~~ Falco General Discussion ~~

[Stafy]

Okay, so I discovered this, but I'm not sure if this is already known already so I'll just post:

If you short hop and use a laser while landing, you can move to any tilt or smash. aerials can work too, but aren't that great.

Just wanted to know if this is really old or somewhat new (or to anyone who didn't know this to know it)

 

[pure_awesome]

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I'm sorry, I'm usually a pretty nice guy. I just... whooooooooooooo.



Yes, it's known, but thank you for sharing information with the community. Falco receives no lag (usually) for landing during his Lasers, and can thus perform any action afterwards.



EDIT: There's very few good Falcos. The fact that Ozz mains Falco and is at least somewhat competent automatically boosts him to like, top 5. I mean, who's above him? DEHF, Kismet, SK92... D1? I haven't seen D1 play that much... I heard Sethlon started playing Falco again, I don't know. Ozz is up there. Whether that says more about his personal level of skill or the big lack of Falcos is really a matter of opinion.

 

[Denzi]

EDIT: There's very few good Falcos. The fact that Ozz mains Falco and is at least somewhat competent automatically boosts him to like, top 5. I mean, who's above him? DEHF, Kismet, SK92... D1? I haven't seen D1 play that much... I heard Sethlon started playing Falco again, I don't know. Ozz is up there. Whether that says more about his personal level of skill or the big lack of Falcos is really a matter of opinion.

lol.

And yeah, very few. Kinda depressing.

 

[Hawks go Caw]

Ozz says he doesn't main Falco anymore so he don't count

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Okay, so I discovered this, but I'm not sure if this is already known already so I'll just post:

If you short hop and use a laser while landing, you can move to any tilt or smash. aerials can work too, but aren't that great.

Just wanted to know if this is really old or somewhat new (or to anyone who didn't know this to know it)

Like Pure said, that effect has already been discovered long ago and makes up a core part of Falco's gameplay. It's been applied to 2 techs. SHL (Short Hop Laser) and SHDL (Short Hop Laser). Since the laser lands with no lag (silent laser; means no sound game out) it can lead into just about any attack and makes it a great method for approaches and defence against other characters.

I'd recommend taking a look at the stickies. Mostly the one that leads to all other threads. It'll give you a good look at what we have already discovered and the full capabilities that Falco has. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=166854

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My god... awesome. Awesome. Haha...

I'm sorry, I'm usually a pretty nice guy. I just... whooooooooooooo.

Pure, I have just lost all respect for you because of what is in the quote above. Your so mean. *sarcasm*

 

[Stafy]

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My god... awesome. Awesome. Haha...

I'm sorry, I'm usually a pretty nice guy. I just... whooooooooooooo.



Yes, it's known, but thank you for sharing information with the community. Falco receives no lag (usually) for landing during his Lasers, and can thus perform any action afterwards.

it's cool

Can lasers cancel aerials as well (like dair to laser so you get no landing lag/ just want to shoot a laser everytime you land? Link has a similar effect).

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Ozz says he doesn't main Falco anymore so he don't count

this is 5 years ago


no but seriously i was in that phase for maybe a week, after WHOBO

 

[BleachigoZX]

I seriously need to get some vids of myself. I don't feel like I deserve the FBR position without Videos...

I'm going Video Uploader hunting, see you alo next season!

 

[§witch]

wanna give me back my falco broom access?
I was gone for what? like 1 month?
come on

Secon ded.

 

[clowsui]

i have no vids to upload
i played a seven minute game vs an mk today, he didn't camp + this was game 3
i charged fsmash at the ledge as a habit, i held it for too long
he jumped up and naired me
i was at 143 he was at 123, i had a fresh usmash.
FML

 

[BleachigoZX]

I have something worse Versus ADHD so STFU!

 

[gunterrsmash01]

So me and ozz were talkin today and he told me..........


Tupacalypse568 (3:34:10 PM): im 4th best falco in world
Tupacalypse568 (3:34:11 PM): gtfo
Xyro77 (3:34:14 PM): lol
Xyro77 (3:34:16 PM): ROFL
Xyro77 (3:34:17 PM): OMG

be this true?

uh wow you obviously made that up lawl i never said that

I never really brag about myself and don't like being cocky, I just let people form opinions about me based off results etc, lol

Spoiler

though ultimaterazer did say i am better than D1 after he played him at apex >.>

wanna give me back my falco broom access?
I was gone for what? like 1 month?
come on

you never really contributed + no results
you aren't very active on these boards.

 

[Denzi]

I seriously need to get some vids of myself. I don't feel like I deserve the FBR position without Videos...

I'm going Video Uploader hunting, see you alo next season!

I've never had any vids either, and I'm not even that great a player. I just know what I'm talking about.

 

[Jon?]

