Ftilt Complete Combo List with Decay

[rathy Aro]

piece of peace, tristan's data, and what i have are all the same except for one thing, which is the advantage when V>51.84. PoP and tristan say -4, but you can look at the equation (14-(Cooldown+1)) and it comes out to -3 or (14-(16+1)).

Guess it doesn't really matter either way.

 

[Zankoku]

Well, it could, but not in any tangible form.

 

[Tristan_win]

You know with all the ftilt data on a few characters I'm beginning to wonder if it's possible to do a tilt lock into killing % usmash starting from the mid %s.

I know this is fairly possible against fox but perhaps this could be done on others as well especially fast fallers. Obviously the di of the opponent is going to effect this greatly but it's just a thought...

Oh and to the person who giving me the new data thank you, would you like me to refer to you by name in the original post?

I don't know if you want to be kept out of the public light or not.

 

[goodkid]

This is confusing, what is frame advantage again?

 

[Zankoku]

The frames that you can act but the opponent cannot. Basically, the hitstun of the opponent minus the cooldown of the attack you hit him with.

 

[Tristan_win]

So I've been thinking about changing the format that I show the numbers into something more...friendly.

Here's a example of what I was thinking about.

http://i44.tinypic.com/ifo4g3.jpg

edit: it seems it stretch the page quiet a bit...

edit2: better copy

 

[stealth3654]

I like this format better. Even though it stretches the page out a little, it makes it so you don't have to keep scrolling up and down to read the information.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I definitely like this format, and keep the potential follow ups separate from this.

When are you going to post a video of "Tristan's amazing chain abilities!" I'm still waiting for that just cause I've been using chain more and more.

 

[Tristan_win]

ugh, so I'm stuck up in the dead zone of new york at the moment and have thus repicked up this project. My goal to have every single character up by the end of june is still active and since I'm stuck here with no car, no games, no books, no friends, in a small house(no privacy), near two dying towns, and with just my laptop and all the data which needed to be checked and organized odds are I'll start pumping out results shortly.

edit: to be technical they aren't towns. More like small villages where even Mac dee's can't stay open in the winter from the lack of business.

 

[stealth3654]

O.o

What are you doing there in the first place? At least you have your laptop and internet.

 

[Tristan_win]

O.o

What are you doing there in the first place? At least you have your laptop and internet.

Basically (in other words there's a lot more happening then what I'm about to say)
My mother roommate she had been living with for the past 10 years or so died and they were very close...

After learning this my sister called her to see how she was and after their 5 minute chat she decided it would be necessary to visit her as if to prevent her from doing something stupid. Obviously I couldn't let my sister who at the time was being very hysterical drive by herself for the next 12 hours so I came along to help in the long drive, keep her company/claimish and to help my mother once we got there.

With all seriousness thirty minutes after my sister talk to my mother we were on the road with only clothing for a few days. Also since my mother roommate was kinda a gamer... I didn't bring my wii or really anything besides my laptop.

Funny enough she's doing much better then we all thought, but even so I'm going to be here at least until the funeral ~sighs~

In other news I've checked and doubled the meta knight numbers...still not done though.

 

[East]

Tristan, why did you set the base power for all the attacks at 1 and not 1.05?

 

[stealth3654]

Do you think you can color code the %s when Sheik can ftilt > up smash and kill them?

 

[East]

Do you think you can color code the %s when Sheik can ftilt > up smash and kill them?

frame advantage of 11 and up.

 

[Tristan_win]

Tristan, why did you set the base power for all the attacks at 1 and not 1.05?

I'm sorry I don't understand your question. All my of data start at 1.05 only training mode can be 1.

Do you think you can color code the %s when Sheik can ftilt > up smash and kill them?

Do you mean like something like this? I guess I could do that and maybe later on add in red or something what % they die with DI.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2ngwggm.jpg


Edit: Oh wow, I have manage to combine my two greatest works into a chart. The sexiness of this link is just too great.... Sadly the information on this is not 100% correct since it's based on only a few characters studies plus from what I've seen from gameplay.

Once again this chart is not 100% correct and clearly not in it's final format but even so I doubt it's too far from the real thing...

http://i26.tinypic.com/14e2hqf.jpg

 

[stealth3654]

I really like how you color coded the charts. It makes it MUCH MUCH easier to read .

