Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 Rumor/Leak Discussion Thread

[Neo Zero]

If the chance of it being real is around 10%, it is likely to be fake. You guys can laugh at us when this is revealed and you guys rejoice that you finally get Ridley, don't worry I will dance with you. However until then this is 90% fake or even higher than that.

I'd hope none of us are so petty to rub it in peoples faces

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

But seriously, next time try not to debunk a leak that fast. We have nothing to talk about anymore now. Except if we agree on trying to fill the locks with some characters.
I think most of the rosters could happen if you switch Mewtwo with Sceptile.

Still, 51 characters... Are we sure the bottom right box is random ? We can assume that because of the red color, but which pic showed us the "r" or at least the beginning of a word on the box ?

 

[Kalimdori]

Just being curious (I glitch hunted a game for 6 months so I'm interested), is a soft lock which is not a crash but prevent you from progressing is considered as an a? It doesn;t crash the game but it breaks it.

Yes. Basically, an A bug is something that prevents you from progressing in the game. This includes crashes, soft locks, and obscenely long loading times.

But this is off topic, back to the leak

 

[MasterofMonster]

But seriously, next time try not to debunk a leak that fast. We have nothing to talk about anymore now. Except if we agree on trying to fill the locks with some characters.
I think most of the rosters could happen if you switch Mewtwo with Sceptile.

Still, 51 characters... Are we sure the bottom right box is random ? We can assume that because of the red color, but which pic showed us the "r" or at least the beginning of a word on the box ?

Actually, this leak has 50 characters, if the bottom left Square is the Random Button. ^^

 

[aldelaro5]

But seriously, next time try not to debunk a leak that fast. We have nothing to talk about anymore now. Except if we agree on trying to fill the locks with some characters.
I think most of the rosters could happen if you switch Mewtwo with Sceptile.

Still, 51 characters... Are we sure the bottom right box is random ? We can assume that because of the red color, but which pic showed us the "r" or at least the beginning of a word on the box ?

? and an R

But tbh, it took long enough for me to remember forever this moment. A FREAKING PIXEL it just shows how details are indeed important.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Actually, this leak has 50 characters, if the bottom left Square is the Random Button. ^^

Ups, sorry I meant 50.

? and an R

But tbh, it took long enough for me to remember forever this moment. A FREAKING PIXEL it just shows how details are indeed important.

Looks like the top of the name of the random square is not aligned with the square on its left too.

 

[MasterofMonster]

^ No worries, Yoshi. ^^ Also, In that pic above, am I the only one seeing that tiny Red part of what is most likely the Random Button?

 

[Neo Zero]

? and an R

But tbh, it took long enough for me to remember forever this moment. A FREAKING PIXEL it just shows how details are indeed important.

Does anyone use 4chan btw? I'm curious if someone can try getting in touch with him, pointing out the pixel issue concerning Ridley. I think we could argue both ways for a while, but I feel the better course of action right now is to try and get his attention and point out the largest flaw, and then see his reaction. It's how the RosalinaX thing was debunked correct? It might be best to take a direct approach here.

Regardless, you crazy kids have fun, I'm going to sleep. Faito!

 

[Kalimdori]

Looks like the top of the name of the random square is not aligned with the square on its left too.

Nah, its aligned, its just the angle.

^ No worries, Yoshi. ^^ Also, In that pic above, am I the only one seeing that tiny Red part of what is most likely the Random Button?

Yes, as has been stated previously XD

Sleeping now... will further argue in the morning...

 

[MasterofMonster]

Nah, its aligned, its just the angle.


Yes, as has been stated previously XD

Sleeping now... will further argue in the morning...

Ah, I see then. ^^ Do we know what it (most likely) is?

 

[Bauske]

So uhhhh... what's everyone's reaction going to be if E3 comes and this character select screen is real?

 

[GamerGuy09]

Let's Recap!:

Pics 1 and 2:

These 2 "photos" are the things that started this whole conundrum! It showed us a slew of 50 character slots with most of them locked! Some announced veterans and newcomers said to be in this roster and are locked. This could be because that they aren't "Ready". Marth is the character supposedly selected because he is on the bottom character viewer, and a Hockey Puck thing is over him. The border of his portrait is red because of that. You can also see a "Colors" tab in the top right, the OP stated that this allowed you to create your own custom colors.

