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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Tomacawk
Smash Master
I think it's like 110%ish
that **** combos really high though, it is my least favorite combo to die to
Ryan-K
Smash Master
how come people practice dumb stuff like shine -> bair but almost noone can do fox's ledgehop bair regrab ?_?
Jimbo Slice
Smash Journeyman
What makes you think we have priorities?
Lovage
Smash Hero
wtf are you talking about
got a vid???????sounds pretty sexy to me
unknown522
Some guy
joeplicate
Smash Master
it's more like 80% with no DI, 105-110% with full DI to either side
generally speaking, if you see them going to the side, go for the upsmash kill
Ryan-K
Smash Master
nah i don't but fox can do ledgehop bair and grab the edge like falco can it's just harder to time.
voorhese
Smash Master
does it involve ledge canceling the ledge?
cuz with falco ive been workin on ledgehop double laser (ledge cancel it) and do it again
cuz with falco ive been workin on ledgehop double laser (ledge cancel it) and do it again
this just sounds like you're begging to lose a stock.
mers
Smash Ace
Edgeguarding Falcons who recover high? Since going low for Falcon means death against Fox, I find myself needing to bair quite a lot.
Winston
Smash Master
Stand on stage or jump out to intercept to edgeguard Falcons who recover high. It's way better than grabbing the edge.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
whaaa? bair regrab is amazing, it's a multiple option strat which is unexpected. imagine a fox/falco recovering with up-b, guess which direction they choose with a bair, if it connects that's a stock, if not, then re-grab which covers the most expected option of upb into the ledge, and if they don't then you should have time to followup since your just waiting on the ledge. this could easily apply to falcon also
Tomacawk
Smash Master
yeah that would be PERFECT for ledge guarding falcons. I didn't even know this was possible. Time to learn it :D
@ mid percent say 50 to 65 on falco/fox/falcon, up throw -> they land on platform-> nair............after that nair does fox really have any options to combo???? because most likely the nair will knock them outta range of anything......just wondering....trying some new stuff besides uair
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I REALLY like dair to grab for platform chasing at mid percents. Nair won't combo unless they DI in and you're really fast. Uair will combo into one more uair or a bair/nair. if they DI towards a higher platform on the uair you can grab them and uthrow usmash (on yoshi's you can get EARLY kills like this by charging your usmash)
rather than nair, if you running full hop fast fall bair and hit them towards the direction you're running you can get a combo out of it
rather than nair, if you running full hop fast fall bair and hit them towards the direction you're running you can get a combo out of it
toma could u go to http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286949
im confused...i hear dair is way worse than uair because of sdi.........cuz on a platform cant they sdi the dair and slide off the side of the platform?
Lovage
Smash Hero
wtfs going on here!!!!!
i guess bair regrab is ok
its just as useless as shine bair
its a million times more risky and like 0.0001% faster than just bairing (with a fastfall) and then wavedashing back to the edge
against spacies firefox and falcon you don't have to guess which way they recover you can just react and ledgehop bair and land on the stage.
as for platform combos at low %
i think dair is only good at like under 10%. if you try to uair under 10% you might not be able to connect with an usmash after, if you drill and then grab, you can usmash much easier cuz they're at higher percent. anytime besides that though, uair is the best for punishing missed tech on platform.
i guess bair regrab is ok
its just as useless as shine bair
its a million times more risky and like 0.0001% faster than just bairing (with a fastfall) and then wavedashing back to the edge
against spacies firefox and falcon you don't have to guess which way they recover you can just react and ledgehop bair and land on the stage.
as for platform combos at low %
i think dair is only good at like under 10%. if you try to uair under 10% you might not be able to connect with an usmash after, if you drill and then grab, you can usmash much easier cuz they're at higher percent. anytime besides that though, uair is the best for punishing missed tech on platform.
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what happens if they think they are gonna get hit by a dair but then you hit them with a bair? well what if they think they are gonna get hit by a bair but you dair? If they dont expect it you can get away with it....
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
dair on platforms is better from like a nair combo than from an uthrow onto platform. cuz dair after uthrow on platform is relatively standard and easy to see coming
a good example of this is that one set at R3 with Lucky vs Zhu's Marth
a good example of this is that one set at R3 with Lucky vs Zhu's Marth
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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so this isn't really related to fox in any particular way, but i was playing fox when it happened and i dont want to start a thread in melee discussion because nothing gets accomplished there and smart people frequent this thread.
i was playing fox against my friend's CF today. i had missed a tech on a platform (i dont know if that's germane or not), and he stomped me. i fell through the platform and landed on the ground instead of getting popped up.
I couldn't repeat this, although we only tried like once because who cares, but what happen? My guess is that I SDI'd it down and my body went far enough through the platform that the like 'be on platform' flag or whatever bull**** wasn't triggered anymore, so my downward momentum actually sent me down instead of upwards. am i correct about this?
ASDI was not sufficient to produce the same result (bc thats way easier to test).
i was playing fox against my friend's CF today. i had missed a tech on a platform (i dont know if that's germane or not), and he stomped me. i fell through the platform and landed on the ground instead of getting popped up.
I couldn't repeat this, although we only tried like once because who cares, but what happen? My guess is that I SDI'd it down and my body went far enough through the platform that the like 'be on platform' flag or whatever bull**** wasn't triggered anymore, so my downward momentum actually sent me down instead of upwards. am i correct about this?
ASDI was not sufficient to produce the same result (bc thats way easier to test).
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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if that were the case, wouldn't i have fallen down the like 2 pixels and landed on the platform? what happened was i fell all thew ay through the platform to the bottom part of the stage.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Still want a few words of wisdom? It feels like Unknown advised the hell out of this ****. Who critiques at every possible second? lol what a monster
Pro tip: If you're having troubles getting out of Falco's combos as Fox, don't go back to FD.
It didn't seem like you were in control match 1, so i couldn't believe it when you went back to FD. Just CP somewhere else, where the Falco has to work to complete combos. FD is automatic follow-ups for him. Keep entering tournies and building up your smash resume. I saw lots of simple mistakes that plain old experience can remedy. D.i. away from shines, d.i. away from nairs, CG on FD, uthrow -> usmash or regrab (not utilt like you were doing everytime), etc etc etc
You got this man
pretty sure you just did
Tomacawk
Smash Master
the more **** talking about why I suck the better, Painex
Kanelol
Smash Lord
Were you really close to Samus when it happened? Or was it just a regular clank?
Winston
Smash Master
Doesn't almost anything cancel a full charge shot?
unknown522
Some guy
yeah, a lot of crap stop the charge shot. If it does about over half the damage of the beam, then the move will cancel it. It's really funny to knee through the charge beam.
oh, and sheik's needles.
oh, and sheik's needles.
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
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That's actually pretty easy to do, and Jiggly's n-air has mad priority P:
4 Aces
Smash Ace
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****, I just got owned by the internet. T-T I used to always assumed that only projectiles and maybe disjointed hitboxes could clank it.
Just a regular clank. What would've happened if I was really close to Samus?
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
To attain Chillin Level 8.
No seriously, it's not really useful.
lol nah, that'd be broken as ****
np