Fighting Game Discussion

[LivewiresXe]

@Jam
I wouldn't put so much blame on the developers as much as I would the FGC. I think the community has a sheep like mentality at times with games. They feel the need to be in the loop with every new game that comes out so they play it for a while only to go onto the next one when they should just play the games they like and not worry about being in the loop for this or that game. Thankfully, I realized this after KOF. I mean, I can still watch KOF matches without playing it after all, same with Marvel.

Oh I agree for sure. KOFXIII is a game I have so much respect for and I don't think it was until Fall 2011 that I really truly started to understand how committed its community was and what they were capable of. I mean, that's a community that has been growing not only since 1994, but since 1992 and 1993 when it was Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting. I could watch KOFXIII matches all day, but I know enough about the game to know that as much fun as I have the times I play it, it's NOT the game for me and likely never will be.

Granted I could watch Marvel matches and Tekken Tag 2 matches for a while too, but I've never felt the urge to pick up Marvel, and Tekken Tag is the new thing. With stuff like AE though, it depends on the people playing and stuff because really, there are times when I can watch Alpha 3 and CVS2 matches more than AE matches.

I will agree there's a bit of a sheep mentality in that people will want to play what gets put at EVO and what the "top players play". It's relatively hard for a game to get a scene going, especially if it has the unfair stigma of being an "anime game" (Montreal actually uses the term "Air Dashers" to refer to them instead), which the Street Fighter and Marvel elitists will shun. People don't want to be in that group that's shunned or 'looked down on', and people become afraid of being the only person playing a certain game. While I've off and on come to have close experiences with that due to my recent getting into AE, that's never going to be my main game over say, Blazblue. I've just always felt being open and having a couple of different games to be fine.

Or...it could just be my "Why do we think we need to hate a game? I don't see the point." mindset. I mean hell, I'd be hard pressed to even name a fighting game that I've ever flat out hated.

 

[Lythium]

The reason I used Skullgirls as an example was probably because I was personally frustrated by how the patching of it was handled. Basically, it was like, you spent two weeks learning all your BnBs? Great, let's change IPS, so you can re-learn everything all over again. And I was like, nah.

Also, some games (even though I really like them!) just aren't worth keeping up with for me. For example, I really like Melty Blood. But there's absolutely no scene, and I can't be bothered to learn it, just so I can play online. And then there are games like KoF that I really respect, but I can't get into. I already play quite a few games as it is, so I'm trying to be choosier with what I pick up these days.

 

[Rutger]

I have to disagree with Rutger; it seems like people really do only play one game, and despite all of the releases since 2009, the only ones that consistently bring in crowds are SF4 and MvC3. It's impossible to build any other communities when the herd is always moving on.

No, I would agree that many people will unfortunately play only one game.

I just don't think P4U will die out right away when the new GG or BB come out.

I am concerned about Darkstalkers though, I want to try out the Resurrection so I will regardless, but it seems all the other Capcom re-releases did not last long. DS4 I have no idea about, assuming it isn't a mess like SFxT then the Capcom name might be enough, but I really don't know.

 

[Big-Cat]

Granted I could watch Marvel matches and Tekken Tag 2 matches for a while too, but I've never felt the urge to pick up Marvel, and Tekken Tag is the new thing. With stuff like AE though, it depends on the people playing and stuff because really, there are times when I can watch Alpha 3 and CVS2 matches more than AE matches.

At least for me, I've come to genuinely love Tekken and Virtua Fighter (though no one around here plays that) so I don't feel like I'm pulling the sheep mentality.

I will agree there's a bit of a sheep mentality in that people will want to play what gets put at EVO and what the "top players play". It's relatively hard for a game to get a scene going, especially if it has the unfair stigma of being an "anime game" (Montreal actually uses the term "Air Dashers" to refer to them instead), which the Street Fighter and Marvel elitists will shun. People don't want to be in that group that's shunned or 'looked down on', and people become afraid of being the only person playing a certain game. While I've off and on come to have close experiences with that due to my recent getting into AE, that's never going to be my main game over say, Blazblue. I've just always felt being open and having a couple of different games to be fine.