BTW, are you going to add the red boxes (kill %s with DI) for other characters other than MK?

 

[-Mars-]

Really good stuff and thank you for making it easier to read. I'm going to begin to count my ftilts because frankly i'm getting tired of my opponents living till 150+ every stock.

 

[Cyn]

thanks

that is a useful chart tristian...............thanks

 

[Tristan_win]

Well guys collage is starting up tomorrow and I'm going full time and at the same time I'm going to attempt to work full time so....yeah, smash is going to be put even more so on the back burner. That and I'm having hella fun play supreme commander forge alliance and blazblue so I'll most likely be spending my time on those when I get the time. I'll of course still check this forum very often I just might not be posting much.

About this project though, on Friday I'm going to have some schedule free time so in theory I'll be able to continue working on this at least then but even so I wouldn't mind if someone (preferably someone who post in the sheik forum often) helped me. All the data needed has been gather from the program it just needs to be organized into a readable format now and then simplified for public use.

Any volunteers?

 

[-Mars-]

I volunteer Saviors. I would do it but I also started college and tbh I suck at computer-related things like this.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Well guys collage is starting up tomorrow and I'm going full time and at the same time I'm going to attempt to work full time so....yeah, smash is going to be put even more so on the back burner. That and I'm having hella fun play supreme commander forge alliance and blazblue so I'll most likely be spending my time on those when I get the time. I'll of course still check this forum very often I just might not be posting much.

About this project though, on Friday I'm going to have some schedule free time so in theory I'll be able to continue working on this at least then but even so I wouldn't mind if someone (preferably someone who post in the sheik forum often) helped me. All the data needed has been gather from the program it just needs to be organized into a readable format now and then simplified for public use.

Any volunteers?

piece of peace?

I volunteer Saviors. I would do it but I also started college and tbh I suck at computer-related things like this.

O-o
I have enough testing to do right now.
I need to finish jab locks, crouching, platform falls and when that is done I'll start on Vanish catch and then maybe an in depth guide to the chain as well as a proper use of the chain video.

 

[Tristan_win]

I volunteer Saviors. I would do it but I also started college and tbh I suck at computer-related things like this.

haha, after the program did all the work there's been very little "computer-related things"

If you can fix this problem then you can help me

Organizing the set of numbers from 0.7 to 0.6 and then remove the spares.

Master note: using "Ctrl F" makes this MUCH easier. Just type in something like "0.69" and it will find it for you.
Note2: You only need to pay attention to the first group of numbers 0.7, 0.74, 0.72. Those the rest is just frame adv data.




Simple isn't it? :3

It looks scary at first but once you realize you can just control F it away it becomes nothing but a small chore ...Sadly though you have to do this 5 times for each character which takes roughly 20 minutes and if your me another 20 minutes dumbing it down into a chart...unless your Pikachu then only 10 since meta knight and pika weight are identical according to incidentroad weight data

 

[iLight]

hey so, i know this might not be exactly what your talking about in this thread but i didn't think this warranted a new thread being made.

I stumbled across this combo i was wondering if you could test tristan.

On medium to heavy characters at like 8% or so, f-tilt->u-tilt-> nair ->ftilt -> nair = free essentially 50 damage. This only works if the person gets hit by both parts of u-tilt i was wondering if you could test if this was true or not for me =]

 

[<π]

hey so, i know this might not be exactly what your talking about in this thread but i didn't think this warranted a new thread being made.

I stumbled across this combo i was wondering if you could test tristan.

On medium to heavy characters at like 8% or so, f-tilt->u-tilt-> nair ->ftilt -> nair = free essentially 50 damage. This only works if the person gets hit by both parts of u-tilt i was wondering if you could test if this was true or not for me =]

ftilt -> utilt isn't true at that percent but you can get it a lot of the time. I'm assuming the rest is sour nair -> ftilt -> sweet nair? That should work kinda... it isn't frame perfect but with human reaction time it should work on everyone without a frame 1 or 2 interrupt.

I got for grabs after low percent utilts since they offer better true follow ups. fair->ftilt being a huge one.\, they air didge the fair, you can nair, fair or re-grab most of the time.

