Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't think Gova will grant us one but

Request deadline extension

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Been at work stil at work, who's the lynch?

 

[Kantrip]

Request deadline extension

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Request Deadline Extension

 

[Gova]

Deadline is extended to Wednesday, June 26th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

The mod has confirmed to me that I was able to untoggle AM last Night.

Hope that clears some stuff up.

Wait wait wait wait wait, I thought you were paralyzed last Night?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Wait wait wait wait wait, I thought you were paralyzed last Night?

If he was paralyzed, how could he untoggle us?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Feels like I'm doing this more than usual.



I never said that I didn't receive a notice that said I was paralyzed. I had assumed that since it was claimed, that you would have assumed that I was notified. In other words, I was notified.


1. I've answered
2. Contacting mod now.


I'm positive. Super positive.


Not happening.

BW states here though that he was paralyzed. That's my question AM.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

BW, pretty please with sugar on top tell me ASAP what Gova said in his notification of you being paralyzed in as much detail as possible without breaking a rule.

 

[Gova]

1. Nabe (K)
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
6. JTB (Sword)
8. Potassium (RR, Nabe)
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()

Not voting: BW, DH, JTB, AM

With 8 playing it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Wednesday, June 26th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Got done reading these recent posts. Everything's finally starting to happen, or at least something. Time to start getting this game places. Kantrip's on the chopping block, so tell me what you think, JTB.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Deadline in Monday, Wednesday . . .

hm, hm

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

What is the indy scare?

Gheb has always been mafia. And I have been trying to kill him since N1. I don't see what you're on about, this isn't a new thing. I want Gheb very dead.

So why didn't you try lynching him D2? Why did you allow everything with Sworddancer to happen? Why did you not push for Gheb when you had confirmation from us that Swords was what he claimed?

Like, if you though Gheb was scum, why were you barking up the Sworddancer tree and then defaulted to an inactive lynch? If you had the conviction to shoot him N1, why did you not investigate further with that?

 

[Kantrip]

So why didn't you try lynching him D2? Why did you allow everything with Sworddancer to happen? Why did you not push for Gheb when you had confirmation from us that Swords was what he claimed?

Like, if you though Gheb was scum, why were you barking up the Sworddancer tree and then defaulted to an inactive lynch? If you had the conviction to shoot him N1, why did you not investigate further with that?

If you reread the Day, you'll see I faltered on the read. I was going to shoot JTB at one point, and crumbed as such, and wasn't feeling the Gheb thing D2 as much.

 

[Kantrip]

Basically at the end of D1 I was thinking

S&C scum if PJB town, Gheb scum if PJB scum

PJB was scum so I tried to shoot Gheb

During the Day I reread and reconsidered the read, instead starting to suspect Legolas

When you cleared Legolas, I didn't have a direction because them and Gheb were both town to me at the time

Crumbed shooting at JTB that Night, continued trying to get a read on an active player rather than settling for an inactive

In the end, settled on FF as an inactive

Noticed how hard Gheb defended FF and tried to get JTB

Decided to shoot Gheb instead of my crumbed JTB shot

 

[Kantrip]

WRT Badwolf right now: JTB makes the person target themselves. Badwolf "untoggling" off of AM doesn't sound like a targeting ability, so JTB's power wouldn't stop it.

Sword and AM: Weigh in on what I was talking to Ruy about last Night, please. By that I mean the whole spiel on how DH and Sword couldn't have been messed with last Night, because they'd both have to have been. It must have been AM's passive ability that was messed with, or DH is lying. Tell me if there's a flaw in my logic.

 

[Kantrip]

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

WRT Badwolf right now: JTB makes the person target themselves. Badwolf "untoggling" off of AM doesn't sound like a targeting ability, so JTB's power wouldn't stop it.

Sword and AM: Weigh in on what I was talking to Ruy about last Night, please. By that I mean the whole spiel on how DH and Sword couldn't have been messed with last Night, because they'd both have to have been. It must have been AM's passive ability that was messed with, or DH is lying. Tell me if there's a flaw in my logic.

I don't think it's impossible that both me and DH were messed with, but I do think that it's highly unlikely we were messed with by the same alignment. Could be an indie that tampered with one and mafia who tampered with the other.

The thing is though is that I don't like the idea that scum tampered with DH, because honestly why him? He's been just an inactive player that it doesn't make sense for scum to worry about him.

Kantrip are you suggesting based off of this that DH is lying? What about AM's confirmation of his role? Does that not move you? If it does, then I'm assuming that you like the idea of something preventing AM from getting his actions better. What could that possibly be and, more importantly, how could we possibly know?

 

[Kantrip]

Your second paragraph is something I was thinking about, too. I could see someone messing with you, but with Dark Horse claiming to haste you that's not possible. And I don't see why anyone would tamper with DH's actions, of all people.

DH targeting AM N1 doesn't make any sense if he's lying, with us getting confirmation of his role. I just... don't know what to make of anything right now. The public messages are really ****ing with me, as is AM's lack of results last Night.

To be clear. Yes, AM's confirmation of DH's action N1 moves me. JTB's actions being confirmed moves me too. And AM's confirmed your action too. With so many things confirmed, there are a lot of damn question marks.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So by PoE Nabe then?