I think it's more close mindedness. With anime fighters, there is a large hatedom for anime, which is extremely ironic considering most fighting games have some anime influence to them minus MK, which I think is lame as hell, but not for that.

The reason I used Skullgirls as an example was probably because I was personally frustrated by how the patching of it was handled. Basically, it was like, you spent two weeks learning all your BnBs? Great, let's change IPS, so you can re-learn everything all over again. And I was like, nah.

Also, some games (even though I really like them!) just aren't worth keeping up with for me. For example, I really like Melty Blood. But there's absolutely no scene, and I can't be bothered to learn it, just so I can play online. And then there are games like KoF that I really respect, but I can't get into. I already play quite a few games as it is, so I'm trying to be choosier with what I pick up these days.

I think the Skullgirls thing is truly the developer's fault. The IPS is going back to what it was prior to the last minute change to it, IIRC when they should've just stuck with it to see what's going to happen

And as I mentioned earlier, I like Virtua Fighter, but it'll be a cold day in hell before my local scene even touches it and I can't use it much then other then as a reference with Eileen's fighting style.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I have to admit I've always felt kinda bad for the Virtua Fighter people. Like, those games are completely legit and really well made, but...unless you completely understand everything that's going on they're not that fun to watch. So kind of as a result, they'll never be like...Street Fighter popular.

 

[Teczer0]

I love stream monsters hahahahaha what is this

 

[Big-Cat]

Holy ****tards King is gonna get buffed big time in the upcoming SFxTK patch. Either "GOD BLESS THE KING!" or "Look out Sagat, the real King is here." would apply.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Holy ****tards King is gonna get buffed big time in the upcoming SFxTK patch. Either "GOD BLESS THE KING!" or "Look out Sagat, the real King is here." would apply.

I don't play SFxT, or hell even really have TTT2 to play much, but King buffs make me smile. Sure he's complicated as hell to play in Tekken games with his "throw that can only be a counter after 8 low kicks" and his throw to throw to throw links, but I always got the impression (I don't know Tekken tiers except that like, Bob was high tier in 6 apparently) that he and Armor King were low tier and that it was kinda unfairly so.

 

[Minato]

So it looks like Capcom made a mistake. If you go onto PSN store, add-ons, SFXT, and then grab packs, you can get the SF and TK one for free.
Do it now before they take it off.

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't play SFxT, or hell even really have TTT2 to play much, but King buffs make me smile. Sure he's complicated as hell to play in Tekken games with his "throw that can only be a counter after 8 low kicks" and his throw to throw to throw links, but I always got the impression (I don't know Tekken tiers except that like, Bob was high tier in 6 apparently) that he and Armor King were low tier and that it was kinda unfairly so.

Well, in Tekken, despite there being tiers, doesn't matter that much in the long run. That being said, the more straightforward characters tend to be at the top most of the time. Right now, TTT2's top tiers are the Mishimas and Lars. Meanwhile, my characters are C tier at best, but they're not straightforward in the slightest so there may be that.

 

[Atlus8]

So, how is Guilty Gear looking for you XBOX users?!

 

[Minato]

I heard the lag was playable. Not too bad either if it's within the state. Here's a stream going right now http://www.twitch.tv/brokentiertv
Almost tempted to get the XBL version too, but I don't know who I'd play with.

 

[Rutger]

Interesting that it is now rated M.


Almost makes me want a 360, guess I'll be on my PS2 for a few weeks. :/

 

[Big-Cat]

Yeah, I was surprised to see an M rating. I'm looking at Bridget and Slayer, but I don't want to get serious with it until the patch comes out.

 

[choknater]

canada cup is so hype

 

[LivewiresXe]

canada cup is so hype

I know. Good showing by Joker and Bee for sure.

