Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[Kantrip]

I'm waiting for AM to finish their read, this game is going so slowly it's getting dull.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How people interacted with PJB.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

How did people interact with PJB?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Gheb was the biggest one who was defending.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nabe, I know u can be lazy but just seatch Dark Horses Posts on D1 and tell me what u think of them.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ruy, I seem to recall you mentioning your investigation worked in other ways besides a reporter. What is the other investigate you have?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Sworddancer, what does your role actually do? From our understanding, it slows projectiles passing through the bubble but I'm curious if it stops kills or just delays them.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: If you're unsure, ask Gova.

We have been interpreting that your ability delayed NKs, and probably posted that at some point; however, we realized that might not be the case. Can you elaborate on which it is?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Sorry for the disappearance, one of us has got a new computer and has been thoroughly distracted (often dragging the other with him). The situation as it stands is why inactives are horrible. We have a pair of very, very blank slots with strange and powerful roles. We have DH who has not been all that active but, to his credit, looks mighty fine in comparison to JTB/Nabe. We have BadWolf, who at this point is the slot I think I like best, which is saying something because he has said some colossally stupid ****. We have Sworddancer who, if you'll recall, I fought extremely hard to save last day phase; however, right now, he and I have conflicting night action results, and I cannot figure out why. Nor can I figure out why, as scum, he would have claimed to have targeted the self-watcher when he did not. We have Ruy, who is our only claimed investigative in a game where Swiss' role is the only missing piece to the set-up. His role, also, is rather weak in a game where everyone has an action. On the whole, his play has been solid; however, I have nothing pointing toward a clear on him at the moment. My worries about this slot are mostly founded in paranoia. This is the competition for slot I like best at the moment. Finally, we have Kantrip, captain of the disgusting role claim committee. Mostly what I have on him is the convenience in his claim and night action choices and a series of null tells that disturb me (such as the way he jumped at my conspiracy theories) and the way he is so convinced that Gheb is our last mafiat (Laundry note: there are good implications it is Gheb, in my eyes, but it is not a foregone conclusion given his disappearance instead of his death).

We have not completed our reread, but we don't expect it to be very enlightening, considering we don't know whether or not we're looking for a third mafiat, an entirely new second mafia, or some sort of independent.

I want to figure out where to go with the night actions for this phase. I think I want to go with PoE until we have a better idea of what's going on with the neighbors, Swordy, and myself. I think we lynch one of the wonder twin inactives and orchestrate the correct night phase. My brain, right now, is just about fried from hammering my head into the set-up and the possible options when I don't have enough information to solve it. I'll figure it out tomorrow when I come back and you guys can probably help. I would advise more players stay home if they have extraneous night actions so Ruy's investigation is more potent but we have to advise who stays home. I also suggest we don't trust Kantrip as the only claimed kill at the moment. If Foxy and Gheb don't come back and there's another disappearance, assume abductor and try to find them before it's too late. If another person disappears and no NK happens, then you only have abductor. If a kill also occurs, then you still have a mafiat. Note: a kill on a night with an abduction clears Gheb/Foxy.

Deadline is Monday, we need to solve this tomorrow. I'll be there then. Sound legit?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ruy, I seem to recall you mentioning your investigation worked in other ways besides a reporter. What is the other investigate you have?

Tracker or Reporter, I do one or the other.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I delay kills only. So if someone shot you last Night then you should be bead by toMorrow mourning.

Sorry for absence, I've been v/la since yesterDay and will continue to be toDay. I'm thinking we should just dogpile JTB for taking way too long to oblige a simple request.

vote: JTB

 

[Kantrip]

I want to work out the best way we can do these Night actions so that everyone is covered by someone else.

 

[Kantrip]

I delay kills only. So if someone shot you last Night then you should be bead by toMorrow mourning.

Sorry for absence, I've been v/la since yesterDay and will continue to be toDay. I'm thinking we should just dogpile JTB for taking way too long to oblige a simple request.

vote: JTB

If someone shot AM last night they would be dead because you weren't on them.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Sorry all -- family johns, time johns, cupcake johns.

Should have time to read and post tonight maybe sort of.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

If someone shot AM last night they would be dead because you weren't on them.

What's weirder is the "watered down" ability we got was straight-up better than what his claim is.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

We have BadWolf, who at this point is the slot I think I like best, which is saying something because he has said some colossally stupid ****.

Can you give me some numbers on how much you think you might be dead? I don't want to waste my power on someone who's not going to survive anyway.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Holy **** that's a big picture.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

On one hand I don't like JTB's play, on the other I don't see his targets being confirmed by both making sense from a scum POV.

