Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[ViperGold42]

how do thy shine spike?

 

[PK Webb]

down b when they r off stage

 

[Eclectic Echo]

Dash attack can't be completely bad on some characters and certain percentages wherever you use it. Just obviously best not to over use it.

 

[genkaku]

I thought leffen was being nice to a new player for a sec but it was really just bones0.

 

[sanchaz]

Nice to see that the fox boards are still active.

 

[Divinokage]

I actually did some pretty nifty combos recently involving dash attacks though as Falco but since we are on the subject. (It's the same principle) It seems to be an option to techchase relatively easy if you aren't super confident doing more crazy reads. Other than that, I mean I think it's a good option to chain attacks after doing it. It's good ****. Utilt at low percent also very good to chain more attacks.

But from what I remember this is like 03-04 stuff lol.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Champ combo...?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Sinji]

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Stockholm Sweden
characters Yoshi, fox lucario

Username Bones0

#got fooled

 

[kd-]

Champ combo is pretty good.

Why is 'on platforms' one of the worst places to use dash attack? Assuming your opponent isn't waiting underneath to punish, dash attack seems like a decent tech chase-ish followup, sort of "safe" due to the small amount of room to maneuver on the platform, and at worst a risk-reward in either popping the opponent up into open air or you getting punished in open air.

Also, Bones is too good.

 

[Divinokage]

Because it's pretty much impossible to follow up when the opponent is sent off the platform after a dash attack and also dash attack is super slow to techchase with, there's far better options to cover the platform as you are techchasing, it's not reliable at all to do on platforms.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Ah but there are options to cover when they go off! A properly fast falled nair will hit them, leading into an usmash if they DI in or edgeguard in any other case.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Dash attack isn't slow to techchase with cuz dash attack has like 4 (or was it 5?) frame startup. In any case it's at least 2 frames faster than techchasing with grab

 

[Divinokage]

Ya but you have to take the time to get on the platform too, why would you give up your positional advantage to get something with high risk, low reward?

Also you get stuck in the animation of the dash attack on the platform if you do it on the edge of the platform which is very likely to happen, you can't even cross up with it. lol.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Kage, the point is to do something like uthrow, they land on the platform, uair, usmash they DI to the middle platform, you techchase with nair->dash attack then follow up the dash attack by dash shffl nair->usmash or edgeguard.

 

[Divinokage]

I cant see this happening... Show me a vid where someone uses dash attack on a platform and actually does something good with it.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

if any of my vids get put up, i'll see if i have one in there

 

[Eclectic Echo]

Dash attack>all

 

[omgwtfToph]

Ya but you have to take the time to get on the platform too, why would you give up your positional advantage to get something with high risk, low reward?

Oh. Well you didn't say that lol, you just said "dash attack is super slow to techchase with." I guess I have a hard time understanding your Canadian sentence structures.

 

[kd-]

I cant see this happening... Show me a vid where someone uses dash attack on a platform and actually does something good with it.

Yo Kage thanks for the responses. I can see your point, just going to specify that I'm not arguing with you, just offering a different point of view for a sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4WNpvxatCY&t=5m5s

This would fall under my 'sort of "safe"' option that I was talking about, as Mango is forced off the ledge. After teching he might have been able to upair or maybe even uptilt, but was kind of put in an awkward situation and shielded. Jman was able to pressure with the drop down aerial and eventually get the kill.

I believe what you're saying is that it's better to aerial below, which is what Jman did all game (and set for that matter). I remember KirbyKaze saying how good Fox upair from underneath the platform is, and aerials from below the platform, if used right, is a really good option and could be better than dash attack. I think though, in situations where the Fox puts on pressure and gets a knockdown on a platform, can do a waveland tech-chase on that platform and get a grab or dash attack, similarly to Sheik. In the dash attack case, if the opponent properly DIs then he/she will fly too far away to follow up on like you said (certain situations withstanding), but that lends itself to an edgeguard opportunity which may be worth it anyway.

 

[Divinokage]

Oh. Well you didn't say that lol, you just said "dash attack is super slow to techchase with." I guess I have a hard time understanding your Canadian sentence structures.

Ya but we were talking about platforms.. =/ For sure you had to assume that at least.

 

[unknown522]

On platforms? Why would you dash attack?

Last resort I guess if you decide to waveland

 

[ViperGold42]

I find it was easier to combo and shinecancel with Fox than Falco.

 

[Eclectic Echo]

On platforms? Why would you dash attack?

Last resort I guess if you decide to waveland

Well, if you're tech chasing, and the the situation arises where they roll in toward the stage on either the outside platforms, that's when a dash attack can be used. Prop them up nice on the top platform. I've seen it happen and you can easily follow up with something.

 

[sanchaz]

Dash attacking on platforms sounds so bad and silly.

 

[Lovage]

never a reason to dash attack on a platform LOL

just waiting for their tech underneath the platform and then and bairing is what u want to do like 99% of the time.
use uair instead if it'll combo into itself

 

[unknown522]

pretty much.

Oh yeah, something to be wary of vs other spacies:

if you tech chase with u-air when they're on a platform, they can CC the first hit and shine you. It doesn't come up a lot, but I have been death combo'd by falco a couple of times because of that. Other characters can shield after CCing it, but once again it doesn't seem to happen too often

 

[Eclectic Echo]

What's wrong with dash attacking on a platform? Can't be that bad, I don't do it. I just see some do it every now and then for an easy bit of damage and works out.

 

[Lovage]

how/why are they TECHING as you are already grounded on the top platform

that situation will like never ever happen lol, this whole thing is when theorycrafting goes wrong lol, riveting discussion

 

[Divinokage]

Ya it's pretty much all that, I guess you need other people to say it before it becomes valid or some ****. lol.

 

[unknown522]

how/why are they TECHING as you are already grounded on the top platform

that situation will like never ever happen lol, this whole thing is when theorycrafting goes wrong lol, riveting discussion

oh, if they don't tech then yeah that's an easy u-air.

But you know when you throw the opponent onto a platform and they tech? That's what I was talking about

 

[Winston]

Can't you delay the uair so you only hit with the second hit to avoid that problem?

 

[Eclectic Echo]

In the end, I'm sure it's all about what you feel like doing and works. And I say do whatever works.

 

[Divinokage]

You cant really have that luxury with Fox.. actually with any character, you have to **** up your opponent the best way possible.

 

[unknown522]

Can't you delay the uair so you only hit with the second hit to avoid that problem?

or do it early, yeah

 

[ViperGold42]

so for Shinespiking, I have to DI in my opponents direction correct? because I am not getting the result I need.

 

[Bones0]

Troll confirmed.

 

[Warhawk]

so for Shinespiking, I have to DI in my opponents direction correct? because I am not getting the result I need.

Afraid I don't understand exactly what you're asking here.

 

[Bing]

oh dear...

Why would you dash attack on a platform? Thats just asking to get punished, I feel like theres so many better options :S Like hell, with the scenario you gave, I'd rather just like.. Run up and grab them.. or Jab grab...

Also yes, Viper is defs a troll...

 

[Eclectic Echo]

Bones0, you changed your avatar ! :O

 

[ViperGold42]

oh dear...

Why would you dash attack on a platform? Thats just asking to get punished, I feel like theres so many better options :S Like hell, with the scenario you gave, I'd rather just like.. Run up and grab them.. or Jab grab...

Also yes, Viper is defs a troll...