 

[professor mgw]

haha, after the program did all the work there's been very little "computer-related things"

If you can fix this problem then you can help me

Organizing the set of numbers from 0.7 to 0.6 and then remove the spares.

Master note: using "Ctrl F" makes this MUCH easier. Just type in something like "0.69" and it will find it for you.
Note2: You only need to pay attention to the first group of numbers 0.7, 0.74, 0.72. Those the rest is just frame adv data.

0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.65 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-49 50-56 57-63 64-70 71-77 78-83 84-90 91-97 98-104 105-111 112-999
0.91 0-5 6-10 11-16 17-21 22-27 28-32 33-37 38-43 44-48 49-54 55-59 60-65 66-70 71-76 77-81 82-87 88-999
0.89 0-5 6-11 12-16 17-22 23-27 28-33 34-38 39-44 45-49 50-55 56-60 61-66 67-71 72-77 78-83 84-88 89-999
0.88 0-0 1-5 6-11 12-16 17-22 23-27 28-33 34-39 40-44 45-50 51-55 56-61 62-67 68-72 73-78 79-83 84-89 90-999
0.86 0-0 1-5 6-11 12-17 18-22 23-28 29-34 35-39 40-45 46-51 52-56 57-62 63-68 69-73 74-79 80-85 86-90 91-999
0.87 0-0 1-5 6-11 12-17 18-22 23-28 29-33 34-39 40-45 46-50 51-56 57-62 63-67 68-73 74-78 79-84 85-90 91-999
0.85 0-0 1-6 7-11 12-17 18-23 24-28 29-34 35-40 41-46 47-51 52-57 58-63 64-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-91 92-999
0.84 0-0 1-6 7-11 12-17 18-23 24-29 30-34 35-40 41-46 47-52 53-58 59-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-86 87-92 93-999
0.82 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-29 30-35 36-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-64 65-70 71-76 77-82 83-88 89-94 95-999
0.86 0-0 1-5 6-11 12-17 18-22 23-28 29-34 35-39 40-45 46-51 52-56 57-62 63-68 69-73 74-79 80-85 86-90 91-999
0.84 0-0 1-6 7-11 12-17 18-23 24-29 30-34 35-40 41-46 47-52 53-58 59-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-86 87-92 93-999
0.83 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-17 18-23 24-29 30-35 36-41 42-46 47-52 53-58 59-64 65-70 71-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-999
0.81 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-65 66-71 72-77 78-83 84-89 90-95 96-999
0.82 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-29 30-35 36-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-64 65-70 71-76 77-82 83-88 89-94 95-999
0.8 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.79 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.85 0-0 1-6 7-11 12-17 18-23 24-28 29-34 35-40 41-46 47-51 52-57 58-63 64-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-91 92-999
0.83 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-17 18-23 24-29 30-35 36-41 42-46 47-52 53-58 59-64 65-70 71-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-999
0.82 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-29 30-35 36-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-64 65-70 71-76 77-82 83-88 89-94 95-999
0.8 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.81 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-65 66-71 72-77 78-83 84-89 90-95 96-999
0.79 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.8 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.84 0-0 1-6 7-11 12-17 18-23 24-29 30-34 35-40 41-46 47-52 53-58 59-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-86 87-92 93-999
0.82 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-29 30-35 36-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-64 65-70 71-76 77-82 83-88 89-94 95-999
0.81 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-65 66-71 72-77 78-83 84-89 90-95 96-999
0.79 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.8 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.79 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.66 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-35 36-42 43-49 50-55 56-62 63-69 70-76 77-82 83-89 90-96 97-103 104-109 110-999
0.64 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-50 51-57 58-64 65-70 71-77 78-84 85-91 92-98 99-105 106-112 113-999
0.83 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-17 18-23 24-29 30-35 36-41 42-46 47-52 53-58 59-64 65-70 71-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-999
0.81 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-41 42-47 48-53 54-59 60-65 66-71 72-77 78-83 84-89 90-95 96-999
