Enemies of the Crown: King Dedede Matchup Thread (SERIN IS IN CHARGE NOW NOT GATES)

[Jupz]

Thanks for the opinions CO

Yeah I find Kirby not that hard at all, maybe 50:50.

What counterpick do you recommend for IC's?

 

[o-Serin-o]

Strongly Norfair. **** whatever we say about it being a bad stage for us. IMO, its more of a good stage.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Then also DDD wario is definitley in d3s adv. 6:4 IMO now. D3 should Rarely ever full hop vs wario. Once you get a lead Just spam SH bairs and from there you can basically react/punish anything wario can do.

Explain why King Dedede should rarely fullhop versus Wario please. It can be as little as an explanantion you want it to be, but I just want to know why.

Assuming that we got the lead, what are the main things we should be doing that achieves us that lead in this matchup? I'm assuming not back airing because according to you, that's what we should be doing afterwards when we have the lead. So what should we be doing to achieve the lead versus Wario?

 

[o-Serin-o]

I have a fun time with Wario and I agree with Co18 on it almost 100% The matchup should be 6:4 D3 because we have better options when it comes to a ground game, air game and offstage game.

 

[Master Raven]

Meta Knight is the only character I actually lose to, he's so broken, beyond a player's normal skill.
A great example: I challenged a 1453 points guy on All is Brawl and he surprised me with Falco on the first round...and we began on Final Destination. I STILL owned his Falco on the best stage for that matchup for Falco, and he decides to go Meta Knight and he can still beat him with him, he won boths rounds after that. The knight just completely defies player skill...especially when the player still can't beat me with a horrible matchup for King Dedede on his best stage for King Dedede. Meta Knight should be banned... Even if I know that matchup like the back of my hand, Meta Knights can still win. No point in myself writing anything at all for him.

I'm going to assume this isn't serious 'cause you're making judgements off of wifi.

 

[Commander_Beef]

They're very good judgments for that matter.

 

[o-Serin-o]

TBH Master Raven, wifi is srs business =D Wifi ladder is even moar srs business =3

 

[T3h Albino]

....you guys aren't serious....<_________>

 

[o-Serin-o]

Hell no. Ladder is nothing unless I'm in the playoffs.

 

[Gates]

Massive update.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Explain why King Dedede should rarely fullhop versus Wario please. It can be as little as an explanantion you want it to be, but I just want to know why.

Assuming that we got the lead, what are the main things we should be doing that achieves us that lead in this matchup? I'm assuming not back airing because according to you, that's what we should be doing afterwards when we have the lead. So what should we be doing to achieve the lead versus Wario?

Come on dude... answer me! You're CO18 for God's sake lol.
I want to know -_-...

 

[o-Serin-o]

Beefy, do whatever. You should have have to Fullhop against ANYONE.

 

[Atomsk_92]

SH bair beats airdodge through and dair and it will clash if wario's fair is perfectly spaced but you'll take like 4 and he'll take like whatever bair is( i think 12 lolz all i ever knew was bthrow and what % utilt killed XD)

So as long as you SH Bair wario can't really approach

 

[CRASHiC]

Its more than twelve because in training mode its 13, and in training mode it has a constant staleness to it.

 

[CO18]

Well you can bair if you dont have the lead... just do what ya gotta do to get one lol play your normal game. but if YOU DO have the lead just spam sh bair and react to however he approaches.

 

[o-Serin-o]

If you have the lead, just try to hold the stock and build as much damage as you can.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Alright then... thank you.
And you people are just clueless... back air does 13% fresh anywhere and it has never been 12% anywhere at all. In both training mode and versus mode, it's 14% sometimes, I don't know why.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Well sometimes we forget things =D

 

[Commander_Beef]

Yes you all forget very simple facts...I mean.. I'm not continuing on that topic.

Who's that Penguin Pimp? I bet somebody made another profile just for that post -_-... lol.
And the avatar of that Penguin Pimp are little ducklings...
So pathetic.

 

[o-Serin-o]

I don't know who he is, but people are making this a difficult day for me. -_-

 

[Commander_Beef]

Wow that's crazy... send him a private message right now. I really think a fellow board member made a new account for this though.

 

[o-Serin-o]

It was Gates... and apparently everyone else was in on this.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Umm... if it was Gates, then what's the big idea?
Was it a big idea because he didn't tell you about it or something? How do you know it was him?
Spill it Raimundo .

 

[o-Serin-o]

Both him and CRASHiC PM'ed me. Go figure..

 

[CRASHiC]

I apologize for not informing you Serin when I made the account for them.
It was something we had been talking about for quite a while.

 

[o-Serin-o]

And you didn't think to tell me? You know, the mod?

 

[CRASHiC]

It was completely my fault, as I am still adjusting to the DDD boards having a mod. It will not happen again for any other large projects that might require your approval.