Nabe's got his targets but I wanna hear more before we move further into him.

Kantrip bugging me more.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Kantrip I was just giving an example of how the role works. Like, if I protected player X, and X was shot, then X wouldn't die for a phase.

@AM: Not really. You simply roleblock the single first action in NAR, I stop a kill for a phase.

Anyways, I'm thinking this.

JTB lynched. If he flips town: Nabe magnetizes RR, RR tracks/reports on Kantrip, I (maybe) protect Nabe, DH winds RR.

This should confirm rather or not RR and Kantrip are the same alignment from Nabe's power. DH wind should make it so that RR's power can't be interfered with. We might want to use my power on Nabe to confirm rather or not Kantrip gets through and DH i being legit, but obviously the problem with this is that Kantrip's power is only 50/50 so it won't really confirm anything.

Alternatively, we could have like, everyone target AM to confirm flavor, but I highly doubt that anyone's going to lie about that. We might be able to figure something out about the natures of everyone's role through this action, but again I find that unlikely.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

On one hand I don't like JTB's play, on the other I don't see his targets being confirmed by both making sense from a scum POV.

Nabe's got his targets but I wanna hear more before we move further into him.

Kantrip bugging me more.

Can you reword the first line. "On the other hand I don't see his targets being confirmed by both making sense from a scum POV." Did you mean to say a town POV? Because from the sound of it it sounds like you don't like JTB because of the people he targeted.

I don't think us having confirmation that he can "paralyze" people really says too much about alignment, although it doesn't serve to make him scummier either.

Anyways, why Kantrip?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm saying I don't like his play but his target, confirmed targets no less, make me less think JTB makes sense as scum, even less so on my reread.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't like Kantrip's responses to AM.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well that and his thoughts on Gheb and his theories.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Why not?

Also what do you think of my Night action plan?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Errr, scratch the first question, I'm a little tired right now.

"Why not?" should be "What about Kantrip's responses you don't like?"

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Holy **** that's a big picture.

What picture?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

...LA until tonight

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

What picture?

Can you give me some numbers on how much you think you might be dead? I don't want to waste my power on someone who's not going to survive anyway.

I still need you to answer that anyway :/

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod: Request Deadline Extention

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Errr, scratch the first question, I'm a little tired right now.

"Why not?" should be "What about Kantrip's responses you don't like?"

Let me restate this with JTB's play since this goes with my thought process.

JTB has targetted Nabe/Hando and Badwolf with his thunder power. The mod confirmed that JTB did this to both of them. We know where he went both nights. Let's say hypathetical, he is mafia. Would it be more beneficial to target Hando and Badwolf from a scum PoV? Hando sort of because he crumbed a powerful role on D1. So it is possible for him to do this as scum. Badwolf? Not really, I see other players being a prime priority if I were scum. JTB doesn't gain from doing this, nor outright claiming it. Reading back at his actions it doesn't really hold up that much to me from a scum PoV to make those actions. He could have been just looking for town PRs but it's clear someone else is doing the screw-ups with you, DH and AM. Mafia is not a 4 man team, I refuse to consider that. Someone else is causing the conflict here.

Kantrip bugs me more because he shows he has more than what he is telling. He could be jumping the gun as town with auto calling Gheb scum. Still with the limited knowledge, why does he assume Gheb is mafia with no flip given nor any other info to make it clear Gheb is/was scum.

Kantrip is the one who is bugging me more and more when I rethink what he said.

 

[Kantrip]

Show I know more than I'm telling? Is no one else seeing how blatantly Gheb defended both our flipped scummers? How hard he steered for JTB when we were choosing an inactive? How hard he continued pushing for Sword after AM confirmed his action? How hard he swapped his stance on PJB? How little his justification for that made sense? Gheb is so scummy, and being removed from the game doesn't change that.

As for what you're saying with JTB: I find it a null tell because he could easily choose Badwolf simply because it doesn't have scum intent, just so someone like you can come around and say "look there's no scum intent". WIFOM all around. I still find it strange that both of JTB's targets were the people who had stuff publicly announced about them.

That said, I dislike Nabe's slot more, after thinking on it. Handorin's reads have been unexplained and unorthodox all game. They seem disingenuous because I don't see the thought process at all and it didn't help that Handorin lurked out the game rather than explaining his "Foxy and Kantrip scum with PJB (I think that's what it was)" read. He rode the PJB wagon because it was easy, and then when Nabe came in he essentially did the same thing by giving his vote to Ruy, and indirectly ending up sitting on the FF wagon. Chance of that slot being mafia for me is next to 0, but indy is a succinct possibility because none of the slot's actions all game have been proactive and none of its reads explained. Very lazy. Actions also haven't been confirmed at all. I feel like "someone was magnetized" could very well be what messed with AM.

