Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[Kantrip]

Like, Hasting the NK would essentially make it a Strongman kill. Why not Haste FF sending in the NK?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hmmm, rereading some stuff. I'm going to ask questions and point out stuff as I go.

@Kantrip: What inspired you to vote PJB on page 1?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

SC- why do you assume I'm one of the few to actually say something about you assuming leadership? Have you gotten vibe from other games, or is it merely because I'm old school with "experience"?
Also, why Gheb?

And of course I have issues with it. Those to be followed must prove themselves through out the game, and players may gradually gravitate toward them. However, you should know that I get what I want done in a game, and in especially this one, you might find many players actions will be somehow influenced by me.

Will like to point out a major crumb here made by Hando. The second paragraph is where he starts to talk about how players may "gravitate" towards certain players (btw guys gravity and magnetism are not the same force just wanted to point that out k) and how many players will "somehow be influenced by [him]."

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Telling where and what I do let's scum play around my role. IE why I did the same in Golden Sun as the jailer.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Why, because some unclaimed ability said you are? I'm not trusting that when no one even knows where it's coming from. You're badtown, but by PoE there's not many other places to look.

@Sword: I'm not trying to make the lynch between us, but I'm saying if the rest of you guys have any sense you'll realize that's really the only place it can be. Obviously I'd much rather Nabe get lynched because I'm actually an asset to town and will continue to actually DO something, but yeah.

@RR: Why? My NA plan covers literally everything, what are you worried about stopping you?

@AM: Could I get input from you other than you just prodding inactives?

No you're an idiot because everything I've done so far has been towny, I have a confirmed prot ability that you want to kill me for. Mafia has already had their role blocker down and Govas an idiot if he put a NK block ability within the ****ing mafia.

Can we please lynch this fool? I want to get gheb back so I can question him a little further.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Page 2: RR attacks Foxy and PJB, jokes around with S&C. No vote. I can't pick up anything special about PJB's and RR's interactions on this page. JTB votes PJB without a reason, seemingly nonchalant. No reaction from PJB.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmmm, rereading some stuff. I'm going to ask questions and point out stuff as I go.

@Kantrip: What inspired you to vote PJB on page 1?

Vote him? I didn't like his response to my question about sheeping S&C.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

RR are you opposed at all to the idea of DH hasting you and me protecting you?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote him? I didn't like his response to my question about sheeping S&C.

Why though?

 

[Kantrip]

No you're an idiot because everything I've done so far has been towny, I have a confirmed prot ability that you want to kill me for. Mafia has already had their role blocker down and Govas an idiot if he put a NK block ability within the ****ing mafia.

Can we please lynch this fool? I want to get gheb back so I can question him a little further.

Who's the roleblocker, you dumb ****?

Jesus

 

[Kantrip]

Why though?

Because it was early in the game, I asked him a question, and his answer irked me. Thought it was a good enough RVS wagon so I latched on, when he didn't improve the scumread developed and... voila! A scum lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

Badwolf, your play has been terrible and the only reason I townread you is because it's town terrible, not because it's good. This is consistent with how you always play this game, and I'm amazed you have the audacity to call me an idiot. Get out of here with that.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm trying to approach this from a tabula rasa pov btw.

Page 3: Still don't think there's anything unnatural about RR's interactions with PJB. AM comes in, attacks PJB but doesn't focus on him exclusively. His interactions with PJB feel natural as well so far.

Kinda like the last line of RR's 108. Feels genuine.

BW comes in and soft defends PJB. 105 is noncommittal but honestly not terrrrrrribly scummy coming from BW. Idk, maybe overthinking the meta.

Don't like JTB's 111. Seems like fake scumhunting, simply going after what looks bad, as I'm not convinced JTB really dislikes that post. The friendly nature of the last part of the post seems unnecessary and out of place.

I would like JTB to tell us why he voted PJB so early.

Hando soft defends PJB in 114. Something to be noted.

Still think 113 is kind of a generic reason to be on PJB sorry Kantrip.

 

[Kantrip]

It's cool if you think it's generic. I was right, and that's all I care about

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Because it was early in the game, I asked him a question, and his answer irked me. Thought it was a good enough RVS wagon so I latched on, when he didn't improve the scumread developed and... voila! A scum lynch.