Pic 3:

Pic three was shown a few dozen minutes after the first 2. This was shown a slanted angle which also revealed Mega Man and Little Mac, who were previously locked the the first 2 pictures. The reason the OP stated was that there were 2 versions, a Best Buy version and a Invitational version. However you could slightly see a blue square and the letter Y with a bit of purple. The icon under it shown that it was selected by player 2 and was from the Metroid series. This could be none other than Ridley. However the name plate of Ridley was 1 pixel higher than the other name plates. This seems to indicate it to be a fake leak. It was thought to be made when the poster pasted the Ridley slot over the Locked slot.

Pic 4:

Another Picture. This picture was a more zoomed in version of Mega Man and Little Mac. However you could see a bit of another slot that is in the bottom right corner. It is said to be the Random Button and that there is a piece of red which signals to be a red question mark. Under the name plate you can see something that is either a P or an R, however it is mostly R for Random.

Pic 5:

Pic 5 was weird angle that was zoomed in. It clearly showed Pac-Man in the bottom right. However it used known art. Another thing is that Ridley was way closer than he previously was. This could have easily been made with Pic 4 and rotated a bit. His name plate also used a thinner font, which proves it to be a copy-cat fake.

Pic 6:

The Final Pic! It shows a more clearer version of the left side which shows Mario, Link, and Pikachu. This was said to be from the original poster. However he also adds that Ridley is unlocked after beating the Tournament mode, this more than proves this is the same guy who made the first 4 pictures. He said he will now delete these pictures off of his Phone.

 

[theinstituter]

So uhhhh... what's everyone's reaction going to be if E3 comes and this character select screen is real?

I'd be surprised, and happy.

thats it

 

[MasterofMonster]

So uhhhh... what's everyone's reaction going to be if E3 comes and this character select screen is real?

Ahem. "RIDLEY!!!"

Three weeks later I will Wake up in a hospital.

But nah, I will be happy, as it would not only have my most wanted character, but it would be in the Roster size I was most hoping for.

 

[GamerGuy09]

So uhhhh... what's everyone's reaction going to be if E3 comes and this character select screen is real?

Pretty happy, the design looks honestly pretty cool. I'm just stating facts. I don't care either way.

 

[Kaios0]

Well there goes hype.

Time to wait 16 days.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

So uhhhh... what's everyone's reaction going to be if E3 comes and this character select screen is real?

This would be my reaction to a T:

Spoiler

o_o..."Wait, what?"

 

[JCAndre]

Have we considered that Ridley is so big it ruins the proportions of his box once he is unlocked?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So what's the buzz? Fake or not? I'm not reading through the 736 messages since yesterday.

 

[Arcadenik]

So, is this the consensus about the SSB4 roster according to leaks and rumors?

Brawl roster - Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake
Chorus Men
Chrom
Dixie Kong OR King K. Rool
Greninja
Little Mac
Mega Man
Mii
Pac-Man
Palutena
Ridley OR Anthony
Rosalina
Shulk
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer

Umm... I guess I could tolerate these newcomer choices... and live with the SSB4 final roster if the leaks and rumors are true.

 

[GamerGuy09]

So what's the buzz? Fake or not? I'm not reading through the 736 messages since yesterday.

It's most likely to be fake.

There is a Pixel Difference between Ridley's name plate and Pit's.

Also, I would really enjoy someone providing me with the pictures to put in the Recap.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

I'm desperately hoping that the Gematsu leak is only partly true and that the space in between Wii Fit Trainer and Sonic is Snake instead of the Miis, but things are admittedly looking bleak for our favorite chain-smoking cardboard box enthusiast.

 

[UpsilonFox]

It's most likely to be fake.

There is a Pixel Difference between Ridley's name plate and Pit's.

Also, I would really enjoy someone providing me with the pictures to put in the Recap.

Here is pic 1/2 http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE...h_bros_4_4chan_leak_by_lucas_zero-d7jlnus.png

 

[Mamp]

Some arguments against this leak:

