Enemies of the Crown: King Dedede Matchup Thread (SERIN IS IN CHARGE NOW NOT GATES)

[Commander_Beef]

I have yet to see CRASHiC, Gates, or Beefy post.

And it wouldn't hurt to have Nya post too

Your wish has been granted Serin. I now have the time to do so. Our number is the left one of each one. The four Mario, Luigi, Samus, and Donkey Kong ratios are without our standing infinite (because it's more often than not banned), and Donkey Kong/Bowser ratios are including our smallstep chaingrab.
Metaknight 40:60
Snake 50:50
Wario 50:50
Falco 40:60
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 50:50
Mr G&W 50:50
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 35:65
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 60:40
Kirby 50:50

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 50:50
Toon Link 50:50
Pit 60:40
Donkey Kong 70:30

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 50:50
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Sheik 55:45
Bowser 70:30
Zelda 55:45
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 40:60
-Ivysaur 70:30
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 55:45
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Meta knight: 55:45 MK35-65
Snake: 60:40 D345-55
Wario: 60:40 D360-40
Falco: 70:30 Falco40-60
Diddy: 55:45 Diddy50-50
King DeDeDe: 75:90 MewtwoDoes Not Compute

Marth: 60:40 D355-45
GnW: 55:45 D340-60
Pikachu: 60:40 Pikachu40-60
Olimar: 60:40 Olimar35-65
ICs: 65:35 ICs30-70
ROB: 55:45 D355-45
Kirby: 55:45 D350-50

Lucario: 50:5055-45
ZSS: 55:45 ZSS50-50
Toon Link: 55:45 D365-35
Pit: 55:45 D355-45
DK: 75:35 (Fix that please.) D3 (no infinite)70-30

Peach: 55:4565-35
Luigi: 60:40 D350-50
Fox: 55:45 D350-50
Wolf: 60:40 D365-35
Sonic: 60:40 D355-45
Sheik: 60(Fix that as well):D360-40

Bowser: 65:35 D365-35
Zelda: 55:45 D360-40
PT: ???60-40
•Squirtle: 60:40 Squirtle40-60
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D330-70
•Charizard: 60:40 D360-40
Ike: 60:40 D365-35

Lucas: 55:45 D365-35
Mario: 60:40 D365-35
Ness: 55:45 D360-40
Yoshi: 60:40 D360-40
Samus: 60:40 D360-40

Jigglypuff: 55:45 D360-40
Captain Falcon: 95:5 Falcon (because he's that sexy)75-25
Link: 70:3075-25
Ganondorf: 75:25 D380-20

Originally, I was only gonna point out those two mistakes, but I said, why the heck not.

 

[o-Serin-o]

You came all this way just to troll?


I'm pretty **** sure it says based on your opinion.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Uh hunh, and I gave my opinion. The "fix me" parts were to show mistakes on your part. 75:35 adds up to 110, and the Sheik matchup only has a 60, instead of it saying 60-40. I didn't realize pointing out errors constituted trolling.

I don't know what gave you the idea that I was trying to correct you, or prove you wrong.

 

[o-Serin-o]

So why didn't you just come in, post your ratios without quoting me, and leave a smile at the end like everyone else?

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

So why didn't you just come in, post your ratios without quoting me, and leave a smile at the end like everyone else?

I quoted you because I didn't take the time to delete all of your ratios. I'm lazy, sue me. I was also (again I say this) bringing to your attention the mistakes that you made in your matchup analysis. I didn't question your reasoning at all.

And who said I didn't "end with a smile?" I left my feedback and left it at that. You had to take it to another level, calling me a troll with rather weak reasoning.

This is one of the reasons I don't come here anymore.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Copy/Paste says hi.

/ends

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Copy/Paste says hi.

/ends

Kiss my @$$

/ends

 

[o-Serin-o]

I don't wanna.

/ends before we get infracted for spamming this ****.


Nya, can we get your ratios?

 

[CRASHiC]

Are these ratios of how we personally do, or ratios of what we believe the matchup is?

 

[o-Serin-o]

On what we believe the matchup is.

 

[AtotheZ]

So when do we get to have heated debates on eachothers matchups

 

[o-Serin-o]

In the matchup exports...

 

[CRASHiC]

Meta knight: 45:55
Snake: 60:40
Wario: 60:40
Falco: 40:60
Diddy: 50:50


Marth: 60:40
GnW: 60:40
Pikachu: 45:55
Olimar: 55:45
ICs: undecided, want to see Seibrik play Meep and Lain
ROB: 55:45
Kirby: 60:40

Lucario: 65:35
ZSS: 40:60
Toon Link: 45:55
Pit: 60:40
DK: 90:10 with or without infinite, we can shield grab everything he does.