On a light note though, by Monday, I think we should have this place fully in shape and looking as good as the other boards. Your work should be easy then.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Can we move this to the Social Thread? This is the wrong thread to be posting in ATM.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Matchup Ratios

Matchup Ratios based on YOUR opinion
In tier list order
GIVE THEM TO ME! (and be ****ing honest)
I'm giving Rajam these to average and add to the matchup chart.

Meta knight: 55:45 MK
Snake: 60:40 D3
Wario: 60:40 D3
Falco: 70:30 Falco (yes, it's that bad...)
Diddy: 55:45 Diddy
King DeDeDe: 75:90 Mewtwo

Marth: 60:40 D3
GnW: 55:45 D3
Pikachu: 60:40 Pikachu
Olimar: 60:40 Olimar
ICs: 65:35 ICs
ROB: 55:45 D3
Kirby: 55:45 D3

Lucario: 50:50
ZSS: 55:45 ZSS
Toon Link: 55:45 D3
Pit: 55:45 D3
DK: 75:35 D3 (no infinite)

Peach: 55:45
Luigi: 60:40 D3
Fox: 55:45 D3
Wolf: 60:40 D3
Sonic: 60:40 D3
Sheik: 60:D3

Bowser: 65:35 D3
Zelda: 55:45 D3
PT: ???
•Squirtle: 60:40 Squirtle
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D3
•Charizard: 60:40 D3
Ike: 60:40 D3

Lucas: 55:45 D3
Mario: 60:40 D3
Ness: 55:45 D3
Yoshi: 60:40 D3
Samus: 60:40 D3

Jigglypuff: 55:45 D3
Captain Falcon: 95:5 Falcon (because he's that sexy)
Link: 70:30
Ganondorf: 75:25 D3

Dedede's number goes first.


Metaknight 45:55
Snake 50:50
Wario 60:40
Falco 40:60
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 60:40
Mr G&W 45:55
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 45:55
Ice Climbers 45:55
ROB 60:40
Kirby 50:50

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 55:45
Toon Link 50:50
Pit 50:50
Donkey Kong 90:10

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 55:45
Bowser 75:25
Zelda 45:55
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 55:45
-Ivysaur 65:35
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 60:40
Mario 65:35
Ness 55:45
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 70:30
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 75:35

Metaknight 40:60
Snake 50:50
Wario 50:50
Falco 35:65
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 50:50
Mr G&W 50:50
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 50:50
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 60:40
Kirby 45:55

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 45:55
Toon Link 45:55
Pit 50:50
Donkey Kong 65:35

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 50:50
Bowser 65:35
Zelda 60:40
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 45:55
-Ivysaur 65:35
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 65:35
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 70:30
Jigglypuff 65:35
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

yep

Im so mad cute ;3.
Dedede's Numbers go first ofcourse.

Metaknight 45:55
Snake 55:45
Wario 55:45
Falco 35:65
Diddy Kong 50:50

Marth 60:40
Mr G&W 55:45
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 40:60
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 55:45
Kirby 55:45

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 45:55
Toon Link 55:45
Pit 60:40
Donkey Kong 65:35

Peach 60:40
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 60:40
Bowser 65:35
Zelda 55:45
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 40:60
-Ivysaur 60:40
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 50:50
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

Your wish has been granted Serin. I now have the time to do so. Our number is the left one of each one. The four Mario, Luigi, Samus, and Donkey Kong ratios are without our standing infinite (because it's more often than not banned), and Donkey Kong/Bowser ratios are including our smallstep chaingrab.
Metaknight 40:60
Snake 50:50
Wario 50:50
Falco 40:60
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 50:50
Mr G&W 50:50
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 35:65
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 60:40
Kirby 50:50

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 50:50
Toon Link 50:50
Pit 60:40
Donkey Kong 70:30

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 50:50
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Sheik 55:45
Bowser 70:30
Zelda 55:45
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 40:60
-Ivysaur 70:30
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 55:45
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

Meta knight: 45:55
Snake: 60:40
Wario: 60:40
Falco: 40:60
Diddy: 50:50


Marth: 60:40
GnW: 60:40
Pikachu: 45:55
Olimar: 55:45
ICs: undecided, want to see Seibrik play Meep and Lain
ROB: 55:45
Kirby: 60:40

Lucario: 65:35
ZSS: 40:60
Toon Link: 45:55
Pit: 60:40
DK: 90:10 with or without infinite, we can shield grab everything he does.

Peach: no opinion
Luigi: 45:55
Fox: 45:55
Wolf: 70:30 D3
Sonic: no opinion
Sheik: no opinion

Bowser: 65:35
Zelda: no opinion
PT: ???
•Squirtle: 40:60
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D3
•Charizard: 60:40 D3
Ike: 60:40 D3

Lucas: 55:45 D3
Mario: 60:40 D3
Ness: 65:35 D3
Yoshi: 50:50 D3
Samus: 100:0 D3

Jigglypuff: 55:45
Captain Falcon: no opinion
Link: 70:30
Ganondorf: 100:0 down air camp.