Detail as to why his answer irked you. I mean I can already imagine why already but I'm trying to assume nothing here.

@MOD: Request replacement for JTB or request another prod.

 

[Kantrip]

Wtf kind of questions are those?

We both already know that baseless sheeping and buddying are bad things to do.

I don't know what words to use to describe why this post was gross.

I mean he just starts off getting aggressive over a pretty obviously joke-ish question. And the answer is just so... textbook. Like robotic almost. Like

WTF KANTRIP WHY YOU SAYING THAT.

Sheeping is bad. Sheeping is wrong. Sheeping is scummy.

I dunno what to call it, but it very much raised red flags everywhere.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I would like to point out that PJB didn't actually act all that aggressive towards confirmed town S&C. In matter of fact I think that he went for a more "I'm being reasonable" approach. I'm not saying that scum PJB is going to act that way towards all townies but I do think it gives us a good hint as to an approach he was going for when it came to interacting with townies.

Post 126 and 128 seem like a genuine interaction between Kantrip and PJB.

127 Hando changes his position on what Kantrip is saying without putting up much of a fight. I don't really know what to make of that.

149 DH focuses exclusively on PJB. Doesn't throw down a vote but that could just be because PJB was at L_2 at the time.

I'm pretty okay with everything between post 132-137.

Middle paragraph of 127 looks genuine.

149 and 155 are just meh questions by DH.

Post 140 is PJB being aggressive towards AM and voting him, but I imagine the only reason he did that was because Gheb pressured him into it.

Honestly not a terrible fan of RR's Foxy push, because I was reading Foxy as obvious town Ran at that point. 160 seems like a random post.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't know what words to use to describe why this post was gross.

I mean he just starts off getting aggressive over a pretty obviously joke-ish question. And the answer is just so... textbook. Like robotic almost. Like

WTF KANTRIP WHY YOU SAYING THAT.

Sheeping is bad. Sheeping is wrong. Sheeping is scummy.

I dunno what to call it, but it very much raised red flags everywhere.

Okay yeah fair enough, this is honestly what I was expecting you to say.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually getting back to post 149 I really actually kinda don't like that DH just focuses on PJB, quoting the "scummy" things PJB posted. It's either opportunistic (town or indie) or a bus (mafia). Like it just feels like there was more to comment on before that and it's kinda coincidental that DH only ended up commenting on PJB (although he did ask a question to another scummer FF). Him answering a question asked towards him doesn't really count towards commenting on something imo. I shouldn't put too much stock into this but I'm not allowed to believe in coincidence.

Now anyways onto page 5.

 

[Kantrip]

This is the Sword we were missing in D2.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Why, because some unclaimed ability said you are? I'm not trusting that when no one even knows where it's coming from. You're badtown, but by PoE there's not many other places to look.

@Sword: I'm not trying to make the lynch between us, but I'm saying if the rest of you guys have any sense you'll realize that's really the only place it can be. Obviously I'd much rather Nabe get lynched because I'm actually an asset to town and will continue to actually DO something, but yeah.

@RR: Why? My NA plan covers literally everything, what are you worried about stopping you?

@AM: Could I get input from you other than you just prodding inactives?

You already have something from us and other players need prodding. Right now, you're easily setting up for JTB and DH to go wherever the hell the majority of players want to go.

 

[Kantrip]

All I've heard from you is that I'm on the chopping block.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

ADD kicked in for an hour. Let me see how much I can get done before it kicks in again.

162-168 is once again good content from AM and how he interacts with several people while pushing the PJB for what seems like to me legit reasons is really making me doubt a connection between the two.

I find post 169 frustrating because I can actually imagine why Hando is saying what he's saying in his post but he never backs himself up and now that he's gone he never will. It makes it very hard to tell rather he was being genuine or not.

I think DH's 172 is generic but not necessarily scummy. Could be dumb town.

174 still generic still could be dumb town. Would like others opinions on this.

183 is another post from JTB that I don't like. It still feels to me JTB is just looking for something illogical to hatch onto rather than actually find something scummy. 184 is fair though.