0.8 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.79 0-0 1-6 7-12 13-18 19-24 25-30 31-36 37-42 43-48 49-54 55-60 61-66 67-72 73-78 79-84 85-90 91-96 97-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.78 0-0 1-6 7-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-61 62-67 68-73 74-79 80-85 86-91 92-97 98-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.77 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-37 38-43 44-49 50-55 56-62 63-68 69-74 75-80 81-86 87-92 93-98 99-999
0.75 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-26 27-32 33-38 39-44 45-50 51-57 58-63 64-69 70-75 76-81 82-88 89-94 95-100 101-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.66 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-35 36-42 43-49 50-55 56-62 63-69 70-76 77-82 83-89 90-96 97-103 104-109 110-999
0.65 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-49 50-56 57-63 64-70 71-77 78-83 84-90 91-97 98-104 105-111 112-999
0.63 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-44 45-50 51-57 58-64 65-71 72-78 79-85 86-92 93-99 100-106 107-113 114-999
0.76 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-19 20-25 26-31 32-38 39-44 45-50 51-56 57-62 63-68 69-75 76-81 82-87 88-93 94-99 100-999
0.74 0-1 2-7 8-13 14-20 21-26 27-32 33-38 39-45 46-51 52-57 58-63 64-70 71-76 77-82 83-89 90-95 96-101 102-999
0.73 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-26 27-33 34-39 40-45 46-51 52-58 59-64 65-70 71-77 78-83 84-89 90-96 97-102 103-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.72 0-1 2-7 8-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-39 40-46 47-52 53-58 59-65 66-71 72-78 79-84 85-90 91-97 98-103 104-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.71 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-20 21-27 28-33 34-40 41-46 47-53 54-59 60-65 66-72 73-78 79-85 86-91 92-98 99-104 105-999
0.69 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-47 48-54 55-60 61-67 68-73 74-80 81-86 87-93 94-100 101-106 107-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.66 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-35 36-42 43-49 50-55 56-62 63-69 70-76 77-82 83-89 90-96 97-103 104-109 110-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.65 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-49 50-56 57-63 64-70 71-77 78-83 84-90 91-97 98-104 105-111 112-999
0.64 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-50 51-57 58-64 65-70 71-77 78-84 85-91 92-98 99-105 106-112 113-999
0.62 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-44 45-51 52-58 59-65 66-72 73-79 80-86 87-93 94-100 101-107 108-114 115-999
0.7 0-1 2-8 9-14 15-21 22-27 28-34 35-40 41-47 48-53 54-60 61-66 67-73 74-79 80-86 87-92 93-99 100-105 106-999
0.68 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-21 22-28 29-34 35-41 42-48 49-54 55-61 62-68 69-74 75-81 82-87 88-94 95-101 102-107 108-999
0.67 0-1 2-8 9-15 16-22 23-28 29-35 36-42 43-48 49-55 56-62 63-68 69-75 76-82 83-88 89-95 96-102 103-108 109-999
0.65 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-49 50-56 57-63 64-70 71-77 78-83 84-90 91-97 98-104 105-111 112-999
0.66 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-35 36-42 43-49 50-55 56-62 63-69 70-76 77-82 83-89 90-96 97-103 104-109 110-999
0.64 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-50 51-57 58-64 65-70 71-77 78-84 85-91 92-98 99-105 106-112 113-999
0.63 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-44 45-50 51-57 58-64 65-71 72-78 79-85 86-92 93-99 100-106 107-113 114-999
0.61 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-45 46-52 53-59 60-66 67-73 74-80 81-87 88-94 95-101 102-108 109-115 116-999
0.65 0-2 3-8 9-15 16-22 23-29 30-36 37-43 44-49 50-56 57-63 64-70 71-77 78-83 84-90 91-97 98-104 105-111 112-999
0.63 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-44 45-50 51-57 58-64 65-71 72-78 79-85 86-92 93-99 100-106 107-113 114-999
0.62 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-23 24-30 31-37 38-44 45-51 52-58 59-65 66-72 73-79 80-86 87-93 94-100 101-107 108-114 115-999
0.6 0-2 3-9 10-16 17-24 25-31 32-38 39-45 46-52 53-59 60-66 67-74 75-81 82-88 89-95 96-102 103-109 110-117 118-999



Simple isn't it? :3

It looks scary at first but once you realize you can just control F it away it becomes nothing but a small chore ...Sadly though you have to do this 5 times for each character which takes roughly 20 minutes and if your me another 20 minutes dumbing it down into a chart...unless your Pikachu then only 10 since meta knight and pika weight are identical according to incidentroad weight data

Meh, im just here 2 play the game not study statistics and math.