• The leaker's excuse for Mega Man, Ridley, and Little Mac being present in the third picture but not the first two is strange and seems implausible. Why would Mega Man and Little Mac, two of the most hyped and marketed newcomers, not be available to be played in the demo, when their presence in the tourney version shows that they are ready to be played? Why would they make two slightly different versions of the same demo for seemingly no benefit?
• In addition, having characters be unlocked on the demo throughout the day seems weird and unfair to people who only have an opportunity to play the demo early on in the day.
• The graphics look too pixelated to be from an HD game.
• Wii Fit Trainer's name is stylised differently than how it is in the Direct and on the official website.
• The leaker has not gotten a picture of Ridley's icon on the character select screen, which seems very fishy. Why would he only hint at Ridley and not get a clean pic of him unless this was fake and he didn't have an original piece of artwork to put there?
• Ridley's name box is a pixel too high.
• The cursor is AWOL.
• If the 3's are CPU levels, that's a really dumb place to put them, as they will be obscured by the character portrait.
• It seems very unlikely that Bowser would be absent, as he was in the original trailer, and presumably they would want to show off the changes they made to him. Ditto Diddy Kong, but to a lesser extent.
• The 'Colors' box is odd. The old method of changing between alt colours was simple and intuitive, this seems like it would only make it more difficult to change between alts. If it is a way of making custom palettes like some have suggested, it doesn't really seem like the sort of thing to have in a demo.
• It seems far too early to be setting up the booths, a full 2 and a half weeks before E3.
• It's from 4chan, which is known for a long history of fake leaks.

Many of these can be explained away or excused, but taken together they seem very damning. I personally think this leak is fake, but I could be wrong.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

Some arguments against this leak:

• The leaker's excuse for Mega Man, Ridley, and Little Mac being present in the third picture but not the first two is strange and seems implausible. Why would Mega Man and Little Mac, two of the most hyped and marketed newcomers, not be available to be played in the demo, when their presence in the tourney version shows that they are ready to be played? Why would they make two slightly different versions of the same demo for seemingly no benefit?
• In addition, having characters be unlocked on the demo throughout the day seems weird and unfair to people who only have an opportunity to play the demo early on in the day.
• The graphics look too pixelated to be from an HD game.
• Wii Fit Trainer's name is stylised differently than how it is in the Direct and on the official website.
• The leaker has not gotten a picture of Ridley's icon on the character select screen, which seems very fishy. Why would he only hint at Ridley and not get a clean pic of him unless this was fake and he didn't have an original piece of artwork to put there?
• Ridley's name box is a pixel too high.
• The cursor is AWOL.
• If the 3's are CPU levels, that's a really dumb place to put them, as they will be obscured by the character portrait.
• It seems very unlikely that Bowser would be absent, as he was in the original trailer, and presumably they would want to show off the changes they made to him. Ditto Diddy Kong, but to a lesser extent.
• The 'Colors' box is odd. The old method of changing between alt colours was simple and intuitive, this seems like it would only make it more difficult to change between alts. If it is a way of making custom palettes like some have suggested, it doesn't really seem like the sort of thing to have in a demo.
• It seems far too early to be setting up the booths, a full 2 and a half weeks before E3.
• It's from 4chan, which is known for a long history of fake leaks.

Many of these can be explained away or excused, but taken together they seem very damning. I personally think this leak is fake, but I could be wrong.

I think what makes it credible to me is the sheer level of detail seems far too elaborate for a fake. I think maybe some of the pictures are fake, but I don't think the first two or the last one are. Something to keep in mind is that this is the demo CSS, NOT the final CSS, and so some of the anomalies may just be things that are unfinished or temporary.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Also, I would really enjoy someone providing me with the pictures to put in the Recap.

Here's 2 more that FLYINGDAVEno2 didn't post.

Spoiler

 

[GamerGuy09]

Finally done with my Recap Post. Tell me if I need to add anything.

 

[Staarih]

The leak is very interesting, especially the two first pics. They look really professional, and the character selections looks like it would be on a demo version (and just tease with all the locks to give us an idea about the total amount of characters). The Ridley pic is a downer though, are we sure it's from the same source?

Also here's a crazy theory for the 1 pixel thing: as we can see, Marth is transparent while P1 is on top of him. Isn't that what happens when you just hover the puck on the players? So what if when you actually _pick_ the player, the pixels move a bit as the icon changes according to the character you choose. So in Ridley's pic, maybe he's, well, chosen. His icon is also pretty dark so maybe the normal white background changes into black when chosen. I'm totally missing something here which debunks this theory haha, but that was just something that came to mind. A bit weird the photo didn't just SHOW us Ridley though.

 

[Glaciacott]

Um, I know you guys love your pixels and all, but top left corner, in that red box ... wth kind of letter is that supposed to be?

I mean, in the first pic, it looks like an "e" above Mario and Luigi. But in that last pic showing the left side of the menu, that doesn't look quite possible. Not that this proves or disproves anything, I just want to know what character that could be since this time there's no "Melee" or "Brawl" ... could it be the Smash logo?

 

[leprechaunlink727]

Um, I know you guys love your pixels and all, but top left corner, in that red box ... wth kind of letter is that supposed to be?