Peach: no opinion
Luigi: 45:55
Fox: 45:55
Wolf: 70:30 D3
Sonic: no opinion
Sheik: no opinion

Bowser: 65:35
Zelda: no opinion
PT: ???
•Squirtle: 40:60
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D3
•Charizard: 60:40 D3
Ike: 60:40 D3

Lucas: 55:45 D3
Mario: 60:40 D3
Ness: 65:35 D3
Yoshi: 50:50 D3
Samus: 100:0 D3

Jigglypuff: 55:45
Captain Falcon: no opinion
Link: 70:30
Ganondorf: 100:0 down air camp.

 

[TlocCPU]

Meta knight: 70:30 MK
Snake: 55:45 D3
Wario: 55:45 D3
Falco: 60:40 Falco (No, it's not that bad)
Diddy: 55:45 Diddy

Marth: 55:45 D3
GnW: 55:45 D3
Pikachu: 60:40 Pikachu
Olimar: 55:45 D3
ICs: 65:35 ICs
ROB: 65:35 D3
Kirby: 50:50

Lucario: 60:40 D3
ZSS: 55:45 ZSS
Toon Link: 55:45 D3
Pit: 55:45 D3
DK: 60:40 D3 (no infinite)

Peach: 55:45 D3
Luigi: 55:45 Luigi (no infinite)
Fox: 60:40 Fox
Wolf: 65:35 D3
Sonic: 60:40 D3
Sheik: 55:45 D3

Bowser: 55:45 D3 (NO walking CG)
Zelda: 55:45 Zelda
PT: ???
•Squirtle: 60:40 Squirtle
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D3
•Charizard: 60:40 D3
Ike: 60:40 D3

Lucas: 55:45 D3
Mario: 60:40 D3
Ness: 55:45 D3
Yoshi: 55:45 D3
Samus: 60:40 D3

Jigglypuff: 55:45 D3
Captain Falcon: 65:35 D3
Link: 70:30 D3
Ganondorf: 75:25 D3

 

[SuSa]

DK: 90:10 with or without infinite, we can shield grab everything he does.

The DK mains you play must have never heard of "spacing" and "bair".

Seriously, I tried to gay M7H's DK by going D3, and if it weren't for CG > dtilt > edgeguard, and him making 3 mistakes. I would have lost the game.

That bair is ****ing impossible to grab.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Lolwut the Luigi matchup.

I'm slightly inclined to believe in the MK v D3 matchup.


EDIT: SuSa only posted here because CPU posted here =3

 

[CRASHiC]

Meta knight: 70:30 MK- lol wut?

 

[Commander_Beef]

The worst is 60:40 Meta Knight... I don't know what he's thinking.

 

[SuSa]

CPU's bias'd IMO. =p I don't think he knows the matchup that well..

Serin is correct.

"65:35 ICs"

That makes me smile.

 

[TlocCPU]

Absolutely no bias. It's not really worth discussing here but my ratios are based on players who use that character in the top level of competitive play, not your random typical wifi players or tournament randoms. If you do a thread export on MK I'll explain my reasoning with valid proof. The matchup is almost unwinnable on the top level of play but you can handle most MKs pretty easily.

CPU's bias'd IMO. =p I don't think he knows the matchup that well..

Serin is correct.

"65:35 ICs"

That makes me smile.

Um no.. I know the matchup really well.

 

[o-Serin-o]

But what of the Luigi matchup

 

[CRASHiC]

not your random typical wifi players or tournament randoms.

Wasn't aware Co18, Atomsk and Seibrik were tournament randoms. Huh.

If you do a thread export on MK I'll explain my reasoning with valid proof.

We have one.

 

[TlocCPU]

Wasn't aware Co18, Atomsk and Seibrik were tournament randoms. Huh.



We have one.

I'm not talking about random dededes, i'm talking about random MKs lol.
Co18 almost always loses to seibrik's MK
Atomsk talks a big game of destroying MK then loses to west coast metaknights at genesis.

But what of the Luigi matchup

Purely talking about without the infinite

 

[o-Serin-o]

CRASHiC just made himself into an *******... >_>

MK DOES HAVE RANDOMS... -_-

 

[TlocCPU]

CRASHiC just made himself into an *******... >_>

MK DOES HAVE RANDOMS... -_-

Lol 90% of MKs are randoms I just stand in one spot and press uptilt and they lose

 

[Commander_Beef]

Absolutely no bias. It's not really worth discussing here but my ratios are based on players who use that character in the top level of competitive play, not your random typical wifi players or tournament randoms. If you do a thread export on MK I'll explain my reasoning with valid proof. The matchup is almost unwinnable on the top level of play but you can handle most MKs pretty easily.

Um no.. I know the matchup really well.

I agree with this man, and I'm in the same current position with this. People like DSF, Tyrant, Havok, (and also other ranked Meta Knights) and any Meta Knights that are separately campy. [Not implying that those people are campy at all, just separate people.]

