

Playing against Mario...depends on how well they know the matchup, and to a lesser extent how well you can read his landing habits. If they aren't completely aware that fullhop fireballs are super lame for Ganon to deal with, they stand a decent chance of losing once you land a Flame Choke. Once they realize that you can do very little to stop fullhop B-air and Fireball spacing, it gets very ugly.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I can read the Mario's habits VERY well. It's just he can read me just as well, and is a better character.

Samus isn't so much hard as annoying. If I miss the spike, he edgeguards me with tether, if I hit with something else, I either get edgeguarded, or now he's on the other ledge and I have to go knock him off again.

Also the Pit just rolls behind me and grabs. Every ****ing time I DTilt or iDA. Then it's a free CG to probable edgeguard at low %, or UThrow to how-the-hell-do-I-get-down. I can wizkick, but I get grabbed. I can try to go to the ledge, but now I'm on the opposite side of the stage.

I also really need to get the springs removed from my GCC. My timing for PSing is still off from having used CCPro so long.

 

[A2ZOMG]

If I'm reading that correctly, I'm not sure how you're letting Pit get away with forward roll all the time, even if his forward roll is stupid. If you DA as he forward rolls, it's usually safe. You can thunderstorm outside his F-tilt range for almost no risk if you're afraid he's going to forward roll as well. And I'm not sure how you're getting D-tilt punished by that.

And then as stupid as it sounds, Ganon's back roll is underused as an approach tool. If you space it well, it's a situational but effective crossover option. Especially worth keeping in mind when you realize that Ganon's dash and his forward roll are much worse at crossing over.

 

[smashkng]

I've played a few Sheiks, and I actually find this MU easier than vs a lot of characters. In fact, without the Ftilt lock I can go as easy as a -2. Our worst weakness in this MU is our inability to punish anything she does on our shield, but she has no disjoints and we outrange her, so we can outspace her and stop her approaches pretty decently. She can gimp us, but so we can on her and that's almost the only way she can kill us.

 

[Heartstring]

I was so close to tears just now for reasons I'm not going to disclose.
...bawwwwww.

well, you say youre not going to disclose it, but are you okay from whatever it may be?