whichi s why i play falco...you pretty much have to be sexy to win 
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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BrawlLover
Smash Champion
there's absolutely muffin wrong with looking sexy, this game is filled with sex, it's one of the reason why it's so attractive to those that understand it
who doesnt love looking sexy
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
scrubs/noobs with shirty attitudes, most of the people that love brawl more and less than me and...a lot of halo people
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Don't drill jab. Everyone these days buffer rolls or CC shines. If you want go for it. But I'd suggest shine or grab after a drill.
Beyond that, I do dair->turnaround utilt sometimes. If they block it I keep spamming it or bair shine them a bit.
Beyond that, I do dair->turnaround utilt sometimes. If they block it I keep spamming it or bair shine them a bit.
idk your so random... i never know what to do that's why i laser so much XD
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
the grab after drill, you mean if you hit them with it not their shield right?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Yea.
If you hit their shield:
-jump out
-nair/dair pillar
-WD back
-shine->JC grab
If you hit their shield:
-jump out
-nair/dair pillar
-WD back
-shine->JC grab
HAHAHAHA too good
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
so you're saying using dair on say...marth's shield, just jump out? they'd just grab you
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
with shine tagged on after, obviously.
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RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
dair->utilt is an awesome combo I should get more consistent with it. It's a **** way of starting a combo on chars you can't grab combo so well.
the timing of the utilt is pretty **** tight
raynex i remember that you said a few pages back that you had tested fox's cg on spacies and that it lasted until 55% with no DI, and to 80% with DI (i think that's what you said). How did you test and how sure are you the numbers are correct?
Not saying I don't beleive you or w/e, I'm wondering because I want to some reliable method to test fox's cg on falcon
btw are those numbers both for fox and falco?
the timing of the utilt is pretty **** tight
raynex i remember that you said a few pages back that you had tested fox's cg on spacies and that it lasted until 55% with no DI, and to 80% with DI (i think that's what you said). How did you test and how sure are you the numbers are correct?
Not saying I don't beleive you or w/e, I'm wondering because I want to some reliable method to test fox's cg on falcon
btw are those numbers both for fox and falco?
brawlpro
Smash Master
isn't it kinda obvious how he tested it ?
It also works against Firefox/falcos
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
No, their hitstun stops you from shining until after they've passed you. Its impossible to take the hit and shine them through it.
Mike: Someone else tested it, and M2K told me about in @ Event52 while we had friendlies at Darkrain's house. The CG works on Fox/Falco, Falcon's percentages are different.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
lol...
Yea, too situational. Dsmash, ftilt, bair, dair or even fsmash would be more suitable for that kind of situation.
Fox/Falco have very linear recoveries, so its not hard to improvise an edge-guard. CC shines is for characters like Link/DK, who can sometimes be a pain to edge-guard. Though with DK, you have to eat a few of his upb hits before your shine will come out.
Yea, too situational. Dsmash, ftilt, bair, dair or even fsmash would be more suitable for that kind of situation.
Fox/Falco have very linear recoveries, so its not hard to improvise an edge-guard. CC shines is for characters like Link/DK, who can sometimes be a pain to edge-guard. Though with DK, you have to eat a few of his upb hits before your shine will come out.
L__
Smash Master
You an F-Tilt edgegard the DK.
It has a considerably larger range than the Up-B.
It has a considerably larger range than the Up-B.
i do the gun is my fav part about fox
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
the f-tilt is a viable strategy, but you may not get it easily
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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55% for the chaingrab on spacies? Can't they shine out of it earlier?
brawlpro
Smash Master
u can shine earlier if u di up
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
brawlpro is brawlpro for sure
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
No, you can't. Its maaaaybe 52-55%, but I know thats it.
D.i.ing up is ineffectual. Why would you d.i. up? Isn't that the direction you're being thrown? Holding up on the control stick would simply be neutral d.i. and you wouldn't go anywhere.
you wait till 55% and shine or jump out. Thats what M2K told me. Thats what works for me.
NintenJoe
Smash Ace
How does auto SDI work? I read through InfernoOmni's guide for Fox some years ago and I don't remember seeing it in there. I could be wrong, it was a looong time ago...
brawlpro
Smash Master
the hell is this supposed to mean
CanISmash
Smash Lord
i think i was told earlier that most moves aren't perfect angles, so di'ing along the trajectory is bad but can have some kind of influence or whatever. so di-ing an u-throw up can have some influence just not as noticeable but maybe enough to give you time to shine out of it...
kinda like how you do versus marth?
could be wrong tho
not trying is also giving them the benefit that they are perfect when cg
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
The only thing I can think of that doing (and I'm not entirely sure; you probably need to angle slightly away as well) is forcing the Marth to have to pivot grab.
