Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll try and make it more clear when I post after work. Or during if I figure it out.

 

[Kantrip]

You spread an Indy scare then try and link him to being mafia?

What is the indy scare?

Gheb has always been mafia. And I have been trying to kill him since N1. I don't see what you're on about, this isn't a new thing. I want Gheb very dead.

 

[Kantrip]

a) You are seriously positing this read on me and going for a lynch on that front when

• you haven't pointed out what if anything motivated you to think there's an indy in the setup at all

It's pretty obvious at this point. Something messed with Sword getting to AM, the anonymous messages at the start of the Day have gone unaccounted for, and there's really always an indy, as AM said. DGames golden rule. But really, everyone's banking on the presence of an indy at this point.

• you're saying that you think I'm indy, not because you think there's an indy, but because you think I'm scummy, and not mafia

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Strictly untrue. I think there's an indy, as covered by the previous point. Also, I don't see what's wrong with thinking your slot's lurking, opportunism, unexplained disingenuous reads

• mafia are still around (and you say I'm not mafia) but you're pursuing my lynch anyway

What makes you say mafia are still around? There was no Night Kill last Night, is there really any proof we're dealing with more than a PJB/FF team? I do think Gheb is on their team (or possibly a traitor which explains his sticking his neck out for his mates more), but what has you thinking there's more proof to any more mafia than there is to an indy?

This is a very poor defense.

b) "distinct"

Caught me on this one though, lol

It has been far too long since I've told someone in mafia to die in a fire go home and have a strong black coffee
but this situation calls for it. My role (if town (which I am)) is investigative and protective, and you want to lynch me on a whim? Tell me how this is driven by logic, rather than by you tiptoeing away from suspicions of AM and RR.

This is me deciding between two crapshoot **** inactive slots in this game based on what I have to work with. JTB's actions have been confirmed, yours haven't. Play-wise, I dislike you and Hando more. This is not a whim. You know people have been narrowing their lists down to you and JTB and you are blowing this out of proportion on me to try to save yourself.

Grimy defense all around.

 

[Kantrip]

Formatting went to hell there. Silly unordered list and quote interactions.

"Strictly untrue. I think there's an indy, as covered by the previous point. Also, I don't see what's wrong with thinking your slot's lurking, opportunism, unexplained disingenuous reads are all-around scummy while thinking you don't make sense on a PJB/FF team"

should be the second point

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What is the indy scare?

Gheb has always been mafia. And I have been trying to kill him since N1. I don't see what you're on about, this isn't a new thing. I want Gheb very dead.

Trying to kill, yes.

But you don't have a flip and foxy gone as well. Why would this point to mafia when we don't have any info anout them. You've been saying Indy is left yet you still think Nabe can be mafia even thought Gheb and Nabe being mafia is kinda ludicrous.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Trying to kill, yes.

But you don't have a flip and foxy gone as well. Why would this point to mafia when we don't have any info anout them. You've been saying Indy is left yet you still think Nabe can be mafia even thought Gheb and Nabe being mafia is kinda ludicrous.

This isn't true at all. Kantrip is saying that Nabe is indie and Gheb mafia. He never at any point accused Nabe of being mafia.

I'm dead tired, I'm probably going to go to sleep soon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm not assuming Gheb is mafia til Foxy comes back and talks more about what they did and do.

Kantrip is assuming Gheb is mafia without a flip.kantrip doesn't think Nabe is an Indy, just not town which doesn't work with his assurance that Gjeb has to be mafia, and him dropping the Indy bomb first, OS Indy tell.

 

[Kantrip]

Trying to kill, yes.

But you don't have a flip and foxy gone as well. Why would this point to mafia when we don't have any info anout them. You've been saying Indy is left yet you still think Nabe can be mafia even thought Gheb and Nabe being mafia is kinda ludicrous.

Nabe cannot be mafia. Did you read my post? I said is 0% mafia. The last mafia is Gheb.

 

[Kantrip]

Nabe is indy dumb dumb

geez

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What does that make Foxy?
Why did Goxy go with him?

If and when they comeback we can ask them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also what separates Nabe from JTB?

 

[Kantrip]

What does that make Foxy?
Why did Goxy go with him?

If and when they comeback we can ask them.

Foxy is town.
Gheb and Foxy are neighbours, not typically a life-linked role. Mafia wouldn't be life-linked to town, them leaving was an ability they gained after becoming neighbours I'm pretty sure. Gheb convinced Foxy to commute, or Foxy might not have had control over stopping it.
They'll almost assuredly be coming back, as I don't think the indy is an abductor (seeing as we're dealing with public messages AND something stopping AM from getting Sword's ability). An abductor would be absurd on top of that.

Been over all this.

 

[Kantrip]

Also what separates Nabe from JTB?

JTB's ability has been confirmed, while nothing about Nabe's has been except the public "Someone has been magnetized' that we got only after N1.
Handorin's reads didn't make sense and went unexplained.
Been getting all-around bad vibes from (mostly Hando) the slot (but Nabe's responses to me bringing up me disliking him were gross too).

