Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Whites are FAR from useless.
Damage per latch: 6%
Pummel Damage: 3-4%
Secksay.
Damage per latch: 6%
Pummel Damage: 3-4%
Secksay.
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Pummels Red Yellow Blue White Purple Rank Order
1 11% 13% 17% 11% 13% [COLOR="Blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple [/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]/White
2 12% 14% 18% 14% 14% [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple [/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/White> [COLOR="red"]Red [/COLOR]
3 14% 16% 20% 18% 16% [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> White > [COLOR="purple"]Purple [/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
4 15% 17% 21% 20% 17% [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> White > [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
5 17% 19% 23% 23% 19% [COLOR="blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/White > [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
6 18% 20% 24% 26% 20% White > [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
7 19% 21% 25% 28% 21% White > [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
8 20% 22% 26% 30% 22% White > [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
9 21% 23% 27% 32% 23% White > [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]
10 22% 24% 28% 34% 24% White > [COLOR="blue"]Blue [/COLOR]> [COLOR="purple"]Purple[/COLOR]/[COLOR="yellow"]Yellow [/COLOR]> [COLOR="red"]Red[/COLOR]
Ok, thank you for the advice.1. Just play normally unless it's purple or white until you get a bit better.
2. Toss the white or grab. When you grab, do jabs till the enemy escapes.
4. I'd say go with Battlefield. My personal is Yoshi's. Counterpick? Depends. I'd go with Halbred.
5. Olimar can beat anyone.
6. Out of the two? I only use red in teams and have the nametag "Disco" for it. I usually get my partner to be "Fever".
EDIT: A lot.
MYEDIT:: I don't believe Duplex was the first Unolimar.
Maybe the first one to post about it?
Perhaps useless was too strong a word. But whites really have only one use. Go for the grab with them or do latch damage.Whites are FAR from useless.
Damage per latch: 6%
Pummel Damage: 3-4%
Secksay.
Tether canceling has very few uses, all of which arent that effective, and are extremely situational to the point to where it wouldn't be used. To be honest, I've never seen a video where an olimar uses tether canceling, although I randomly throw it into my game in an attempt to throw my opponent off. (plus it's hella flashy =D)Many Olimars use this tech but not all of the time for many obvious reasons, its like something you use when you're trying to think of an approach or mindgame your opponent into attacking too early so that you could punish them.
While you are right about it being ineffective, having a few uses, and it being situational....it is something you should consider learning...to an extent that is. I myself don't use it much because I tend to have bad luck, but its still something you should know about even if it has those drawbacks.Tether canceling has very few uses, all of which arent that effective, and are extremely situational to the point to where it wouldn't be used. To be honest, I've never seen a video where an olimar uses tether canceling, although I randomly throw it into my game in an attempt to throw my opponent off. (plus it's hella flashy =D)
But in all honesty, it's not a necessity to learn. Neither is it really worth it.
lolwut?But whites really have only one use. Go for the grab with them or do latch damage.
1. It's up to you. I use it just for fun... in tournament match I would only do it if I knew I weren't going to get screwed for it.A few more questions,
1. Is tether ledge canceling worth learning and using? It seems useful for more edge options, but do most Olimars actually use it?
2. Are there any really useful ATs that I must learn and implement into my game?
3. Olimar doesn't have grab armor. Exactly what does this mean and what are the disadvantages to not having grab armor?
4. Any notable Olimars in Florida? I would like to get some teaching from them if there are any.
Hehe, crazy things happen when I'm tired ^^;Fino, gtfo with your font. It's not even the fact that I have to highlight it to read it that I don't like...it's just...you've changed. Your avatar, your font...baby, why?
Also, still 10th place on the tier list mutha****as. I think that's a nice, round number.
No U Fino, I love Haruhi more
Hehe, crazy things happen when I'm tired ^^;
Anyways, I was hoping for olimar to move up 7 spots again =-/ Oh well...
~Fino
Tether canceling has very few uses, all of which arent that effective, and are extremely situational to the point to where it wouldn't be used. To be honest, I've never seen a video where an olimar uses tether canceling, although I randomly throw it into my game in an attempt to throw my opponent off. (plus it's hella flashy =D)
But in all honesty, it's not a necessity to learn. Neither is it really worth it.
edit: To your other questions:
ATs - There really isnt an AT that is necessary to olimar's game. People like Gonta and Fino are known to use pluck canceling well, although it's not a staple. You'd do fine with or without it, tbh.
Florida Olimars - I think Fearless still plays brawl... He's the only olimar that comes to mind from that region.
