Fourth and final community vote about Meta Knight.

[NinjaFoxX]

how about choice ban? let the TO's decide if they wanna ban MK...

SWF server is in america, so free speech for all yay yay...

 

[Falconv1.0]

Soft ban is the stupidest thing ever.

No one was stopping the TO's from deciding herp derp.

 

[Alus]

If this discussion goes on for much longer im going to switch sides and troll...

*and many wont notice because they cant read*

 

[Sosuke]

THE TO'S ALWAYS DECIDE IF THEY BAN MK AT THEIR TOURNAMENTS.

 

[Kewkky]

Hard ban, soft ban... But no one has mentioned Jagged ban!


... Whatever that is.

 

[tocador]

I can almost assure falcon was with 1.800 postsat the beginning of this thread :D.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Kewkky you should come to Americaland where we don't all get ***** from terrible MK's.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

Kewkky you should come to Americaland where we don't all get ***** from terrible MK's.

this coming from someone in cali....who has the most MKs in the reigion
ITS A TRAP I TELL YA!!!

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Shut up Falcon. Most Snake's i've spoken to admit that Snake's recovery is both predictable and punishable. Hence poor. Its as predictable as D3s, but without the invlunerability on the way up.

D3 might have some trouble closing the gap, but once he does and lands that first grab all it takes is a couple rounds of predict and punish with snakes recovery to make up whatever damage he took closing it.

I'm not saying D3 >>>>> Snake, just D3 > Snake. I'd call it 60/40.

Now, if your talking about OFF stage, i do believe D3 definitely does better when it comes to off stage edge guarding. However, most snakes would do well to avoid having to recover low for obvious reasons. And most try their best not to. There are situations where D3 can pummel release snake down and off the stage which is where he can get a good kill on snake in that type of situation. But to come to such a situation, against a good snake ON the platform will be challenging since Snake's ground game and camping game are better than DDD's

 

[Sosuke]

Doesn't PR have very few MKs in their power rankings?

 

[Kewkky]

this coming from someone in cali....who has the most MKs in the reigion
ITS A TRAP I TELL YA!!!

I wanna go to a big tourney at America(land?)!!! Next summer I'm definitely going along with Excel_Zero and other PR players, mark my words. D:

 

[Falconv1.0]

this coming from someone in cali....who has the most MKs in the reigion
ITS A TRAP I TELL YA!!!

And yet we don't ***** about them. We don't make **** up like it's the reason people quit and stuff, if you are a mid level player, you're going to lose, who the **** cares if it's to 2 MK's or 1 Diddy and 1 Snake, or 2 Snakes or 2 Diddys, seriously.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

^aww you just beat me to 2500 posts x.x
@D.E everyone can do that to snake,o.0

 

[etecoon]

And yet we don't ***** about them. We don't make **** up like it's the reason people quit and stuff, if you are a mid level player, you're going to lose, who the **** cares if it's to 2 MK's or 1 Diddy and 1 Snake, or 2 Snakes or 2 Diddys, seriously.

cali doesn't ***** about MK? lolol

 

[Falconv1.0]

cali doesn't ***** about MK? lolol

I don't hear anyone saying half the ****ing players are going to just quit LOL. They get better and they WIN.

 

['V']

*Sigh*

At least this is only for a few more days..

 

[Kewkky]

Doesn't PR have very few MKs in their power rankings?

2 MK mains, one of which always wins the tourneys he attends, the other one lives near me and we play all the time (also takes #3 in local tourneys more often than he doesn't)... And a retired MK main who no one could beat, according to everyone who was there when he was still playing.

 

[Falconv1.0]

http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=2796

OW THE ****

 

[da K.I.D.]

What I will say, is that there is one valid reason to choose a character besides MK...


MK cant 100% guarantee a kill just by connecting with one grab

 

['V']

**** indeed...

 

[AvaricePanda]

http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=2796

OW THE ****

Ban Snake plz.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Also, Mk isn't always the best choice for a certain match up.

Oh no facts, how scary.

 

[Sosuke]

God the horrible points in this thread are too much for me.
So few of you look at the big picture.

*unsubscribes from thread*

 

[Kewkky]

Also, Mk isn't always the best choice for a certain match up.

Oh no facts, how scary.

Why learn different characters for different matchups, when we can learn MK for all matchups?

Oh no playing with facts, scarier.

 

[Tianxiazhai]

Ive been reading a couple hundred pages, and I see that the anti-ban supporters are taking apart specifics from the pro-ban argument and defending them. The problem is that these specific things dont warrant MK a ban, the combination of all the things he has are what makes the pro-ban call him broken, I believe. Just my 2000$

 

[AvaricePanda]

Why learn different characters for different matchups, when we can learn MK for all matchups?

Oh no playing with facts, scarier.

You don't.

You have a main, and one secondary that covers your mains bad match-ups to the best. That might be MK, it might not be (and probably won't be).

But seeing as how the character counterpick system is hardly used at high levels of play, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Hey Kewkky, why not learn to play your ****ing character? Seriously, he's not God, it's the mid/low level players fault for not getting the match up even though it's even or a slight advantage.

