Ganondorf Board's Question & Answer Thread.

[DLA]

4 buffer frames? Nah he gets the full 10. Dtilt is by far his easiest Gerudo followup to buffer (excluding jab).

You're probably missing Dtilt because either

A. you're trying to do it on a character that it isn't guaranteed on, or
B. you're crouching before the Dtilt comes out because you're holding your control stick all the way down.

If you crouch before you Dtilt, it wastes a few frames and makes your Dtilt come out too late to hit. To fix this, only tilt the control stick 1/3-1/2 of the way down after you Flame Choke. Then just mash A, no delicate timing required. If you do it right, the Dtilt should come out without you crouching at all.

You should try to make all of your Dtilts like this, ideally. You can practice the positioning for the control stick by just doing standing Dtilts... you gotta tilt your control stick far enough down for you to Dtilt instead of Jab, but not far enough for you to crouch. Once you do it a few times then you'll never miss the buffer again--I honestly don't think I've missed it once since I learned it in '08, and I've probably played a good 25,000 matches since then (wow that's a depressing thought).

 

[Exalted]

When I buffer my Dtilts I simply slap the control stick down and press A.

 

[HotWings]

Hey, im trying to figure out the counterpick for all characters so im going to all the Q&A threads of all the characters and posting this. I would like for you to give me your characters worst MU and worst stage so it saves me a lot of time researching it myself and testing stuff.

I would really appreciate it if you all helped me out.

Hope to get some answers pretty soon.

 

[Abel1994]

Is it true that ganon is really d tier but we make him G for the lulz of it?

 

[Exalted]

No, the D tier characters are actually G tier but we made them D tier for the lulz.
Ganon shall remain untouched.

 

[Riot]

Sorry if these questions were asked buuuuut....

I was playing brawl with my friend today and had an idea to ganoncide the snake recovery. Is a smart or stupid idea if i have more stocks than him? (Assuming it works)

Does a Ganon player need to master all of his techs to do well?

 

[Vermanubis]

Sorry if these questions were asked buuuuut....

I was playing brawl with my friend today and had an idea to ganoncide the snake recovery. Is a smart or stupid idea if i have more stocks than him? (Assuming it works)

That really depends. If you both have the same amount of stocks, but you have a strong percent lead, it would be a rather bad idea to Ganoncide him, because that would be giving your lead up for no reason. If they have more stocks than you, Ganonciding is a really bad idea. Of course, there's an exception to this as well. If you're one hit away from dying, and they have a fresh stock, it won't put you in the lead, put it'll make the gap between you two much smaller. If they have fewer stocks than you, it depends on percents. If they're really low after being freshly killed, and you're about to lose your stock, then it's by all means a good idea, because it puts a full stock difference between you two. So it's really all about strategy.

However, more generally, it is a better idea to Ganoncide when you have more stocks, because it will give you a MASSIVE lead. It's very context sensitive though whether or not doing it when behind is a good or bad idea though.

Does a Ganon player need to master all of his techs to do well?

You better believe it. Ganondorf is so disgustingly disadvantaged that he needs everything he's given.

 

[stantheyeti]

who is the best ganon player?

 

[Z1GMA]

who is the best ganon player?

Offline: Verm or DLA, by results.

Online: Kalm

 

[DLA]

Sorry if these questions were asked buuuuut....

I was playing brawl with my friend today and had an idea to ganoncide the snake recovery. Is a smart or stupid idea if i have more stocks than him? (Assuming it works)

Does a Ganon player need to master all of his techs to do well?

YES ganoncide snakes recovery. The cipher hits you out of the flame choke and you grab release snake. He dies and you're free to recover.

Did you guys really not know about this?

 

[Exalted]

Doesn't it require a certain timing and/or precision to Ganoncide Snake's Cipher? I remember reading something like that almost a year ago.

 

[DLA]

Doesn't it require a certain timing and/or precision to Ganoncide Snake's Cipher? I remember reading something like that almost a year ago.

You need to aim for the top of snake's body/the bottom of the cipher. It really doesn't require a lot of precision.... the only time I'll mess up is when I didn't have the spacing for the Ganoncide in the first place.

And if you aim too low, then whatever... it's still a Ganoncide.

 

[Exalted]

I figured as much. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

What are some of the most important ATs I need to learn before I can murder things efficiently?

 

[Noobicidal]

Thunderstorming, all Gerudo followups, grab release shenanigans, standing d/ftilt, learn about RCO lag and how it affects Ganon, Tipman (along with bouncing combos), Chestplate combos, Banana/tire tricks, Utilt's magnet pull and wind spike, Flipman, and FoG.

I'm sure I'm missing a few, but that's plenty enough to get you started.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

I got down thunderstorming, the Gerudo follow ups will come to me slowly. I guess I can learn the GR stuff right now. I know how to do standing tilts, and about RCO lag since Mario has it too.

What's tipman?

Also, holycrap its Kyubey.

 

[Noobicidal]

I got down thunderstorming, the Gerudo follow ups will come to me slowly. I guess I can learn the GR stuff right now. I know how to do standing tilts, and about RCO lag since Mario has it too.

Good to hear.

What's tipman?

"Tipman" refers to the weak hit of Uair. It's primarily used as a gimping tool, but it also has other uses, including the bouncing combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwj8O3i8EdA

Also, holycrap its Kyubey.

