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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Holy god****. Your signature made me think I had bugs on my monitor when I saw it for the first time.
Two questions now (one of them has to do with shine bair).
Sometimes the enemy is the like perfect distance off the stage, so you can jump shine turnaround and then jump up and bair them. (The shine just so you can turn around, not to actually hit them with the shine). It has good KO power and I find that you can maneuver better after the bair to get on the stage. Thoughts?
I don't play very many links, but I had one question. To what percentage does dthrow -> up B work on Fox?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Every one does shine turnaround bair
. Its viable in many situations and should be used if a safe opportunity to do so comes around. Its nothing really special though. I've traded doing that for just waiting and shining them or hitting back off so I can learn to be less complicated. I used to do it ALOT, and it got me killed sometimes. Bottom line: use it in moderation. Dthrow upb should work at around 70 i think. It works past 120%, probably till...god iunno like 140? Fox falls too fast for him to be able to jump out any sooner.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Random question completely unrelated to SSBM or Fox in any way.
SpaceFalcon, do you play DotA?
Binx
Smash Master
If you think you can hit them like that then give it a shot, although most players won't fall for that, they will either airdodge, or DI away and save their jump to sweetspot the ledge if they have it, or up b early if they are fox, or shine to mess up the timing, or if they are marth they can neutral b or fair you or forward b to mess up your timing, and such.
Thats why he suggests waiting because its so easy to escape from.
As for the Link question, I believe its between about 50-90%, earlier that that and you can tech before hand I'm pretty sure, and after that I *think* you can DI away far enough to avoid it. Don't quote me as gospel though.
EDIT: I'd take raynex's numbers over mine haha.
Thats why he suggests waiting because its so easy to escape from.
As for the Link question, I believe its between about 50-90%, earlier that that and you can tech before hand I'm pretty sure, and after that I *think* you can DI away far enough to avoid it. Don't quote me as gospel though.
EDIT: I'd take raynex's numbers over mine haha.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I like what you said about escaping shine turnaround bair. It makes me want to say:
its really easy to see coming, especially seeing as once you do it...the chances of you spamming it are extremely high. Its one of those things where it looks cool and is relatively easy to do so overusing it is almost implied.
On that note - people need to overuse shine. As a stand-alone move, it is TREMENDOUSLY broken. Ever had it clink with Marth's fsmash? Sheik's dsmash? Reflect Falco's SHL?
We need to start using that move alot more.
Oh and I'm releasing a tech. skill vid soon.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Hmm... how do you do the "Marth Killer"?
I thought it was just light shielding at the edge, but is there a certain way you need to DI your shield?
I thought it was just light shielding at the edge, but is there a certain way you need to DI your shield?
joeplicate
Smash Master
I thought that there were bugs on my monitor too
for the lightshield, you can just hold it away from the stage. I don't know if holding it down has any other benefits, but I know holding away works.
for the lightshield, you can just hold it away from the stage. I don't know if holding it down has any other benefits, but I know holding away works.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Holding down+away is best. On the off-chance that you've overused your shield during battle and forget that part of your feet aren't covered by it. You could lose an easy edge-guard that way sometimes.
SpaceFalcon
Smash Lord
Just run off and shine marth in the middle of his up+b.
You only have 1 frame to get it, so you better do it right or else marth will hit you and probably gimp you.
Good luck
You only have 1 frame to get it, so you better do it right or else marth will hit you and probably gimp you.
Good luck
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
press down B to win >__<
JRokOO
Smash Cadet
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
RaynEX, is your name pronounced rain-ecks or rain-ee-ecks?
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
It kills floaties at high percents if they're not dead yet at 90ish.
At least Jigglypuff; it also works on Peach.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
rain-ecks.
but people just call me rayn. or x.
okay not X but it sounded cool in my head.
but people just call me rayn. or x.
okay not X but it sounded cool in my head.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I've experienced him firsthand.
I want to try and face him in tourny again. This time I think I'll be alot less nervous.
I want to try and face him in tourny again. This time I think I'll be alot less nervous.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I call you lover.
SpaceFalcon
Smash Lord
It doesn't count during buttsecks.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Question about when you get hit by Fox's usmash. You can only "safely" DI in the direction that he's facing, right? If you try to DI behind him you'll go straight up?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Yep.
d.i. down/away to survive. sdi in that direction for even more of teh survive.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
it hits you roughly 70 deg above the horizontal, so DIing towards him makes it more vertical, away from him more horizontal, and about 20 deg below the horizontal to bend it the most horizontal.
hmm. how much can this really save you though? say if your marth? like i feel no matter hwat, if your over 85% your done.
i know its stage dependent (obviously on YS you're completely screwed as compared to DL64) but like...i dunno i just always thought of FOx's usmash as being...too good to really do anything about
i know its stage dependent (obviously on YS you're completely screwed as compared to DL64) but like...i dunno i just always thought of FOx's usmash as being...too good to really do anything about
SCOTU
Smash Hero
DI can make a pretty **** big difference. It can easily mean the difference between a JV2stock and a loss.
well i know DI in general makes a huge difference. but Fox's upsmash seems so. ridiculously. good.