And Crashic, he didn't say that they are the typical wifi or tournament randoms. He was opposing those as separate Meta Knights that he and I can beat. I feel you CPU.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Lol 90% of MKs are randoms I just stand in one spot and press uptilt and they lose

Surprisingly, I can't seem to throw my utilt out fast enough on wifi.

 

[CRASHiC]

Lol 90% of MKs are randoms I just stand in one spot and press uptilt and they lose

Yes, when Co18 beats Seibrik's Metaknight who placed at 9th at Apex, he's beating a random Metaknight.

 

[TlocCPU]

Surprisingly, I can't seem to throw my utilt out fast enough on wifi.

Lol on wifi it's like 80:20 MK, you can't punish the tornado because of lag. I don't bother fighting MKs with dedede online, I usually take it as an opportunity to practice my falco.

Yes, when Co18 beats Seibrik's Metaknight who placed at 9th at Apex, he's beating a random Metaknight.

You're so busy trying to be a douchebag that you still haven't realized what I meant by tournament randoms.

 

[CRASHiC]

Is CPU from west coast?

CPU, you said at the highlest level of play. At I consider Co18 vs. Seib at the highest level of play. And we all see how that pans out, with Seibrik winning most of the time, but the matchup in no way being what you describe. Learn the matchup.

 

[o-Serin-o]

CRASHiC, just stfu right now. You are not proving yourself smart... >_>

Just being honest.

 

[LoganW]

co18 vs seib isn't the highest level of play. The highest level is reserved for m2k,ally, and adhd
EDIT:I agree w/ serin

 

[TlocCPU]

Is CPU from west coast?

CPU, you said at the highlest level of play. At I consider Co18 vs. Seib at the highest level of play. And we all see how that pans out, with Seibrik winning most of the time, but the matchup in no way being what you describe. Learn the matchup.

Wait Seibrik wins most of the time? You mean like maybe 70% of the time? So wait that would leave 30% SO 70/30 MATH IS FUN!

I didn't say it was unwinnable, I said it was ALMOST unwinnable. If I thought it was unwinnable I would put 100:0.
Quit being a douchebag and hear people out. There are dedede's out there that know a little bit more than you, It's actually possible.

 

[CRASHiC]

lol, yes because CPU knows the matchup more than CO18 and Seibrik, who play the matchup at high level of play almost every weekend. Most of you guys have a trouble with tornado spam of all things.

co18 vs seib isn't the highest level of play. The highest level is reserved for m2k,ally, and adhd
EDIT:I agree w/ serin

Highest level of this matchup.
and wtf you doing here lol

Wait Seibrik wins most of the time? You mean like maybe 70% of the time? So wait that would leave 30% SO 70/30 MATH IS FUN!

No, more like 55/45
Just like the matchup is now.

I didn't say it was unwinnable, I said it was ALMOST unwinnable. If I thought it was unwinnable I would put 100:0.
Quit being a douchebag and hear people out. There are dedede's out there that know a little bit more than you, It's actually possible.

Yes, and these say the matchup is much better than this trash you are throwing out.

 

[TlocCPU]

lol, yes because CPU knows the matchup more than CO18 and Seibrik, who play the matchup at high level of play almost every weekend. Most of you guys have a trouble with tornado spam of all things.

Well being the top Dedede player on the west coast right now, I would consider my opinion just as valid as Co18. Even saying that though, you're still wrong because Co18 still loses to Seibrik about 70% of the time. You look like an idiot right now, just shut up.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Wow dude CRASHiC...

Stop now... ._. Please...

 

[LoganW]

Crashic let him respond. Your a very arrogant debater. YOu don't have right to shut others down like that, you are a nobody player who makes statements and hides behind better players than you

 

[CRASHiC]

No. You guys are really wrong on this. The worst Co18 has and will ever say is 60/40.

Crashic let him respond. Your a very arrogant debater. YOu don't have right to shut others down like that, you are a nobody player who makes statements and hides behind better players than you

There is nothing wrong with citing things said by better players who know the matchup.
Also, how did I not let him respond, by replying?
I'll trust what Seibrik says over any DDD player, except on ICs until Seib plays the top players.

 

[TlocCPU]

No. You guys are really wrong on this. The worst Co18 has and will ever say is 60/40.



There is nothing wrong with citing things said by better players who know the matchup.

Now you're just trying to come down to whose opinion is more valid though. Me and Co18 see it in different ways. Much in the same way of how he lost to Chip and Fiction at genesis. Fiction never beats my dedede and I think the toon link matchup is easy while Co18 can't do it at all. There's no point in debating on which dedede is right, we're both good players and we both see a lot of things differently. I think when he moves here next summer and gets a taste of Havok DSF and Tyrant, he will see things the same way I do.