IrArby
Smash Ace
Fair enough. Let the Mr. T jokes proceed.
Mr. T was at one time a Psychic for the Psychic Friends Hotline but was fired for constant predictions of "Pain".
Mr. T wears sunglasses to protect the sun from his eyes.
Ok I'll stop there.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Mr. T was at one time a Psychic for the Psychic Friends Hotline but was fired for constant predictions of "Pain".
Mr. T wears sunglasses to protect the sun from his eyes.
Ok I'll stop there.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
alright guys, join this group because you know you want to:
http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=21
http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=21
Dragmire
Smash Lord
best group in all of SWF
can you believe someone made a chuck norris group
can you believe someone made a chuck norris group
Toobz
Smash Journeyman
*Joined.*.
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
4th Generation of greatness = subpar indeed
IrArby
Smash Ace
I almost feel unworthy to join. But, if no one objects I'll join.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Everyone who feels that Melee >>> should feel obligated to join, don't worry about being unworthy or any johns like that. Actually, everyone should invite everyone they know that likes melee more to prove to the smash community how much better melee is.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
"ssb64>melee>barbie's pony adventure>brawl"
-PC Chris
-PC Chris
takieddine
Smash Master
I think Melee is better than 64, they added to the game, while making it faster.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I never said I agreed with PC Chris. I think Melee is better than 64.
I just love how he said Barbie's pony adventure was better than brawl. lol.
I just love how he said Barbie's pony adventure was better than brawl. lol.
IrArby
Smash Ace
I've only played only played 64 once in the past year but the speed made it terrible for me more than anything. Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if I could do some of those fabled "unstoppable 0 > death combos" but since I couldn't I just left and went to play Melee.
brawlpro
Smash Master
But 0-death combos r like way easier in 64 then in melee.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
na, 0-deaths are easier in melee. all you need is you opponent to miss one DI in the beginning, then you KOed them from a grab w/ marth, or all you need is for them to miss DI off a nair or shine and they're dead to dsmash or shinespike.
0-deaths are more guaranteed in 64.
if anything, you guys should play MBAC lol.
0-deaths are more guaranteed in 64.
if anything, you guys should play MBAC lol.
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
i think i'll stick to madden.
takieddine
Smash Master
yeah raynEx i didnt say you agreed with him or anything.
IIRC l-canceling in 64 was truly broken since it literally gave no lag at all.
IIRC l-canceling in 64 was truly broken since it literally gave no lag at all.
GOTM
Smash Champion
melee is the best video game ever created
SCOTU
Smash Hero
z-canceling gave you normal landing lag of 2frames (@ 30fps), so it's not a no lag solution, but it's as if you didn't attack, so it's still extraordinarily broken. Especially with so much hitstun and shield stun.
obnoxious .
takieddine
Smash Master
The equivelant of floatcanceling in Melee pretty much...except much easier to perform.
Dragmire
Smash Lord
no it's just easier for some with R and for others L
SCOTU
Smash Hero
to someone just learning, i'd highly recommend learning to wavedash w/ the button that they don't use to shield, as this will make it much easier to wavedash out of shield in the future.
IrArby
Smash Ace
Yea agree with ^^^^^. Its hard to Waveshield using only R and trying to learn to shield things with L now is just too frustrating. Relearn to Wavedash with L button? Forget about it. Learn to use both while you still can.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Actually...
If you don't push the shield button all the way when you shield (which can actually be good, since it won't cause you to miss techs) then you can jump out of shield and then click the shield button all the way in for the wavedash.
Tada, waveshielding with one button.
That being said, it's a pain. It's usually easier to just hit the other shield button and wavedash with the one you're used to wavedashing with.
If you don't push the shield button all the way when you shield (which can actually be good, since it won't cause you to miss techs) then you can jump out of shield and then click the shield button all the way in for the wavedash.
Tada, waveshielding with one button.