Speaking of videos uploaded. I finally got a video of my Falco in some singles action. Let me know what you guys think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwsO4OhpEio&feature=channel_page

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Speaking of videos uploaded. I finally got a video of my Falco in some singles action. Let me know what you guys think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwsO4OhpEio&feature=channel_page

Wow, nice match!
You're a great falco, better then me at least (don't trust my vids though )

At first you kinda got outmatched in close range game, but you eventually decided to keep him away from there, and that turned out for the better.

A few things I think
- No SHDL when he's too close and approaching from the ground, he can punish you badly for it
- More jabs
- Ftilt is a great spacing move
- A little less Fsmash, it's a hard move to use correctly in my opinion.

Overall good Falco, keep going!

 

[Beetle Juice]

Speaking of videos uploaded. I finally got a video of my Falco in some singles action. Let me know what you guys think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwsO4OhpEio&feature=channel_page

At the beggining you desparately tried to grab which is why mk racked up so much damage on you (even though he couldn't kill you because his D-smash was so stale) try to mix it up with tilts and jabs. Ok there was also times where you should of phantasm away to reset your spacing, like when mk was above you dair'ing you, these moments you have to avoid at all cause, normally mks would dair poke your shield twice then tornado you. What you did when you took his 2nd stock is a good example of avoiding those kinda situatuations, lasers are great vs mk since his arial mobility is pretty slow so its hard for them to avoid. I don't know what you say about the recovering because I'm not sure if you did a good job on recovering or he didn't good a good job at gimping since falcos choices are a one way track. That's all I am gonna imma let everyone else state whatever I didn't (I like to critique mistake because people can learn to overcome them and improve) and other than that good job.

In an unrelated note lol
I was thinking of a new way to chaingrab stagespike:
chaingrab to the edge of the stage>pummel>opponent falls>falco falls>bair under stage (fd under lip)>2nd hop uair
Any thoughts?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

In an unrelated note lol
I was thinking of a new way to chaingrab stagespike:
chaingrab to the edge of the stage>pummel>opponent falls>falco falls>bair under stage (fd under lip)>2nd hop uair
Any thoughts?

You'd probably dig your own grave

 

[Hawks go Caw]

I've been getting quite a bit of Uair kills from them hanging on the ledge too long lately. But they have to be at percentages higher than right after the CG, otherwise the stage spike won't be strong enough and they can gimp you (that's happened a lot too).

 

[Beetle Juice]

I've been getting quite a bit of Uair kills from them hanging on the ledge too long lately. But they have to be at percentages higher than right after the CG, otherwise the stage spike won't be strong enough and they can gimp you (that's happened a lot too).

Yea but I'm thinking it'll be quite different imo. The point of bair is to place the opponent under the stage, let's say smashville, while uair has more a pretty good knockback and attempting to do it under the stage will stagespike the opponent downwards. It should still be managable to make it back safely since the top corners of uair are the sweet spots (if I remember right lol) simply just do a uair and DI towards to ledges so that way you can firebird back.

Oh yea by the time your done withe the chaingrab the opponent should be at mid percents or so.

 

[Denzi]

Yea but I'm thinking it'll be quite different imo. The point of bair is to place the opponent under the stage, let's say smashville, while uair has more a pretty good knockback and attempting to do it under the stage will stagespike the opponent downwards. It should still be managable to make it back safely since the top corners of uair are the sweet spots (if I remember right lol) simply just do a uair and DI towards to ledges so that way you can firebird back.

Oh yea by the time your done withe the chaingrab the opponent should be at mid percents or so.

I was actually asking about our options out of a ground release a couple of days ago. pure_awesome said he'd look into it, but for now we aren't entirely sure if anything's guaranteed.

 

[Beetle Juice]

Yea I guess you're right I was only able to get a dair out of a ground release but I think it will only be useful if its unexpeceted(which it obviosly will) and your at a stock lead.

 

[Denzi]

Yea I guess you're right I was only able to get a dair out of a ground release but I think it will only be useful if its unexpeceted(which it obviosly will) and your at a stock lead.

Was it a non-FF'd Dair or a regular, fast fall Dair? The slow fall one would let us live, but I don't know if it'd be fast enough to hit them.

 

[Beetle Juice]

If its slightly pressed downward you won't fastfall but I fastfalled it though I haven't tested it without it =p

 

[Denzi]

If its slightly pressed downward you won't fastfall but I fastfalled it though I haven't tested it without it =p

I know how to not fast fall it, I was just wondering which you did.

You should check into the non-FF'd one to see if it works though, good stuff if it does.

 

[BleachigoZX]

I've never had any vids either, and I'm not even that great a player. I just know what I'm talking about.

The thing is I know I am good and I want to be recognized for having a good Falco, I don't want to to play this game and not get anything accomplished. Therefor I've been trying to get videos of myself in tourney but I always forget and I rarely go.

I should be attending a tournament in about 2 weeks so if anything I'll most likely have something up by then.

