Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Silent Wolf]

Just get used to the timing. It's a whole different move than Falco's, so don't think of the timings as the same. Do it later for Fox.

 

[brawlpro]

alrightz kewl, some ppl had told me its the same, and i tried a while ago but gave up!

thnx!!!

 

[stranga]

I'm not sure if this has already been asked but I need to know what stages benefit fox and which I should avoid all together

 

[Oskurito]

I'm not sure if this has already been asked but I need to know what stages benefit fox and which I should avoid all together

Cunning kitsune's guide tell what stages are good against each character you should check it

 

[brawlpro]

avoid final destination against marth, and pkmn stadium against marth...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4YfJ0DFeoI

sometimes pkmn stadium can benefit fox cause of the wall and stuff, but its risky, onett is a good fox place, and that is my noob knowledge. but check Ckit's thread cuz he knows his ****. it tells you everything almost...its stickied.

 

[Randizzle]

onett is usually banned in tournaments nowadays. to my experience the best neutrals for fox against marth for of are stadium and maybe FoD. Some people also like yoshi's story, but that can also be a very good marth stage as most people know. Avoid FD if the marth likes to chain grab, battlefield otherwise.

 

[Silent Wolf]

Best Neutrals vs marth are Stadium and Dream Land.

 

[brawlpro]

ken beasting chillin! have you seen the vid man?

 

[SCOTU]

have you tried it? Stadium is an amazing fox stage, and it works against marth. I don't think i've ever seen SW counter pick something other than stadium though...

 

[Oskurito]

Any stage that marth can die fast like FoD or yoshi's is ok imo just use upthrow gayness and upsmashes that's if you were on a tourney, if not I really wont care what stage they'll pick

 

[Shai Hulud]

I like Dreamland a lot against Marth. There's the high ceiling which sucks but there's plenty of room for lasers, the platforms are high enough to avoid platform-assisted tippers, and the platforms let you get out of chainthrows...

I guess Corneria is probably good? Topography should assist in getting out of chainthrows, the ceiling is low, stage is fairly wide, etc.

What about Green Greens? Last time I took a Marth there he'd just camp one of the side platforms. Maybe I don't know how to play on that stage.

 

[Asian_Flava]

Whats up fools! Im just startin to pick up Fox, what should I learn to do first, I can Lcancel pretty good and WD pretty fast and that typa shinanogins, what advanced stuff should I know?

 

[Oskurito]

Whats up fools! Im just startin to pick up Fox, what should I learn to do first, I can Lcancel pretty good and WD pretty fast and that typa shinanogins, what advanced stuff should I know?

waveshining and shuffling are the basics for fox

 

[Randizzle]

get good at uairs, learn when to go for shine spikes, learn to shine or grab after lc aerials, there's a lot of stuff...

check out cunning's guide (it's stickied)

 

[brawlpro]

camp shl/shdl...

 

[SCOTU]

Whats up fools! Im just startin to pick up Fox, what should I learn to do first, I can Lcancel pretty good and WD pretty fast and that typa shinanogins, what advanced stuff should I know?

dashdance, jc grab, jc usmash, shl, drillgrab, drillshine>usmash, uthrow>uair. That's about it. can't really think of anything else fox needs to learn. Maybe some edgeguarding stuff like ledge hopped bairs.

 

[j00t]

This is a question for Silent Wolf.

Which one is faster, turning in your shine to a Thunder's or reverse waveshining then turning into the jab? If you don't know what i'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgmyb4rGLI at 1:06-1:08.

 

[4 Aces]

So only Fox can't tech Falco's dthrow. Are there any other characters like this? Can Fox tech another Fox's dthrow? Is it a chaingrab when Falco dthrows a Fox multiple times? Cuz in one video guide it said it was, but I'm kinda skeptical. I did see 3 grabs in a row done to a Fox by a Falco in one match though.

 

[Shök]

fox can be chaingrabbed by falcos d-throw, but it is very easy to get out of

 

[brawlpro]

smashers here have a hard time getting out of it. Like they can 3 stock me at times but i can still chainthrow them by doing his dthrow(falco's)

so it is considered a chainthrow when falco dthrow's a fox, and fox can tech out of it i think, and its super easy to tech out of fox's dthrow when you are another fox, when some ppl here have trouble teching out of my falco's dthrow they di back, but then i do a jc grab moving forward, i just follow them, the best way is to try to tech out of it. And iono other characters that can be chained this way...

BTW: I GOT NEARLY 15 NEW VIDEOS LAST NIGHT!!!

 

[4 Aces]

How come people can DI shines (DI'ing away), but not an upthrow (DI'ing upwards)?

Also, I've been having some trouble waveshining Marths. I mean like downright repeative shines. Is it even possible? The consecutive hits meter sure thinks it is. Do I need to do a dashed jc shine after the waveshine?