That being said, it's a pain. It's usually easier to just hit the other shield button and wavedash with the one you're used to wavedashing with.
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
yeah @scotu. i had to relearn to shield with L rofl.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
actually, now that i think about it, it doesn't matter.
and now i get to lol at all the ppl (like MikeHAZE) who relearned ****.
Shield put away lag is jump cancel-able. meaning, you can release R, then hit x>r, and it's pretty much as fast as doing it w/ the other button. Lol, should've thought've that earlier lol. That's how Ankoku does it iirc.
and now i get to lol at all the ppl (like MikeHAZE) who relearned ****.
Shield put away lag is jump cancel-able. meaning, you can release R, then hit x>r, and it's pretty much as fast as doing it w/ the other button. Lol, should've thought've that earlier lol. That's how Ankoku does it iirc.
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
wow shudddap.
rofl idk it seems easier to just change buttons though.
rofl idk it seems easier to just change buttons though.
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Okay, Ive been trying this alot lately with Fox and Falco but to no avail. How do you Shine>wavedash backwards *WITHOUT* turning around?
I can do turn around shines to aerials and all that Jazz but I want to be able to shine then wavedash backwards to combo or edgeguard.
I can do turn around shines to aerials and all that Jazz but I want to be able to shine then wavedash backwards to combo or edgeguard.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
hit x/y before hitting moving the control stick, then move the control stick and hit R/L
IrArby
Smash Ace
What scotu said. ^^^ He's faster.
MarsFool!
Smash Lord
Quick Reply, thanks. SO its nothing more than a JC shine? Man, No wonder my first main was Ganondorf >_>
Silent Wolf
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No its not a jc shine, whats hes talking about is after youve pressed B
Silent Wolf
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If you dash into an immediate shield dash, and immediately WD out of the shield, then do the same before the WD is over, the shield won't cancel the momentum the seconds time, but it will the first. It can create the illusion that your character can alter his traction if done back to back and followed up with other moves that add onto the effect. I'll put up a video of it being done correctly sometime or something. This is very old by the way, just realized I've never said anything about it. I may use this and a few more tricks in some scenarios and throw together a video. There are a few ways to make your characters...different.
EDIT: It's only good looking if you do it framer perfectly, which is hard at first with Fox. Try it with Falco and if you do it, you'll know for sure what I'm talking about. If someone does it good, put up a video, and throw it into a scenario or something cool.
EDIT 2: Also after the first dash into shield WD, if you moonwalk after the WD and shield dash fast enough, you can do it without a dash backwards and still not have the shield cancel your momentum one bit and show up. This one is much harder though.
Also every character can "Shine turn around" onto the ledge if they dash cancel perfectly and turn around wavedash. It's hard, to do because you have to have a loose control stick so you'll be able to dash cancel by tapping it down the slightest bit, then dashing the slightest bit and so on. Also very old news, but a lot of people probably don't know.
EDIT: It's only good looking if you do it framer perfectly, which is hard at first with Fox. Try it with Falco and if you do it, you'll know for sure what I'm talking about. If someone does it good, put up a video, and throw it into a scenario or something cool.
EDIT 2: Also after the first dash into shield WD, if you moonwalk after the WD and shield dash fast enough, you can do it without a dash backwards and still not have the shield cancel your momentum one bit and show up. This one is much harder though.
Also every character can "Shine turn around" onto the ledge if they dash cancel perfectly and turn around wavedash. It's hard, to do because you have to have a loose control stick so you'll be able to dash cancel by tapping it down the slightest bit, then dashing the slightest bit and so on. Also very old news, but a lot of people probably don't know.
takieddine
Smash Master
Brookman iss right, but sooner or later you're gonna have to learn to WD backwards out of shine. You'll find it extremely helpful in higher levels of play.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
actually, i only use it at the end of waveshine chains i **** up (and don't usmash/ dsmash) so that i can edgehog/ slide off into a bair. Brookman's right, it's really not that useful at all.