To try to please everyone going into the Night after a Nabe lynch, I propose the following:

JTB paralyzes me. This is an action which I can confirm because it tells the player it targeted.
Ruy Tracks Dark Horse. DH is another potential question mark. Seeing where he goes is a great boon.
Badwolf toggles onto Sword who protects AM again.

Vote: Nabe

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

To be fair to Kantrip RR, him going after Gheb lines up with his play earlier. At the end of Day 1 he stated that upon a PJB scum flip he would be looking at Gheb, and on a PJB town flip he'll be looking at S&C. PJB did flip scum and before going after me Kantrip did indeed go after Gheb.

The only that bothers me about Kantrip is that his role is safe in the sense that it's unprovable, but unless we can prove everyone else's role I'm not going to lynch him based just off that.

I am perturbed by DH and JTB. JTB I know you have a history of being inactive, and I've kinda put this game on the self myself but you were asked a pretty simple request and I don't think it should have taken you this long. DH I'm displeased with you simply for never being here.

Kantrip I agree with your Night action choice and would like to insert that if we lynch Nabe toDay then DH should wind RR.

@Nabe: Does magnetism work all game?

I need to pick between Nabe, DH, and JTB for who I want gone toDay. Give me tonight and hopefully I'll come up with an answer.

@MOD: Request prods on DH and JTB.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@MOD: Request prods on DH and JTB.

Bolding my request.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Chance of that slot being mafia for me is next to 0, but indy is a succinct possibility

a) You are seriously positing this read on me and going for a lynch on that front when

• you haven't pointed out what if anything motivated you to think there's an indy in the setup at all
• you're saying that you think I'm indy, not because you think there's an indy, but because you think I'm scummy, and not mafia
• mafia are still around (and you say I'm not mafia) but you're pursuing my lynch anyway

b) "distinct"


It has been far too long since I've told someone in mafia to die in a fire go home and have a strong black coffee
but this situation calls for it. My role (if town (which I am)) is investigative and protective, and you want to lynch me on a whim? Tell me how this is driven by logic, rather than by you tiptoeing away from suspicions of AM and RR.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Does magnetism work all game?

No.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If we have to lynch between those 3 I'd lynch Nabe, thoughts on JTB with what I posted?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Being real

Vote: Kantrip

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Show I know more than I'm telling? Is no one else seeing how blatantly Gheb defended both our flipped scummers? How hard he steered for JTB when we were choosing an inactive? How hard he continued pushing for Sword after AM confirmed his action? How hard he swapped his stance on PJB? How little his justification for that made sense? Gheb is so scummy, and being removed from the game doesn't change that.

As for what you're saying with JTB: I find it a null tell because he could easily choose Badwolf simply because it doesn't have scum intent, just so someone like you can come around and say "look there's no scum intent". WIFOM all around. I still find it strange that both of JTB's targets were the people who had stuff publicly announced about them.

That said, I dislike Nabe's slot more, after thinking on it. Handorin's reads have been unexplained and unorthodox all game. They seem disingenuous because I don't see the thought process at all and it didn't help that Handorin lurked out the game rather than explaining his "Foxy and Kantrip scum with PJB (I think that's what it was)" read. He rode the PJB wagon because it was easy, and then when Nabe came in he essentially did the same thing by giving his vote to Ruy, and indirectly ending up sitting on the FF wagon. Chance of that slot being mafia for me is next to 0, but indy is a succinct possibility because none of the slot's actions all game have been proactive and none of its reads explained. Very lazy. Actions also haven't been confirmed at all. I feel like "someone was magnetized" could very well be what messed with AM.

To try to please everyone going into the Night after a Nabe lynch, I propose the following:

JTB paralyzes me. This is an action which I can confirm because it tells the player it targeted.
Ruy Tracks Dark Horse. DH is another potential question mark. Seeing where he goes is a great boon.
Badwolf toggles onto Sword who protects AM again.

Vote: Nabe

You spread an Indy scare then try and link him to being mafia?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swords reread what Kantrip posted today, I know he tends to over think as town but I really think this is beyond the norm.

He pushed Gheb, I agree and think that makes sense.
Calling him Auto mafia then the Pprach today does not make sense to me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh but I'm already rereading DH. I have so much to do tonight. =/