EDIT: Fox/Falco, not Marth >__>
EDIT: Fox/Falco, not Marth >__>
Silent Wolf
...
Oh, awesome.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Its called slight d.i.
Yes, it is true that forcing Marth to pivot grab is good. But most CGs in melee require some sort of d.i. in order for a combo opportunity to present itself.
Marth CGs Fox: If you d.i. left or right, Marth can fair, nair, tipper, re-grab. He can do a million and one things. Neutral d.i. isn't a whole lot better. But at least if he wants to tipper you he has to walk a bit and force it. D.i.ing during CGs is like handing them combos. Mind you, its good to mix it up sometimes - but on the whole, neutral d.i. followed by really good combo d.i. when they hit you is the best approach.
fox CGs Fox/Falco: If you d.i. left or right, they have the opportunity to re-grab, usmash, nair, bair....
but the problem is, they can do most of this with neutral d.i. anyway. The only advantage not d.i.ing brings to this situation is the fact that your trajectory becomes more random.
Sometimes if Fox nairs you or usmashes you during neutral d.i., you fly behind him or something. This could be due to a mistimed move or whatever, by my point still stands. Neutral d.i. reduces the chance of you getting super comboed. *imo*
What people normally do is:
Fox uthrow-> Falco d.i.s right -> Fox nair -> Falco "noooooo!!" d.i.'s towards Fox so he doesn't die -> Fox responds with a super duper star fox combo.
There is one recurring point I should mention when it comes to CGs.
The solution to the majority of them is usually to neutral d.i. and shine or jump. Marth @ 20% and above, Fox @ 55% and above, etc etc.
Yes, it is true that forcing Marth to pivot grab is good. But most CGs in melee require some sort of d.i. in order for a combo opportunity to present itself.
Marth CGs Fox: If you d.i. left or right, Marth can fair, nair, tipper, re-grab. He can do a million and one things. Neutral d.i. isn't a whole lot better. But at least if he wants to tipper you he has to walk a bit and force it. D.i.ing during CGs is like handing them combos. Mind you, its good to mix it up sometimes - but on the whole, neutral d.i. followed by really good combo d.i. when they hit you is the best approach.
fox CGs Fox/Falco: If you d.i. left or right, they have the opportunity to re-grab, usmash, nair, bair....
but the problem is, they can do most of this with neutral d.i. anyway. The only advantage not d.i.ing brings to this situation is the fact that your trajectory becomes more random.
Sometimes if Fox nairs you or usmashes you during neutral d.i., you fly behind him or something. This could be due to a mistimed move or whatever, by my point still stands. Neutral d.i. reduces the chance of you getting super comboed. *imo*
What people normally do is:
Fox uthrow-> Falco d.i.s right -> Fox nair -> Falco "noooooo!!" d.i.'s towards Fox so he doesn't die -> Fox responds with a super duper star fox combo.
There is one recurring point I should mention when it comes to CGs.
The solution to the majority of them is usually to neutral d.i. and shine or jump. Marth @ 20% and above, Fox @ 55% and above, etc etc.
unknown522
Some guy
neutral DI helps you escape the CG itself faster, giving you a chance to shine or jump at higher %s. Most CGs on fox end a lot lower than most people think when they don't DI the throw.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
what's that supposed to mean!!!!
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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Wow, sometimes the best thing you can do is nothing at all. Thanks.
I once heard M2K say it is important to memorize the percentages for the Jiggs matchup. Can I get some help on important percentages and strategies?
I once heard M2K say it is important to memorize the percentages for the Jiggs matchup. Can I get some help on important percentages and strategies?
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
it's important to know percentages in just about every matchup
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
utilt kills at a bit over 90 on most levels. with proper d.i. its like 110%.
Create a wall of utilt. It trades with all of jiggs moves or beats them if timed correctly. lol
uthrow uair works at 50-60% and its a kill on most levels. So look for that. Percentage specific stuff isn't required for Jiggs. You can't really combo her that much and yea... : S
Alphicans
Smash Hero
What are your guys' opinion on marth vs fox? Is it even? Better for marth? or better for fox? And why? I just had an argument with my friend, and I feel that we both don't know enough about the topic to actually settle it, so I thought I'd ask.
Thanks
Thanks
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
this depends on level of play, please be more elaborate
Alphicans
Smash Hero
If the average noob is 0 and M2K is 20, then 13+. Try your best to gauge that lol.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
do you know who cactuar is? what number would you give him, then this would be mucho easier