Hando voting PJB (195) in a nonchalant manner is something I wouldn't expect out of a scummate. This doesn't disconnect them completely but I would still like to insert that I kinda expect scum to care a bit more about how they treat their partner. Like if someone's going to bud then I expect them to ****ing bus and not just kinda vote.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Like, Hasting the NK would essentially make it a Strongman kill. Why not Haste FF sending in the NK?

Yeah. But not the point, at all. Maybe there were limits to that behaviour, or maybe it was less beneficial than something else, because X. If DH was scum and had to pick someone, AM could be it. The actual point is that DH being scum clears up every other setup discrepancy that you came up with.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah. But not the point, at all. Maybe there were limits to that behaviour, or maybe it was less beneficial than something else, because X. If DH was scum and had to pick someone, AM could be it. The actual point is that DH being scum clears up every other setup discrepancy that you came up with.

This might be something I have to give serious attention too. I'm going to reread Dark Horse and Gheb again in respects to connections.

Hell, mafia could have inside knowledge of the presence of a Tracker or something, who knows? Reading now

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No you're an idiot because everything I've done so far has been towny, I have a confirmed prot ability that you want to kill me for. Mafia has already had their role blocker down and Govas an idiot if he put a NK block ability within the ****ing mafia.

Can we please lynch this fool? I want to get gheb back so I can question him a little further.

Your role is the only reason people really have given you a pass on your play.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR are you opposed at all to the idea of DH hasting you and me protecting you?

Nope.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Who's the roleblocker, you dumb ****?

Jesus

Joker was the equivalent.

Badwolf, your play has been terrible and the only reason I townread you is because it's town terrible, not because it's good. This is consistent with how you always play this game, and I'm amazed you have the audacity to call me an idiot. Get out of here with that.

The problem with this is that no one ever tells me how I'm playing wrong, only that I am. Why don't you try and fix that or actually try and understand my thought process.
Tired of people, **** this I'm out for now.

 

[Kantrip]

LOL trusting Joker's claim at face value in any way

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

LOL trusting Joker's claim at face value in any way

Private-JokerBrown, Mafia Void has been lynched!

.... I do think that you are wrong.

Still tired and this is only succeeding in putting me in a worse mood.

 

[JTB]

Gova is replacing me over the Night. Since I'm here until the deadline and haven't been following the game at all, I'll throw down my vote on whomever AM wants me to

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Joker was the equivalent.


The problem with this is that no one ever tells me how I'm playing wrong, only that I am. Why don't you try and fix that or actually try and understand my thought process.
Tired of people, **** this I'm out for now.

*sigh*

1. Don't try to emulate Swiss. I know that you idolize him but even Swiss said that people shouldn't emulate him. You often come off more mean than clever and it just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
2. Tell people who you think is scum. This is something you've been lacking in this game outside of a few isolated posts.
3. Tell me who's scum besides Kantrip. So far he's the only person you've pushed and it's only because he mentioned lynching you. I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't have mentioned lynching Kantrip if he pushed someone else, even if that someone else was in the same circumstances as you. Like, say we lynch Kantrip and he flips town. Who's scum after that?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Gova is replacing me over the Night. Since I'm here until the deadline and haven't been following the game at all, I'll throw down my vote on whomever AM wants me to

Answer the question in my 1773.

Also tell me why you targeted the people you did. Like, on Night 2 you targeted BW. What made BW scummier than any other inactive? What made Hando scummy on Night 1 over anyone else, and why did that change Night 2?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

*sigh*

1. Don't try to emulate Swiss. I know that you idolize him but even Swiss said that people shouldn't emulate him. You often come off more mean than clever and it just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
2. Tell people who you think is scum. This is something you've been lacking in this game outside of a few isolated posts.
3. Tell me who's scum besides Kantrip. So far he's the only person you've pushed and it's only because he mentioned lynching you. I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't have mentioned lynching Kantrip if he pushed someone else, even if that someone else was in the same circumstances as you. Like, say we lynch Kantrip and he flips town. Who's scum after that?