I mean, in the first pic, it looks like an "e" above Mario and Luigi. But in that last pic showing the left side of the menu, that doesn't look quite possible. Not that this proves or disproves anything, I just want to know what character that could be since this time there's no "Melee" or "Brawl" ... could it be the Smash logo?

I'd say that's pretty clearly the Smash logo, yeah.

 

[Wazygoose]

I've been reading this on and off all night since it was only 10 pages long. I feel I've earned relating recap.

There were 6 leaked photos overall. One of them was definitely fake and was made by some rando dude after the fact, but the rest looked plausibly legit. No new characters were shown but it was a big deal because it revealed the final roster count, and hinted at unannounced characters by way of positioning same-IP members together in a group. A lot of things seemed right about it, a lot of things seemed off about it, but one by one all complaints and accolades were given plausible explanations which could be proven neither true nor untrue.

At various points in time and in no particular order, points that people raised that were eventually theorized out of existence, pro or con, were the following:

• (con) the P1 hockey puck looks weird and the hand is missing, Marth is translucent
• (con) the photos were taken at a weird angle, pixelated, smudged, close-in, you name it
• (pro) reposted images of it were being taken down all over the internet, assumedly by Nintendo
• (pro) it was first released on a 4chan thread that was quickly erased
• (con) it was first released on 4chan
• (con) what do colors mean, what do bars mean, what do the 3's mean, what does it MEEAANNN
• (con) why would it show locks instead of just getting bigger when new characters are added, like in brawl
• (pro) the locks have the smash logo on them and look kewl
• (pro) the number of characters match up well with popular opinion and other leaks (Sal Romano)
• (con?) WFT's name is in all caps, but double-checking showed that it's inconsistent everywhere
• (con) it looks weird in general to have a bunch of locks
• (con) it's strange that different characters are unlocked in different pictures
• (con) Bowser et al are not just unlocked by default
• (pro) the leaker said differences between photos is because they were taken from different demo versions
• (pro) departures from past smash bros games line up with identifiable Namco influences
• (con) nothing we didn't already know was shown besides the questionable Ridley corner (explained below)
• (con) the Ridley corner is one pixel up from other character portraits
• (con) the letter C in Sonic's name is a different font than the C in Little Mac's name
• (con) photoshop
• (pro) not everything on the internet is photoshopped
• (pro) at the very least the original first 2 photos have little to nothing graphically wrong with them
• (con) except they do, because the font is not consistent with what has been used in other known menus
• (neutral) winter is coming, winter = E3

Main Commentators Who Provided Insight and Were Generally Cool:

• GamerGuy09 - for a long time the most vocal skepticist, still a skepticist
  
• Con0rrrr - for a long time the most vocal supportist, is now unsure but still leaning towards true
• aldelaro5 - pretty unbiased overall but now a skepticist, found that the Ridley portrait was a pixel off
• HextupleyooDOT - provided evidence that leak was fake due to font irregularities
• Other Smart and Relatively Frequent Commentators: Neo Zero, The Soulless One, Chris Baker, ChunkyBeef, RIDELY is too SMALL, The Light Music Club, Toothiest Aura, Swampasaur, Gameboi834, samusrules93, MasterofMonster, Pieman0920, Oracle_Summon, hinata2000100, Staarih, artisticgamerxl, shrooby

There are many others who rocked out this pretty decent thread here, so sorry if you were not listed and should have been.

As for me, I don't trust leaks to begin with and this one looks pretty good. But, what ruins the deal for me is that Ghirahim either missing his slot or would have to replace Ganondorf, and I know in my heart neither can be true. *sniffles*

EDIT: made the pros, cons, and people have bullet points to look nicer
EDIT EDIT: added the 2 most pertinent photos below, the original leaked one and the Ridley corner one
TRIPLE COMBO: adjusted post to reflect posts after this one
ULTRA COMBO: added font discrepancy to the list of pros & cons

 

[MasterofMonster]

The leak is very interesting, especially the two first pics. They look really professional, and the character selections looks like it would be on a demo version (and just tease with all the locks to give us an idea about the total amount of characters). The Ridley pic is a downer though, are we sure it's from the same source?

Also here's a crazy theory for the 1 pixel thing: as we can see, Marth is transparent while P1 is on top of him. Isn't that what happens when you just hover the puck on the players? So what if when you actually _pick_ the player, the pixels move a bit as the icon changes according to the character you choose. So in Ridley's pic, maybe he's, well, chosen. His icon is also pretty dark so maybe the normal white background changes into black when chosen. I'm totally missing something here which debunks this theory haha, but that was just something that came to mind. A bit weird the photo didn't just SHOW us Ridley though.