Best Olimar in Florida is probably KBM, but i'm not sure if HR_Nut still plays. If you ever see him tell him .com wants him to play Olimar for you.
Umm only thing you really need to worry about is inter grating whistle, at least somewhat into your game. It's a life saver, other than that improve yourself, and learn to read people.
Thank you.
lolwut?
1. It's up to you. I use it just for fun... in tournament match I would only do it if I knew I weren't going to get screwed for it.
2. No, brawl doesn't have any AT's at all
3. You get knock out of grabs during your grab animation. You ever notice if you fsmash and someone grabs you, they are still grabbing you as your fsmash goes through them. This is known as "faux super armor" or... was the last time I checked the AT thread. However, not having grab armor means that the attack will knock you out of your grab animation.
4. Ummm... doesn't hai i'm fearless live in florida? Smash your mom is almost a highly self proclaimed good olimar, though he has never been to a single tournament. i THINK KBM lives there.... also a couple more that I've seen pop up on youtube, but none that really catch my attention / have made some noise.
~Fino
No, the match-up OP is severely outdated and sucks, never go there for match-up data. Instead ask questions when you have them in the match-up thread.Question: Is the match-up thread outdated... is it a good spot to get good info on current metagame?
~Fino
MYEDIT:: I don't believe Duplex was the first Unolimar.
Maybe the first one to post about it?
But with two Pikmin and if the purple is needed you would need to pluck all the same. In that case I understand the advantage of two Pikmin is that your other Pikmin might be the purple. Then I suppose the advantage of six is that there is a greater possibilty of the Pikmin you need without plucking, instead you have to deal with line management instead. But when you need a Pikmin urgently you either pluck or manage your line, both take time. I suppose players have to choose between leaving to pluck statistics or some rapid line management. In any case a good Oli will find a suitable compromise. Sorry if this didn't quite answer the question, got lost in thought.Then you have the problem of lack of variety. What if you need a Purple but just can't seem to pluck one? This is the one fallback to having 1-2 pikmin. You lack variety.
Yup, I gotta agree with you there but I can't say I agree yet with the combo chains, mainly because I'm not too aware of Pikmin related combos. Could you give me an example please? Although not a major point 2 Pikmin dsmashes can be done, you can pluck cancel a down smash. Can catch some people of guard and gives me a small choice to which Pikmin to keep.This can also be done with 2 pikmin just as easily, and I get additional bonuses such as 2 sided dsmashes and combo chains that REQUIRE 2 pikmin because 1 is to slow.
Yup, I absolutely agree with you.However when to far to recover, you have no stage-spike option and if you don't have a purple you aren't knocking your opponent off that ledge. At least with 2 I have 1 more pikmin that may be a Purple to knock them off.
Sorry, I even distinctly remember even looking at the name twice because I had orginally typed Sasa. I must of been low on Tea. Third time the charm SuSa.SuSa, not Susu.
Yup, I agree there too. I don't get much chance to fight many snakes, I would probably use my lone Pikmin for latch damage and whenever opportunity presented itself pluck cancel smashes then discard the less useful. That might be cheating a wee bit, but if I found the snake not so tricky then I would probably make full use of Wairs , returning the latched Pikmin, asorbing snakes blows and preparing myself for other attacks. I'm just a big fan of the ol' whistle.Wait until you just get OUTSPACED by someone like Snake. Utilt/ftilt ***** every single approach a solo Olimar has. He can easily knock off that single latched pikmin, and you'd have to PC to defend yourself. Having 2, I can latch with 1 and still defend myself/grab with the other. Yet another advantage of having 2 over 1. Since I can still rely on standard attacks.
Hmm... how about Use-all-the-pikmin-and-you'll-do-better-imar?Also one final question to everybody. What sounds better to you? Unolimar or Unomar? Or any name suggesting one Pikmin?
Quit trolling, siximar? Who would ever use such a blasphemous thing?!!?!?Hmm... how about Use-all-the-pikmin-and-you'll-do-better-imar?
Which is what I said.And Duplex, I'm almost certain that you were indeed the first, to at least coin the term.
How about... whatever Fino, dynne, blackwaltz, zori, and skank say is true (did I miss someone)?Right, I was agreeing with you waltz. <3
Where in NJ?I've been using oli for a year now. I'm going to start offline this summer, I'm just wondering if it's worth it to main olimar and enter tournies singularly as him since I noticed his offline records aren't exactly the best compared to other characters.
I know my chances will obviously increase if I main a higher tier character though I'm just making sure I'm not wasting my time with oli and if I should enter/train with an alt if I'm actually looking to win money.
I live in NJ if that helps. The mk state lol so you see why I'm worried.