 

[Teczer0]

All I know is team Japan is so stacked.

Pretty hyped for the team tourney thats going on right now.

 

[LivewiresXe]

My Canadian pride hurts. It feels as if it has been beaten over he head with a hammer. A Team Japan vs Team Southeast Asia Grand Finals would be amazing.

 

[Lythium]

Canada was so free. :I

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Watching stream still?

OH CANADA. Bee made Knives freeeeee in MMs. The full anthem was sung with Noel, lmao.

 

[Serris]

I just found the highest-damaging Chun-Li BnB... in Street Fighter X Tekken. I hate how I'm only good at the games no one cares about.

 

[Jam Stunna]

I kind of care...it's just that there's very little incentive to do anything other than jab into boost combos.

 

[Serris]

True. I tried linking Senretsukyaku after that last close HK before HK Hazanshu. 463 damage. Linking Cr.LP > MP > Cl.HP > Senretsukyaku does 493.

 

[Jam Stunna]

It's still an awesome combo. I play Juri/Chun, so if I ever manage to land it I'll be sure to credit you!

 

[Big-Cat]

I kind of care...it's just that there's very little incentive to do anything other than jab into boost combos.

That's going to be changed come with the patch. You'll probably still have that being used, but them being much more unsafe is going to reduce use.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Alright, I'm terrible with frame data, but does this:

Elena: Jump - Total frames for jump decreased from 41F->38F

mean that Elena's jump is going to be slightly lower or quicker?

Because Elena's moon jump on SFxT is annoying as anything.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's going to be quicker, but it doesn't look like the jump's height will change.

 

[Lythium]

I'm off to a tournament today! Here's the stream, if you guys want to tune in: http://www.twitch.tv/ralstoninstall

Schedule (all times are EST):
TTT2 (11:00am to 1:00pm)
3S (1:00pm to 3:00pm)
P4A (3:00pm to 5:00pm)
AE 2012 (5:00pm to 7:30pm)
UMvC3 (7:30pm to 10:00pm)

Finals, MMs, and team battles will be tomorrow. :3c

 

[Teczer0]

Good luck lythium!

I'm going to a melee tourney myself so I'm not sure how much of a chance ill get to watch the stream but ill try.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I'm off to a tournament today! Here's the stream, if you guys want to tune in: http://www.twitch.tv/ralstoninstall

Schedule (all times are EST):
TTT2 (11:00am to 1:00pm)
3S (1:00pm to 3:00pm)
P4A (3:00pm to 5:00pm)
AE 2012 (5:00pm to 7:30pm)
UMvC3 (7:30pm to 10:00pm)

Finals, MMs, and team battles will be tomorrow. :3c

Good luck Lythi, kick some arse for us!

 

[Lythium]

Thanks, guys! :3c

I'll try my best.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Just, like you say, believe in the us that believes in you, lol.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Atlus Fighting Championship, Guilty Madness and RoM 5 streams all today. So much goodness

 

[LivewiresXe]

Atlus Fighting Championship, Guilty Madness and RoM 5 streams all today. So much goodness

Yeah, I know. I'm gonna be on here longer than I really should be for sure.

 

[Teczer0]

I'm in top I think 64 at RoM yaaaaay :3

 

[LivewiresXe]

I'm in top I think 64 at RoM yaaaaay :3

Nice, good job. I wish I could watch like 4 streams at once, lol.

 

[Teczer0]

Just curious if anyone else is planning on watching the SF25th anniversary finals.

http://www.twitch.tv/capcomfighters

 

[Jam Stunna]

I'm watching, it's been pretty awesome so far.

 

[Teczer0]

Wow Japan blew everyone up in 3S pretty bad haha.

Expected but jeez.

Also mester :<

 

[LivewiresXe]

Poor Floe, he came so close. And WTF at Dieminioon? How did THAT happen?