Meta knight: 70:30 MK
Snake: 55:45 D3
Wario: 55:45 D3
Falco: 60:40 Falco (No, it's not that bad)
Diddy: 55:45 Diddy

Marth: 55:45 D3
GnW: 55:45 D3
Pikachu: 60:40 Pikachu
Olimar: 55:45 D3
ICs: 65:35 ICs
ROB: 65:35 D3
Kirby: 50:50

Lucario: 60:40 D3
ZSS: 55:45 ZSS
Toon Link: 55:45 D3
Pit: 55:45 D3
DK: 60:40 D3 (no infinite)

Peach: 55:45 D3
Luigi: 55:45 Luigi (no infinite)
Fox: 60:40 Fox
Wolf: 65:35 D3
Sonic: 60:40 D3
Sheik: 55:45 D3

Bowser: 55:45 D3 (NO walking CG)
Zelda: 55:45 Zelda
PT: ???
•Squirtle: 60:40 Squirtle
•Ivysaur: 70:30 D3
•Charizard: 60:40 D3
Ike: 60:40 D3

Lucas: 55:45 D3
Mario: 60:40 D3
Ness: 55:45 D3
Yoshi: 55:45 D3
Samus: 60:40 D3

Jigglypuff: 55:45 D3
Captain Falcon: 65:35 D3
Link: 70:30 D3
Ganondorf: 75:25 D3

 

[o-Serin-o]

Seriously:

Captain Falcon: 60:40 D3

 

[Commander_Beef]

Serin...........What the muck?
Wario and Snake, and Kirby are still considered Even matchups for us right now.
This list needs to be updated.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Uhm Beefy, maybe I didn't put this, but base this on YOUR opinion. This is mine. Post yours or w/e.

 

[Jupz]

Dedede's number goes first.


Metaknight 45:55
Snake 50:50
Wario 60:40
Falco 40:60
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 60:40
Mr G&W 45:55
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 45:55
Ice Climbers 45:55
ROB 60:40
Kirby 50:50

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 55:45
Toon Link 50:50
Pit 50:50
Donkey Kong 90:10

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 55:45
Bowser 75:25
Zelda 45:55
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 55:45
-Ivysaur 65:35
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 60:40
Mario 65:35
Ness 55:45
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 70:30
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 75:35

 

[momochuu]

Okay.


When making a new thread, you don't HAVE to do a random double post after the first post. Like...I don't even see why this thread would need something like an archiving post. Nothing big, just something that annoys me. :<

 

[o-Serin-o]

I didn't feel like editing. >_> Sorry.

Post your ratios please, Nya?

 

[AtotheZ]

Metaknight 40:60
Snake 50:50
Wario 50:50
Falco 35:65
Diddy Kong 45:55

Marth 50:50
Mr G&W 50:50
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 50:50
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 60:40
Kirby 45:55

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 45:55
Toon Link 45:55
Pit 50:50
Donkey Kong 65:35

Peach 55:45
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 50:50
Bowser 65:35
Zelda 60:40
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 45:55
-Ivysaur 65:35
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 65:35
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 70:30
Jigglypuff 65:35
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

yep

 

[Maniclysane]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Jiggly v D3 is 65:35. I think it's honestly a straight 60:40.

I understand Jigglypuff doesn't have as much priority as D3, but her aerial mobility lets her poke between moving in and out really well, and with D3 being a big target, rest is easier to land.

Sorry to interrupt your matchup thread.

 

[o-Serin-o]

It's all good. =3 I'm just trying to collect matchup ratios.

 

[T3h Albino]

Im so mad cute ;3.
Dedede's Numbers go first ofcourse.

Metaknight 45:55
Snake 55:45
Wario 55:45
Falco 35:65
Diddy Kong 50:50

Marth 60:40
Mr G&W 55:45
Pikachu 40:60
Olimar 40:60
Ice Climbers 40:60
ROB 55:45
Kirby 55:45

Lucario 60:40
Zero Suit Samus 45:55
Toon Link 55:45
Pit 60:40
Donkey Kong 65:35

Peach 60:40
Luigi 60:40
Fox 55:45
Wolf 65:35
Sonic 60:40
Shiek 60:40
Bowser 65:35
Zelda 55:45
Pokemon Trainer 60:40
-Squirtle 40:60
-Ivysaur 60:40
-Charizard 60:40
Ike 70:30
Lucas 50:50
Mario 65:35
Ness 60:40
Yoshi 60:40
Samus 65:35
Jigglypuff 60:40
Captain Falcon 65:35
Link 70:30
Ganondorf 70:30

 

[o-Serin-o]

I have yet to see CRASHiC, Gates, or Beefy post.

And it wouldn't hurt to have Nya post too