In an unrelated note lol
I was thinking of a new way to chaingrab stagespike:
chaingrab to the edge of the stage>pummel>opponent falls>falco falls>bair under stage (fd under lip)>2nd hop uair
Any thoughts?

It sounds like it takes too long and you never want to challenge someone under stage with Falco, he sucks at that.

 

[Beetle Juice]

I know how to not fast fall it, I was just wondering which you did.

You should check into the non-FF'd one to see if it works though, good stuff if it does.

Yea its possible but its hard when you're dashing off stage just to then slightly hold the the joy stick down. It won't work on big characters like Dk or bowser since the can grab the ledge after the pummel.

I was playing against my friends mk and I've manage to gimp my friends shuttle loops when the are approaching from below (not under) the stage. I've caught his mk from the top back both times, the first time with bair and he go stagespiked, the second was a dair spike. I received no knockback what so ever and I'm going to try to gimp mk more and look for that opening again XD

 

[Xaltis]

New Falco tech just invented by me and tommy G XD

 

[Beetle Juice]

I've tested the pummel on mk and we know at most cases he can't do nothing in grab release for a certain period of time, when it seens when I chaingrab to pummel by the ledge he is placed under you (when you fall) into a spike zone and he is somewhat stunned for a short period of time and cannot DI out of it (like when wario's is grab release for example). The only problem is getting use to non-fastfalling the dair that way falco can survive. Falcos grab release may have a delay but it can be buffered for a good spike offstage.

 

[pure_awesome]

To do an easy run-off non-fastfalled Dair...

1. Run towards the edge.
2. Rotate your control stick so that it's at a 45 degree angle between the edge and the ground (Down and Right or Down and Left.)
3. Run off.
4. C-Stick Dair.

The game reads the control stick as inputting down despite the fact that you're still running, so since the C-stick can't give an input that's already being given, it doesn't auto-fastfall.

Anyway, I've looked into it and it really doesn't seem like Falco can do anything guaranteed out of grab release. I would say it's a good mixup but I really don't see what you could do out of grab release that you couldn't do, better, out of Dthrow. I'll keep looking into it, but I doubt anything will come up.

 

[Beetle Juice]

To do an easy run-off non-fastfalled Dair...

1. Run towards the edge.
2. Rotate your control stick so that it's at a 45 degree angle between the edge and the ground (Down and Right or Down and Left.)
3. Run off.
4. C-Stick Dair.

The game reads the control stick as inputting down despite the fact that you're still running, so since the C-stick can't give an input that's already being given, it doesn't auto-fastfall.

Anyway, I've looked into it and it really doesn't seem like Falco can do anything guaranteed out of grab release. I would say it's a good mixup but I really don't see what you could do out of grab release that you couldn't do, better, out of Dthrow. I'll keep looking into it, but I doubt anything will come up.

If you input C-stick you may FF because it has to be slightly pressed as well. Trying to grab really spike off the stage would be better than chaingrab because you can avoid your opponent teching the spike and get a stock off. Falcos grab release does have a slight delay, but it would be preferable to test it out and see whether or or it is inescapable or not by using mk & wario who fall subsjects to on by most characters.

 

[pure_awesome]

No, you won't fastfall. If you fastfall with the method I just gave, you did it wrong. You can slam the c-stick as hard as you want.

 

[Beetle Juice]

No, you won't fastfall. If you fastfall with the method I just gave, you did it wrong. You can slam the c-stick as hard as you want.

I put faith into your awesomeness and see

 

[AvoiD]

Wings and Brew IV

Singles Bracket:
1: Keitaro ($110) (Falco)
2: Quivo ($51) (Toon Link)
3: AlphaZealot ($32) (Diddy Kong)
4: Z ($18) (Meta Knight)
5: Crunch ($9) (Wario)
5: Argent ($9) (Lucario)
7: IThrowThings (Sonic)
7: Wakka (Diddy Kong)
9: BallistaBoy
9: Mr. E
9: Mars
9: King Yoshi
13: Moose
13: Champ
13: Keist
13: Sil

Keitaro's coming back lul. Good stuff.

 

[Emperor Time]

O LAWD. Yes! 1st place

Good ****!

 

[Beetle Juice]

I'm surprise it was only one mk on top lol

 

[Emperor Time]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/smashking92

SK is playing right now.

 

[pure_awesome]

DEHF on now.

WATCH.

 

[Zesty_Chicken]

DEHF beat MikeHaze 2-1

losing to havok's marth 0-1

nnnnnuuuuuuuuuuu

DEHF lost 2-0 to havok T_T


Get some of that purple drink SK92

 

[Jon?]

Just in.

SK92 and DEHF on teams vs double MK. Last MK vs SK and DEHF. One Falco grabs, dthrow. Other Falco footstools to both Falco laser lock to 200+%. Epic play is epic.

 

[Emperor Time]

Keep the updates coming. I'm pirat- er, doing some memory intensive stuff and can't watch the stream :/