Isn't to dash cancel, you need to wait until the dash animation finishes? Therefore a jc shine is better than a dash canceled shine, right?

BTW, thanks for the info. Shok and Brawlpro.

 

[j00t]

Why would you want to repeat waveshines against a Marth? Waveshine -> grab & Waveshine -> upsmash will ALWAYS be better. ALWAYS

BTW, no, you can't repeat waveshines against marth, though you can do drill waveshines against him. Just stick to the waveshine -> grab.

 

[4 Aces]

I was just wondering if it's possible, since I found that I could do repeative nair shines on Marth (not that well though), but not repeative waveshines, which I found quite peculiar.

 

[Silent Wolf]

This is a question for Silent Wolf.

Which one is faster, turning in your shine to a Thunder's or reverse waveshining then turning into the jab? If you don't know what i'm talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgmyb4rGLI at 1:06-1:08.

Turning around before the jab is faster, also easier.

 

[SCOTU]

you can repeat waveshines against marth. you have to dash>jc shine, like you said. It's still not really worth it.

edit: SW's new sig is awesome

 

[brawlpro]

it won't always be better, nair > waveshine > uthrow > uair > uair > etccan be better...

 

[Silent Wolf]

you can repeat waveshines against marth. you have to dash>jc shine, like you said. It's still not really worth it.

edit: SW's new sig is awesome

if you dash, marth will escpe. if he doesn't smash DI, you can get him doing it regularely.

 

[Mcscruff]

Silent wolf, is it better for me to use full jumps of shorthops when i do back air->shine on someone's shield? I'm just wondering which one will do more damage, and has less chance of me getting grabbed.

 

[brawlpro]

you guys don't have to ask SW erythin, just ask the question, SW has a life...

 

[Silent Wolf]

Silent wolf, is it better for me to use full jumps of shorthops when i do back air->shine on someone's shield? I'm just wondering which one will do more damage, and has less chance of me getting grabbed.

Depends really. Might be better if you switch it up a bit. Maybe even jump, then shine their sheild before hitting the ground then doulbe jump because they may think you landed and tried to grab, so you can punish them.

 

[Oskurito]

Drillshine>run>grab is the best thing you can do against marth, then comes upthrow>uair...

 

[SCOTU]

if you dash, marth will escpe. if he doesn't smash DI, you can get him doing it regularely.

why would he escape if you dash? it's practically the same as a jc grab, but with less range, but more dash time. If he DI's away (or SDIs) isn't the only way to catch him with a dash? the way i do it in training mode is with a dash, so that works if they don't DI, and i can't imagine that not dashing is better if they do DI.

 

[Silent Wolf]

why would he escape if you dash? it's practically the same as a jc grab, but with less range, but more dash time. If he DI's away (or SDIs) isn't the only way to catch him with a dash? the way i do it in training mode is with a dash, so that works if they don't DI, and i can't imagine that not dashing is better if they do DI.

when you said "he can repeat waveshines against marth" i thought you meant waveshines and nothing to do with a grab. i didnt read who you were talking to though. my fault.

 

[Goldkirby]

it won't always be better, nair > waveshine > uthrow > uair > uair > etccan be better...

That person was talking about waveshine -> grab or u-smash as always being a better option then repeated waveshines. Plus that combo that you posted has the same freaking combo he was talking about, the waveshine -> grab...

While we are on the topic of repeated waveshines, I don't find them to be all that useful unless you are sandbagging and feel like being a little bit flashy. The only people I really even try doing the waveshine "infinite" on are Link, DK, Ganon, C. Falcon, Peach, and Zelda. Even then I will only do 2-3, then either u-smash or grab them and mixup from there.


Also, I have a question of my own, how does the invincibility on triangle jumping work? For those of you that don't know, triangle jumping is doing the wavedash too slowly and coming off the ground a little bit. Are you only invincible when you are in the air you lose the invincibility when you touch the ground? I have an idea of trying to incorporate this into my game to get past some of people's attacks by using the invinciblity you get from the air-dodge. For example, it would be really funny to run up near a marth, triangle jump through his f-smash, then do whatever while Marth is still recovering from the f-smash lag.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Some characters can be gimped pretty easily by waveshining them across the stage and then off (CF, Ganon). This is my primary strategy in these matchups actually.

Triangle jumping is useless.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Question: What are the really important technical thigns to practice with fox? What would u recommend as say a daily training routine to quickly up ones technical game with fox?

 

[Adi]

Get the rhythm of Shffling and waveshining down.

 

[brawlpro]

learn dash dance first...

daily routine??? umm, ask for advice, then practice it

 

[superkong53]

I love marth

 

[brawlpro]

and i hate spam, now i hate spam, you made ma hate spam, now silent wolf is gonna close this, don't spam.