 

[Kantrip]

That's basically where I've been, yes.

The lynch should be between me and Nabe. Everyone else is either ridiculously town or has had their action confirmed. Honestly no matter who is scum they're screwed, we have far too many clears for a win to be pulled off. Even if it's not one of me and Nabe, we have Dark Horse/Badwolf tier next. This is the tier that has had their action confirmed N1 but are still an enigma N2 and their play has been not townie. There could be a recruitment mechanic or something, idk.

So, this is basically what's going down:

Lynch Nabe or Potassium.

If that doesn't work out or the game is still going for whatever reason

Night Actions:

JTB paralyzes Potassium/Nabe
Red Ryu tracks Dark Horse
Dark Horse hastes Sword
Sword and Badwolf protect AM

The survivor of Potassium/Nabe will be essentially roleblocked.
JTB's action will be confirmed by the survivor of Potassium/Nabe.
RR will know where DH goes.
Sword should reach AM first because he will be hasted.
Badwolf's action should be confirmed by AM.

This is the last time I'll outline this. Any questions for me I'll answer, but I'm not gonna give myself more headaches on setup speculation.

Vote: Nabe

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

That's basically where I've been, yes.

The lynch should be between me and Nabe. Everyone else is either ridiculously town or has had their action confirmed. Honestly no matter who is scum they're screwed, we have far too many clears for a win to be pulled off. Even if it's not one of me and Nabe, we have Dark Horse/Badwolf tier next. This is the tier that has had their action confirmed N1 but are still an enigma N2 and their play has been not townie. There could be a recruitment mechanic or something, idk.

.... You're an idiot. I've been confirmed as town. Wtf are you doing?

Vote Potassium

Request votecount

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Whoops, parley that votecount. Just remembered last one.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Holy ****ing jeez Badwolf answer my question.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Look guys, confirming a role is nice but does not confirm alignment. Just because DH or whoever does indeed have a certain power doesn't mean that they don't have something else, it just makes it less likely that they're lying.

Kantrip you making the lynch between you and Naebe is logical but tbh I don't like the WIFOM of it. No one should really be comfortable with dying even if they are town.

Also RR should report not track, and I should consider protecting RR not AM.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Holy ****ing jeez Badwolf answer my question.

Clearly I have been able to untoggle, and that it does not target.

Pretty sure I've said this.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually RR what was the rational behind tracking people instead of reporting on them? Reporting seems like a more powerful ability imo.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Clearly I have been able to untoggle, and that it does not target.

Pretty sure I've said this.

Did Gova confirm for you that your ability does not target?

Also, answer my other question. Go into detail on Gova's notification of you being paralyzed.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

BW get back heeeeeerrrreeeeeee.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Did Gova confirm for you that your ability does not target?

Also, answer my other question. Go into detail on Gova's notification of you being paralyzed.

All it said was that I was paralyzed and I wasn't able to target anyone sans myself.

I didn't think it needed confirming if he confirmed that I've untoggled. If I hadn't been able to untoggle, I would have assumed that I would have needed to target him. Also I'm sure that I target on the toggle on.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Alright thanks.

Well I was hoping to find an inconsistency but nay, nothing. I guess that was expected.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I don't do inconsistencies.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Actually RR what was the rational behind tracking people instead of reporting on them? Reporting seems like a more powerful ability imo.

Tells me what they used but not where they went with it.

Also Gova wouldn't let the scum team get caught via just reporting on them unless they sent out the NK.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah telling where I'm planning on going is a bad idea.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Dark Horse, throw a vote down.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

GODDAMMIT. Photobucket is garbage.

JTB, where are you?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Uh. What if there was no NK because DH is mafia? I'm sure someone's mentioned already that that would solve every conflict. My thinking has been caught in the idea that my ability is checking alignments, but it's really custom-built for stopping NKS, which from mafia always stretch across two factions. That could be what we're seeing with DH.

Is there any reason he couldn't be mafia, via interactions?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Uggggh, my motivation for playing right now is hovering around 0. I guess I'll start catching up now

 

[Kantrip]

.... You're an idiot. I've been confirmed as town. Wtf are you doing?

Vote Potassium

Request votecount

Why, because some unclaimed ability said you are? I'm not trusting that when no one even knows where it's coming from. You're badtown, but by PoE there's not many other places to look.

@Sword: I'm not trying to make the lynch between us, but I'm saying if the rest of you guys have any sense you'll realize that's really the only place it can be. Obviously I'd much rather Nabe get lynched because I'm actually an asset to town and will continue to actually DO something, but yeah.

@RR: Why? My NA plan covers literally everything, what are you worried about stopping you?

@AM: Could I get input from you other than you just prodding inactives?

 

[Kantrip]

Uh. What if there was no NK because DH is mafia? I'm sure someone's mentioned already that that would solve every conflict. My thinking has been caught in the idea that my ability is checking alignments, but it's really custom-built for stopping NKS, which from mafia always stretch across two factions. That could be what we're seeing with DH.

Is there any reason he couldn't be mafia, via interactions?

ScumDH would still have his Haste power? Why would he use it on AM N1?