Firebird stall vs. Phantasm

[ThreeX]

serious question, is firebird really better? O.o' just curious.



la la la, stalls that is..


everyone knows using falco's up-B as an offensive move is beast, duur.<3

 

[Spife]

I think Scraaaaaa-hogging is better because you're already Link and don't need to continue playing Falco so you can change to Link...
Just my opinions Fact

 

[Big_R]

i would say phantasm if u could pull it off consistantly. but if u do mess up ur dead. but u can mess up firebird stalling and not be invincible and get hit which is usually death for falco.

 

[ThreeX]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. . . the reason why ppl prefer firebird is just because of that fact that it's easier... but I dunno, I can do phantasm pretty easily, occasionally I'll mess up. If it helps anyone, i play claw while doing it.

 

[Eggm]

Done perfectly the firebird stall is 100% invincible and the phantasm stall is not.

 

[UberBlackCleric]

It's true.
I've done it.

MattDotSoldier

 

[Falco (MOP)]

Firebird is better. For firebird its something crazy like 10 frames, whereas the phantasm stalls, you have 3 frames to move left to right / right to left. I'd suggest Firebird. One more thing, does the phantasm stall spike?

-- The Mop

 

[ThreeX]

^ of course, it's sick when you phantasm stall, and they're recovering.. right into your phantasm, but sometimes they'll grab the ledge before you do, and the sexy blue bird goes bye-bye

 

[Vro]

One more thing, does the phantasm stall spike?

Yes.

As far as the stall goes, Eggm's right. Phantasm is flashier but you're not invincible the whole time. That being said, you can also get edgehogged during phantasm and be unable to grab the ledge, while you can still make it back to the stage with firebird.

 

[3GOD]

Done perfectly the firebird stall is 100% invincible and the phantasm stall is not.

Actually, both are 100% invincible if done correctly (but both are difficult to get 100% invincibility) - I just tested it in AR myself.

 

[L__]

Firebird is better. For firebird its something crazy like 10 frames, whereas the phantasm stalls, you have 3 frames to move left to right / right to left. I'd suggest Firebird. One more thing, does the phantasm stall spike?

-- The Mop

Don't be stupid. When you phantom stall you have 10 frames for error, in which firestalling depends on if you fast fall, how fast you fast fall, how far you push away, if you jump, and several other variables.


da1 chipmnk (6:09:12 PM): could i ask a question about phantom stalling?
OOVideoGameGodOO (6:17:29 PM): you have 10 frames room for error
OOVideoGameGodOO (6:17:31 PM): it's easy
OOVideoGameGodOO (6:17:34 PM): just get used to it

yeah.

 

[ThreeX]

erm, no being harsh, plz.. but, ty.. hah, i'm a lil confused... bout to make a quick vid, to see if mah phantasm is seck-z or not ;[

 

[Falcinho]

lol, it's still meteorcancelable, upB is much more useful

 

[soap]

is the shine-> upb stall completely invincible, cuz i get hit out of it alot

 

[Vro]

I don't think it is.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

How many frames of invincibility do you get from the ledge anyway?

 

[ThreeX]

It's about... over 9000

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

How many frames of invincibility do you get from the ledge anyway?

Exactly 30.

 

[Metà]

Phantasm stall does NOT have a 10 frame window. I've tested this many times in frame advance and you have exactly 3. That sh*t's hard, yo.

 

[soap]

i think m2k was talking about the firebird

 

[lordoftheasians]

Firebird stall is pretty easy. I can't do phantasm stall at all. Any tips would be great. :D

 

[Miharu]

Firebird stall is pretty easy. I can't do phantasm stall at all. Any tips would be great. :D

Use the c-stick to drop, then input the command for phantasm immediately afterwards.

 

[Leech]

I'd say up b but thats because its easier for me to do.. i have never tried with illusion.