Been over all this.

 

[Kantrip]

Like honestly I feel like I've been over everything and this is really tiring me out.

Lynch Nabe, follow my Night Action plan (which includes me being roleblocked for those of you paranoid), we see who the liar is, we lynch them. GG

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So Gheb removed them both as he as mafias wants to dodge this day phase?

If it was a joint I sincerely doubt Foxy would follow Gheb like a lap dog after FFs flip. It's possible Gheb or Foxy has an answer for what happened.

You never posted any kind of thought that this could be a thing and went for Gheb mafia and an Indy bomb before you voted nabe.

 

[Kantrip]

So Gheb removed them both as he as mafias wants to dodge this day phase?

If it was a joint I sincerely doubt Foxy would follow Gheb like a lap dog after FFs flip. It's possible Gheb or Foxy has an answer for what happened.

You never posted any kind of thought that this could be a thing and went for Gheb mafia and an Indy bomb before you voted nabe.

Umm... excuse me? Immediately following the mass-claim when talking to AM I laid out EXACTLY what I thought this could be. I went into excruciating detail about the options.

It's also possible it's some sort of passive response to being shot. Could be my shot on Gheb went through which cause this instead (both of them leaving for a phase). I don't really know what the mechanic is, but I know it's shared between them because neighbours are not life-linked, and I know it's not an abductor because there's other **** going on in this game that's already unexplained enough for there to be an abductor in the setup.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If Foxy followed Gheb on NAs after D2 just *facepalm*

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Uh
Vote: Kantrip

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Uh
Vote: Kantrip

That moment when your world is tilted by one post.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't think the indy is an abductor (seeing as we're dealing with public messages AND something stopping AM from getting Sword's ability). An abductor would be absurd on top of that.

What in actual **** are you spouting? Why would there be an indy who fakes public messages? Why would there be an indy who... intercepts AM's ability absorption? What's the wincon? And why does it seem enormously strange that these non-existent things are your reasons for excluding the possibility of an abductor?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Look I don't is a good lynch because some screwed with DH Swords and AM, he was confirmed somewhere else by two different slots on the days.

If he has a NK and another power to screw with people I would find it very hard to believe.

He isn't instant town but I don't think he was messing with anyone over at the other end of town.

Nabe claimed a very powerful role. Being fair Hando was sort of seen crumbling a strong PR early on.

Nabe hasn't put the stance up and up. He made a strong rebuttal against you, but not on players in the game like we've asked.

DH is just, uh here after pushing hard on PJB day 1.

And I don't like your play this phase a lot.

Give me a low down on the players in the game, you say Nabe makes the most sense but a lot if your reasoning can be applied to most of the Inactoves.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Like honestly I feel like I've been over everything and this is really tiring me out.

Lynch Nabe, follow my Night Action plan (which includes me being roleblocked for those of you paranoid), we see who the liar is, we lynch them. GG

No, literally die. My action investigates across all factions by forming hard links between players' alignments. It has the potential to exponentially report on alignments as results build up. And it's provable.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What about DH and Swords Nabe? Neither action hit AM.

 

[Kantrip]

No, literally die. My action investigates across all factions by forming hard links between players' alignments. It has the potential to exponentially report on alignments as results build up. And it's provable.

There is no proof your action exists. You can say you targeted two people, have their actions go through (or not go through since the indy seems to have some sort of manipulative power), and say "look I proved my ability."

Not convinced.

 

[Kantrip]

If Foxy followed Gheb on NAs after D2 just *facepalm*

Well I mean, they followed him with pushing for Sword yesterDay if you remember that. I could see it.

 

[Kantrip]

What in actual **** are you spouting? Why would there be an indy who fakes public messages? Why would there be an indy who... intercepts AM's ability absorption? What's the wincon? And why does it seem enormously strange that these non-existent things are your reasons for excluding the possibility of an abductor?

Probably has a lot of abilities. All I know are those are anti-town things that have remained unclaimed. What's your explanation for who's responsible for these things? Haven't seen you propose any ideas, all you've done is attacked me for pressuring you.

 

[Kantrip]

Look I don't is a good lynch because some screwed with DH Swords and AM, he was confirmed somewhere else by two different slots on the days.

If he has a NK and another power to screw with people I would find it very hard to believe.

He isn't instant town but I don't think he was messing with anyone over at the other end of town.

Nabe claimed a very powerful role. Being fair Hando was sort of seen crumbling a strong PR early on.

Nabe hasn't put the stance up and up. He made a strong rebuttal against you, but not on players in the game like we've asked.

DH is just, uh here after pushing hard on PJB day 1.

And I don't like your play this phase a lot.

Give me a low down on the players in the game, you say Nabe makes the most sense but a lot if your reasoning can be applied to most of the Inactoves.

JTB's ability is pretty much legit, and I don't see him having the ability to do multiple things at the same time. I am honestly not worried about him. (Yes I know this is a big jump from him being in my top 2 suspects but really what could he be doing if his targets confirm paralysis? Only thing that's fishy is the announcements being on his targets but probably coincidence)

Badwolf's ability being confirmed on AM and his all-around play that I've been reading since D1 makes him super town as well. Not worried about him.