Yes it is.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Oh so its basically like Pit's Wingstool, or a jab lock. It seems simple enough to figure out
As for lagless dair, I can do it easily with the A + Down method, but the problem is that I lack control when I do it that way. I'm more comfortable with the C-stick method, but most of the time Ganon just SHs and that's that.

 

[Noobicidal]

If you're using the tap jump off method, try rolling the cstick from Down to the direction you're wanting to move to as soon as you hit the A button.

I prefer using Tap Jump for Thunderstorming, but that's just a personal thing. Most Ganons here have Tap Jump off.

 

[Wilmenz]

Or try sliding your thumb from Y to A While holding down and the direction you want to move to

 

[DLA]

Easiest way to thunderstorm IMO is to slide your thumb from X to A, and roll the control stick a quarter circle in the direction you want to go. I actually made a video about it in like '08, and I haven't changed since.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Beh, I guess I'll have to get used to doing it that way then. I prefer the C-stick because I use it to do all my aerials, but I just can't time it right using the C-stick.

 

[Noobicidal]

Control stick up, c-stick down, in that order, as fast as you can. If you succeed, you will, well, succeed, and if you don't, you'll perform a D-smash.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

My tap-jump is off, but when I do it I think I end up flicking the C-stick down too fast and I just make Ganon short hop. It's like I can't buffer it after the jump or anything :/

 

[Vermanubis]

Sliding from X to A is the most comfortable method. Noob's method works, too, but I personally find myself completely unable to maneuver. I have tap jump on, but I use X > A for Thunderstorming.

Of course, Noob is in an entirely different class of human, so what he can do and what we normies can do is a broad gap. <3

 

[Noobicidal]

Sliding from X to A is the most comfortable method. Noob's method works, too, but I personally find myself completely unable to maneuver. I have tap jump on, but I use X > A for Thunderstorming.

Honestly, I have the same problem with the "tried and true" sliding method. For some reason, I'll only move half of the max distance, but I'm not going to bother learning it properly.

In the end, as long as you can Thunderstorm, the result is much more important than the execution method.

Of course, Noob is in an entirely different class of human, so what he can do and what we normies can do is a broad gap. <3

You don't have to flatter me

Spoiler

, but I won't tell you to stop

.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

K well, I tried out X -> A and its turns out to be much easier than Y > A but I still have the same problem. Sometimes I waste time by crouching, sometimes I dtilt and sometimes I fair or bair. I'll have to work on that.

Also, which color Ganon provides MAXIMUM RAPAGE?!

 

[DLA]

Red... like the color of your victim's sanguinary expulsions.

 

[Vermanubis]

Standard. Like the color of normality they will never see again.

 

[Jane]

i prefer blue, like the color of their faces when they get flame choke'd

or brown, like how theyre gonna get **** on by ganon

or bling/white, because ganon is just a boss and sometimes needs to dress with the boss threads.

 

[Noobicidal]

K well, I tried out X -> A and its turns out to be much easier than Y > A but I still have the same problem. Sometimes I waste time by crouching, sometimes I dtilt and sometimes I fair or bair. I'll have to work on that.

It sounds like you're having order issues for the input needed. It's down, X/Y, A, then whatever direction you want to stomp towards.

It's just a practice thing.

Also, which color Ganon provides MAXIMUM RAPAGE?!

Personally, I've been using Old Manondorf for years because he's amazing.

Spoiler

inb4 Ganjadorf.

 

[Abel1994]

Any good killing move with ganon?

 

[Noobicidal]

Any good killing move with ganon?

Any of his moves, aside from grabs, Jab, Gerudo (technically), down smash, and up B are kill moves.

 

[TP]

I've killed with all of those, including Gerudo. I grabbed a Bowser with it right as Frigate Orpheon was ready to flip. I released him at the exact same time as the flip, so he fell under the stage and died.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Whats the easiest to land? Dash?

 

[Tonsana]

Warlock punch

 

[Makke]

.................

 

[Dre89]

Another easy way to thunderstorm is to set R to jump and press R and c stick down, and the direction you want to move in.

Setting R to jump also makes Aerudoing from the ground, and usmash OOS with tap jump off easier.

Thunderstorming with that method is pretty easy to do, especially because it's easy to short hop with Ganon.

Also wanted to know if dair-jab/pivot jab, is a good mixup, because I've been using the former quite a bit.

 

[DLA]

Also wanted to know if dair-jab/pivot jab, is a good mixup, because I've been using the former quite a bit.

It's a great mixup actually. Hell it doesn't even have to be a mixup... if you space by doing an approaching stomp when you're not in range of your opponent, you can often react to THEIR reaction to your stomp by buffering a jab. It will usually hit them if they try to punish you for whiffing the stomp.

Also it's great to cover yourself if you try to tech read a getup after gerudo with a stomp. That may sound a bit confusing so here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDoIEp5f6E&t=1m20s

Basically, whenever you think your opponent is going to try to punish your whiffed stomp (which should be hard for them because it's a short hopped aerial--it's fast), then jab is your best move to avoid being punished because it's your fastest move.

 

[someonerandom]

Is thunderstorming very important to learn to be a good Ganon? Also, is it necessary to learn to super Ganon jump with airdodge?