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Well think about it like this: Would you NOT want to DI?
fair point i guess.
i'm going to shut up now.
i'm going to shut up now.
idea
Smash Master
how much of a difference does it make if you crouch cancel fox's upsmash?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=u99WmKGOGCs
4:06.
that's what it does.
if you mean cc as in crouching during the hit (actually being in the crouch animation during the hit).
when you hold down during an attack animation or something you're just asdiing down which is different.
4:06.
that's what it does.
if you mean cc as in crouching during the hit (actually being in the crouch animation during the hit).
when you hold down during an attack animation or something you're just asdiing down which is different.
Vts
Smash Champion
depends on % if you do it like at low % you don't fly up.
its really nice if they up smash while u cc and tech it and catch them not pay attention
joeplicate
Smash Master
if you CC an upsmash at high %s you just get upaired instead
like at 100%, you probably could've DI'd to survive, you get upaired and die
it's pretty balls
like at 100%, you probably could've DI'd to survive, you get upaired and die
it's pretty balls
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Wait is it different for different chars? Which chars doesn't it work on?
Also, is it important that the last hit is close to the ground (so you'll land asap after they go hit by the last hit of the dair), or is it always possible to combo it into an utilt?
Do you have always have time to turn around and utilt (I know that you loose atleast 1 frame in that), or do you have to land behind them?
AR is to good
sry for so many questions >.< Answer them if you want, id appreciate it
you could also CC + DI away which makes it harder to follow up (or on some stages even impossible)
and it's very hard to hit an Uair with the right momentum so that SDIing out gets impossible.
So Uair usually shouldn't mean your dead.
and it's very hard to hit an Uair with the right momentum so that SDIing out gets impossible.
So Uair usually shouldn't mean your dead.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
SDI the Uair noob.
But seriously, yeah, at some percents it's best to just DI it.
At higher, though, like say 150% they can't reach you with that Uair so then it would be wiser to CC it.
My friend CCed my U-smash at 120% at Jiggs on FoD and almost died off the top but still lived so that would be a good example of where CC is the best option. When it will save you and not put you in too horrible a position to be punished. Clearly my example is inflated (no pun intended) because Puff has multiple jumps, is floaty, and has great aerial mobility so she can get down safely, but it's saved me a lot as Sheik and Peach and even Fox too.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I hear Dair Shine U-tilt / Grab negates the need for this on the majority of the shineable characters in NTSC.
And Dair Shine tech chase Grab (esp vs Puff) negates a lot of the need for this on the not-shineable characters in NTSC.
Dair U-tilt is still good but it's not super necessary or anything, Shine is a safer move generally.
But if you need to force a KO (U-tilt U-air is more likely to work than U-throw U-air on a lot of characters and sometimes U-tilt just KOs on its own) or want to flaunt your super sexual DBR combo power then it's ridiculously awesome.
You can turn around I think. I've got Dair U-tilt to work facing them sometimes in training mode so I think there would be time to squeeze in the one frame (I thought it was 2 but if it's 1 then more power to turn-around I guess). I think in general it would be safer to land behind them as it protects you from SDIs and whatnot but shrug oh well.
And Dair Shine tech chase Grab (esp vs Puff) negates a lot of the need for this on the not-shineable characters in NTSC.
Dair U-tilt is still good but it's not super necessary or anything, Shine is a safer move generally.
But if you need to force a KO (U-tilt U-air is more likely to work than U-throw U-air on a lot of characters and sometimes U-tilt just KOs on its own) or want to flaunt your super sexual DBR combo power then it's ridiculously awesome.
You can turn around I think. I've got Dair U-tilt to work facing them sometimes in training mode so I think there would be time to squeeze in the one frame (I thought it was 2 but if it's 1 then more power to turn-around I guess). I think in general it would be safer to land behind them as it protects you from SDIs and whatnot but shrug oh well.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
When you're getting hit by Fox's upair, my friend told me that at different percentages you should SDI different ways.
So which way should I SDI when I get hit by Fox's uair? Straight up when I'm at like 130% i'm guessing and sideways below 100%?
So which way should I SDI when I get hit by Fox's uair? Straight up when I'm at like 130% i'm guessing and sideways below 100%?
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
Erm, I always thought it would be sideways. Plus, SDI'ing up...
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
sdi in the opposite direction you are d.i.ing in after the uthrow. It isn't dependent on what percent you are at, in the slightest.