I've said who I want to talk to, I'm still looking at gheb regardless of mechanics ATM. His strong arm defence of joker and general reluctance to lynch FF has left me more than a little suspicious of him. At this point I don't have anyone who I really am looking at within game, I have been going over the last Days and trying to read further into gheb but at this point I'm coming home from a 9 hour work shift every night and basically crashing within the hour. I don't have a set circumstance for each of the flip possibilities because at this point I just want to get gheb back so I can talk to him. I really don't care who's the lynch toDay as long as we have one, I do think that we might have an Indy but I want to get more info before I ride that train to endgame. The only way that I'm going to get that info is to get the lynch, look during Night, and if I survive, work with that.

The only reason I want Kant over anyone else is because of the blatant Omgus within his posting, frankly I'm surprised that I'm the only one who has a problem with it. I'm boy scared l my lynch because I know it won't happen. I'm scared that someone will intentionally let us at each others throats which I see Kant doing.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Also, I don't emulate Swiss. I know no one's good at it. I'm just annoyed that we couldn't get a lynch by the last deadline.... And the fact that we're no closer to one now this one has rolled around.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The only reason I want Kant over anyone else is because of the blatant Omgus within his posting, frankly I'm surprised that I'm the only one who has a problem with it. I'm boy scared l my lynch because I know it won't happen. I'm scared that someone will intentionally let us at each others throats which I see Kant doing.

There are better tells than that.

Everyone needs to vote Kantrip ASAP.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm confused about exactly what we're lynching Kantrip for. He seems jumpy as of a late but compared to all these lurkers I'm having a hard time finding this lynch justified over any inactive.

Like, toDay's been pretty inactive, it seems to me that scum would want to lay low, no RR?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

By poe it has to be Kantrip/Nabe/JTB/RR.

Scum DH should not have targeted AM, and since two mafia are down we know that they can't be mafia together.
Scum AM had no reason to save me yesturDay nor did he have any reason to confirm the abilities that he did.
AM also clears BW, plus there was that message at the beginning of the Day which helps.
I'm confirmed by AM.

JTB and Nabe having their powers confirmed DOES NOT confirm for me their alignments. JTB's could have several powers, and Nabe could be lying about the nature of his role.
Kantrip and RR have both played townie this game and I'm certain neither are mafia, however honestly nothing clears either at all from being indie.

*taps fingers*

RR, why would scum Kantrip suggest we roleblock him?

 

[Kantrip]

I've said who I want to talk to, I'm still looking at gheb regardless of mechanics ATM. His strong arm defence of joker and general reluctance to lynch FF has left me more than a little suspicious of him. At this point I don't have anyone who I really am looking at within game, I have been going over the last Days and trying to read further into gheb but at this point I'm coming home from a 9 hour work shift every night and basically crashing within the hour. I don't have a set circumstance for each of the flip possibilities because at this point I just want to get gheb back so I can talk to him. I really don't care who's the lynch toDay as long as we have one, I do think that we might have an Indy but I want to get more info before I ride that train to endgame. The only way that I'm going to get that info is to get the lynch, look during Night, and if I survive, work with that.

The only reason I want Kant over anyone else is because of the blatant Omgus within his posting, frankly I'm surprised that I'm the only one who has a problem with it. I'm boy scared l my lynch because I know it won't happen. I'm scared that someone will intentionally let us at each others throats which I see Kant doing.

OMGUS? Please point this out for me. I see me suspecting you and you OMGUSing me, but I don't see where I committed OMGUS.

 

[Kantrip]

.... I do think that you are wrong.

Still tired and this is only succeeding in putting me in a worse mood.

Mafia Void =/= Mafia Roleblocker

We have no idea what the specifics of either flipped mafia role were, and I'm not going to try to guess.

@Sword: Do you think JTB's targets make sense from a scum perspective? What do you think of what Nabe and I were talking about earlier (not the flinging accusations at each other part, but the part about DH)? Despite Hasting AM N1 not making much sense, what do you make of the fact that DHscum fixes every single one of our NA discrepancies at once?

I've been rereading Gheb's interactions with FF and PJB and I still really dislike him, but I'm torn because DH's interactions with those slots aren't the best either.