 

[Sirami]

Ive been reading a couple hundred pages, and I see that the anti-ban supporters are taking apart specifics from the pro-ban argument and defending them. The problem is that these specific things dont warrant MK a ban, the combination of all the things he has are what makes the pro-ban call him broken, I believe. Just my 2000$

The combination of all those things leads to around a 20% win ratio in tournaments. 20% is good, but that's about where Eddie sits in GGAC. Didn't Fox also have about that win ratio in Melee?

I still think he's good, but not broken. I have a hard time dealing with MK players, but I don't feel that he's broken.

He's easy as **** to chaingrab with, well, anybody that has chaingrabs. Even in a bad matchup, like G&W vs MK, you can stall almost as good as he can, and if you force a good position (G&W under MK for example) you can take the match. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it hard? Yes. Is he broken? Nah. Not without IDC.

 

[Takeover1806]

Mk is not at all far from any of the characters.. Come on now fow beat tyrant & M2k & these are the best meta knights in the nation.. PEOPLE NOT TO MENTION THIS KID USED A CHARACTER CALLED NESS WHICH ALL META KNIGHT HAS TO DO IS DOWN AIR HIM OR FLOAT OVER HIS UP B RECOVER.. Come on people it takes serious skill to beat top characters with mid level or low tiers.

 

[Takeover1806]

2 MK mains, one of which always wins the tourneys he attends, the other one lives near me and we play all the time (also takes #3 in local tourneys more often than he doesn't)... And a retired MK main who no one could beat, according to everyone who was there when he was still playing.

& who is that??
If nobody could beat him his name would be known

 

[etecoon]

how about choice ban? let the TO's decide if they wanna ban MK...

SWF server is in america, so free speech for all yay yay...

pro ban, anti ban, and...pro choice, lmao

 

[SmashChu]

That what i basically said a few days ago on this thread. plus when the hell 4chan raided this website.

/v/ raided the place like 3 times. I'm sure it's on Encyclopedia Dramatica somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

"The Internet, tired of Dylan's ***gotry, decided to go forth and troll failed attempts of witty banter and TOTALLY CORRECT ASSERTIONS out of the pursuit of lulz. On June 26th, 2007, Anonymous paid a visit to SmashBoards.com, making it crash for a brief period. Dylanpasta, Mudkips, and Zippocat were all featured. When interviewed, one poster had this to say. "

 

[1048576]

Why learn different characters for different matchups, when we can learn MK for all matchups?

Oh no playing with facts, scarier.

Quoted for emphasis. Seriously, can anyone answer this or are we going to continue to cover our ears and sing?

 

[RuNNing Riot]

To ban, or not to ban?

If I weigh up all the facts piled up so far and add my own opinion to the mix, I would have to say ban Meta Knight. I haven't had the fortune of ever going to a tournament, and according to some posts very early on in the thread videos are no substitute for experience, but the fact that MK just has so many different options for offence, defence and stalling in his metagame as well as his overall strengths like transcending priority mean I'm going to stick with this decision.

I'm only hoping there won't be TOO much of a fuss if MK is banned after all...

 

[BBQTV]

God the horrible points in this thread are too much for me.
So few of you look at the big picture.

*unsubscribes from thread*

i'll miss this guy.

 

[AvaricePanda]

Quoted for emphasis. Seriously, can anyone answer this or are we going to continue to cover our ears and sing?

You don't.

You have a main, and one secondary that covers your mains bad match-ups to the best. That might be MK, it might not be (and probably won't be).

But seeing as how the character counterpick system is hardly used at high levels of play, it really doesn't matter.

Thanks for reading two posts under what you just quoted.

Edit: Also, as far as learning MK for all even match-ups goes, you still have to actually learn said match-ups just as much as someone with a main/secondary does, maybe even more so as that every character board knows the MK match-up pretty well, while a lot of people don't have an inkling of their Yoshi, PT, Lucas, Samus, Zelda, or other low-tier match-ups are.

You aren't going to get anywhere without learning the actual match-ups in the first place.

 

[fkacyan]

Quoted for emphasis. Seriously, can anyone answer this or are we going to continue to cover our ears and sing?

I'm pretty sure you can learn Jiggs for almost every matchup in Melee, and then Fox for others. Pikachu dominates the cast in 64. Chun / Yun dominate SF, etc. There is always a character that is extremely good against every other character, and it'll always be that way. However, none of the characters listed above are unbeatable, and the same has been proven with MK. All it takes to prove that a character isn't broken is for him to be beaten at high levels of play, and he has.

Stop using this argument and find one that works.

 

[Inui]

Pretty much every S tier in every fighting game can't truly be counterpicked to death. The same goes for Brawl.

Smash players are such babies. It's why nobody can actually turn Smash into a business like every other game is. It's why MLG won't take our game seriously. We suck.

 

[BBQTV]

we are the laughing stock of the game community.

 

['V']

We are the laughing stock of the game community.

Yep.. You pretty much hit it straight on.