 

[-Mars-]

Thanks for that contribution we all wanted to know so badly, on another note i'm going to start memorizing these and have them all in my memory hopefully by christmas.

 

[Tristan_win]

Thanks for that contribution we all wanted to know so badly, on another note i'm going to start memorizing these and have them all in my memory hopefully by christmas.

...You don't need to memorize all the numbers there's plenty of ways to make learning them a lot easier.

Also that giant thing I posted although is the real unorganized data I posted it more to scare people for luls then for getting help which I knew wouldn’t come.

 

[clowsui]

where'd the chart go?

 

[ddonaldo]

where'd the chart go?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=249772
its coming back though

 

[Tristan_win]

where'd the chart go?

I took them down so I can beat them with the sakurai hammer.

I.E make them easier to "use" and making it even more limited in how to use them.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I <3 this.

 

[Tristan_win]

So I've recently continue my study on the Ftilt, the area of this study being combo % for the entire cast and how they differ.

http://i33.tinypic.com/3025q51.jpg

I color code it so it would be easier to see the changes. The chart jumps in fives so 0 frame advantage, 5 frame advantage, 10 frame advantage, and highest % for frame advantage which is 14 frame advantage.

Results: At first characters combo % are very similar but as the percents get higher characters differences become more visible and it help separate them. In the end there is up to 25 groups which with all things consider is much better then learning 38 different sets of numbers like most people believe they will have to do.

Problem with the study, I only tested fresh or no decay if this pattern does not continue in decay then learning things like this will be very difficult.

This Friday I'll test the max decay 0.46 and that will help prove my theory that it's possible to clump characters together.

 

[Dcold]

Hm. New charts. Explain how to understand this for people looking at the charts. The gist of it is clear, but the chart itself is not to me. Explain please.

 

[Tristan_win]

Does this help answer your questions? Edit: Aww, I thought that was the meta knight chart. Oh well it proves the same thing.

 

[Dcold]

Thank you, now it does. Will killing percentages be included at some point, or will there be a general grouping of when Usmash will kill, as the charts are with their grouping of similar characters.

 

[-Mars-]

Tristan I still think you should put like a "Ftilt decay for dummies" chart. that groups the different weight classes and tells you how xftilt decay>usmash will work at around what percentages. I know it's like that in the original post I just still have a hard time reading it.

 

[Tristan_win]

Tristan I still think you should put like a "Ftilt decay for dummies" chart. that groups the different weight classes and tells you how xftilt decay>usmash will work at around what percentages. I know it's like that in the original post I just still have a hard time reading it.

I refuse, I refuse to post false information and by clumping characters anymore then I have them now would be doing just that. I already have the numbers being at times being 2% different between characters in groups and because of it I've made a list of 39 into 14. There's also the problem that I do not know the exact percentage every character would die front a tipper usmash with DI so I really can't give a true number of Ftilt you would need.

Although if I was to suggest a number I would say 5Ftilts, at least for Meta knight and Snake that's the earliest you can combo into tipper usmash in the killing percents I use.

Meta knight: 93%
Snake: 115%

 

[-Mars-]

I refuse, I refuse to post false information and by clumping characters anymore then I have them now would be doing just that. I already have the numbers being at times being 2% different between characters in groups and because of it I've made a list of 39 into 14. There's also the problem that I do not know the exact percentage every character would die front a tipper usmash with DI so I really can't give a true number of Ftilt you would need.

Although if I was to suggest a number I would say 5Ftilts, at least for Meta knight and Snake that's the earliest you can combo into tipper usmash in the killing percents I use.

Meta knight: 93%
Snake: 115%

Thank you! This is all i wanted lol.

 

[Voyeur]

Thanks Tristan.

:]

Keep it up because even the slightest activity is worth something. Maybe over on AiB you can try to teach me how to take over some of the work if you liked.

 

[Tristan_win]

Dude I like retired.

I'm not going to spend a hour making a chart unless I think it will help me win cash but I'm not going to any events so....yeah.