You've been the towniest slot play-wise all game. Not the smartest or best, but the most transparent with your alignment. I'm not worried about you.

Any worry on AM would just be paranoia. While never unwarranted with a Ryker slot, I'm not worried about them at this point.

Something's strange with Sword's ability not reaching AM. AM also brings up a good point that his "watered down" version of Sword's ability being weaker is strange. That said, I have minimal worry with Sword and I'm pretty sure he's fine.

Foxy worries me only in how they're mindlessly sheeping Gheb even when Gheb is being forcefully wrong. That said, I still don't think they're a problem.

Gheb isn't in the game right now, but I am very confident in my mafia/mafia traitor read on him based on connections to the maf team.

Dark Horse? I really don't remember anything except he has a Haste power that has been confirmed by AM through AM's passive ability. We know what he was doing N1, but not sure on N2. Dead null, by PoE he'd have to be my second indy read but still doubtful.

Nabe, from PoE, is honestly the only option I can see. If I'm wrong, we carry out with my Night Action plan. Like, all my qualms with Hando aside, and how much wagon jumping the slot has done, and how the action isn't confirmed, I just really can't see an indy being any other slot.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well I mean, they followed him with pushing for Sword yesterDay if you remember that. I could see it.

FF flipped mafia, if they wouldn't second guess Gheb on that....like, why not second guess with that flip.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

JTB's ability is pretty much legit, and I don't see him having the ability to do multiple things at the same time. I am honestly not worried about him. (Yes I know this is a big jump from him being in my top 2 suspects but really what could he be doing if his targets confirm paralysis? Only thing that's fishy is the announcements being on his targets but probably coincidence)

Yet,

As for what you're saying with JTB: I find it a null tell because he could easily choose Badwolf simply because it doesn't have scum intent, just so someone like you can come around and say "look there's no scum intent". WIFOM all around. I still find it strange that both of JTB's targets were the people who had stuff publicly announced about them

Right....

 

[Kantrip]

FF flipped mafia, if they wouldn't second guess Gheb on that....like, why not second guess with that flip.

I dunno man. I'm not really worried about what Foxy thinks of Gheb though. It's all fine and dandy trying to guess at the mechanic that cause them both to evacuate the game, but it doesn't affect Gheb's play prior, nor does it affect what our focus is right now.

Right now, Gheb and Foxy aren't in the game. What matters is what we do right now. RR, what is your pool of players you think could be mafia/indy, and your pool of players who you are really comfortable with?

 

[Kantrip]

Yet,




Right....

Yeah, I realized that while the targeting is null, it still confirms he wasn't screwing with Sword's ability to target AM. That's something I wasn't thinking about making that first post.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I dunno man. I'm not really worried about what Foxy thinks of Gheb though. It's all fine and dandy trying to guess at the mechanic that cause them both to evacuate the game, but it doesn't affect Gheb's play prior, nor does it affect what our focus is right now.

Right now, Gheb and Foxy aren't in the game. What matters is what we do right now. RR, what is your pool of players you think could be mafia/indy, and your pool of players who you are really comfortable with?

You are my #1 for Indy.

Nabe is my back-up because, well he is also my pick for scum from PoE if not DH.

I don't like how you approached today, but Nabe didn't rectify a lot of the things Hando didn't do. Hi reponses however, we pretty legitimate. Even I thought he had a point.

If you're town, help me out here.

Outside of Nabe what is the issue here, if Nabe is town then there is a problem between Swords and DH. What do we do there?

 

[Kantrip]

Wait a sec.

Nothing affected DH, because then something still would have had to happen to Sword as well.

But if DH hasted Sword (which couldn't have been messed with, see above sentence), then Sword couldn't have been messed with either.

This means something either affected AM's ability to receive abilities, or DH is lying. Huh. This is something I haven't thought through all the way.

"Someone was magnetized." What do you think this means, Ruy? And what do you make of the message at the start of this Day?

And to be clear, your pool is me, Nabe, and DH? So lynching one of us and making sure Night actions cover the other two is totally an option for you? And you trust JTB? Well this game is in the bag then and it really doesn't matter what we do.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait another second.

JTB did paralyze Nabe N1, right? Paralyze acts in the NAR roleblocking would, meaning Nabe couldn't have gotten anything off first? What I'm getting at here is the possibility of Nabe interfering with AM's passive. If that's not possible due to Nabe being paralyzed N1, then my indy read will be impossible.

**** this game. So hard to sort through all these actions.

Ruy, tell me I'm not crazy. Nabe can't have done anything N1, right? And Sword and DH, their actions couldn't have both been messed with last Night, right?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote


Potassium

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deadline is today, where is everyone?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Request votecount

 

[Gova]

JTB and DH were prodded yesterday.

1. Nabe (K)
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
6. JTB (Sword)
8. Potassium (RR, Nabe)
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()

Not voting: BW, DH, JTB, AM

With 8 playing it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 24th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

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