Yeah, it wouldn't be odd if the picked Character's Selection Square gets slightly bigger and such when you pick it. I Think it was something like that in Brawl as well, in some form, but that's not one of the things I look at the most so I can't remember exactly, haha.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I've been reading this on and off all night since it was only 10 pages long. I feel I've earned relating recap.

There were 6 leaked photos overall. One of them was definitely fake and was made by some rando dude after the fact, but the rest looked plausibly legit. No new characters were shown but it was a big deal because it revealed the final roster count, and hinted at unannounced characters by way of positioning same-IP members together in a group. A lot of things right about it, a lot of things seemed off about it, but one by one all complaints and accolades were given plausible explanations which could be proven neither true nor untrue.

At various points in time and in no particular order, points that people raised that were eventually theorized out of existence, pro or con, were the following:

• -(CON) the P1 hockey puck looks weird and the hand is missing, Marth is translucent
• -(CON) the photos were taken at a weird angle, pixelated, smudged, close-in, and despite all that too high or low in quality (depending on who you ask)
• -(PRO) reposted images of it were being taken down all over the internet, signifying it could be real and Nintendo was going bananas
• -(PRO) it was first released on a 4chan thread that was quickly erased
• -(CON) it was first released on 4chan
• -(CON) what do colors mean, what do bars mean, what do the 3's mean, what does it MEEAANNN (double rainbow)
• -(CON) why would it show locks instead of just getting bigger when new characters are added as in brawl
• -(PRO) the locks have the smash logo on them and look kewl
• -(PRO) the number of characters both shown and locked match up well with various other leaks and popular opinion
• -(NEUTRAL) the WFT's name is in all caps, but double-checking showed that it's actually inconsistent everywhere all over the place on Nintendo's sites and videos and LITTLEMAC
• -(CON) it looks weird in general to have a bunch of locks, and it's strange that different characters are unlocked in different pictures, and that Bowser et al are not just unlocked by default
• -(PRO) the leaker said differences between photos is because they were taken from different demos, a best buy one and a better one (for the tourney at E3)
• -(CON) nothing we didn't already know was shown, BESIDES...

Notably, one photo showed the bottom-right corner of a character portrait that could legitimately only be interpreted as belonging to Ridley--but in all these photos, no full image and not even half of his portrait was revealed, even though literally every one else's were (besides the 'Random' portrait). This became the main issue for a long time. Finally someone noticed that the supposed portrait was one pixel off, which shows signs of tampering. If that didn't completely de-legitimize the 'leak', then it at the very least shows that the Ridley portrait was tampered.

Main players in this thread:

• GamerGuy09 - main skepticist, always thought it was fishy, for a long time mostly because Ridley was not actually shown
• Con0rrrr - main supportist, always thought it was legit, mostly because it looks so nice and makes all the other leaks and theories and pieces fit together perfectly
• Swampasaur - a constant presence
• aldelaro5 - pretty unbiased, found that the Ridley portrait was a pixel off
• Smart and Relatively Frequent Commentators: Neo Zero, The Soulless One, Chris Baker, ChunkyBeef, RIDELY is too SMALL, The Light Music Club, Toothiest Aura

There are many others who rocked out this pretty decent thread here, so sorry if you were not listed and should have been.

As for me, I don't trust leaks to begin with and this one looks pretty good. But, what ruins the deal for me is that Ghirahim either missing his slot or would have to replace Ganondorf, and I know in my heart neither can be true. *sniffles*

EDIT: made the pros, cons, and people have bullet points to look nicer

Man that was well made! You can use the photos from my own recap and add them to yours if you like. This post should be in the OP.

 

[Wazygoose]

Man that was well made! You can use the photos from my own recap and add them to yours if you like. This post should be in the OP.

Muchas Gracias! I added 2 of the images from your other recap post to the bottom of mine. It took a while to remember/write, it's been really back and forth and enjoyable to watch unfold.

 

[shrooby]

There sure are still a lot of people in this thread...

 

[Pieman0920]

Again, the fact that the original 4chan thread died fairly quickly wasn't really a pro or con in this thing's favor. It was autosageing hard when it died, at like 600+ posts. To those not familiar with how that site works, once a thread reaches a certain post number, generally 500 though I'm not sure if /v/'s number changed, it will stop being bumped, and basically sink to the bottom of the thread list and be purged.

I have heard though that the pictures actually first showed up in imgur, and that they were deleted from there quickly, though if the OP from the last picture that showed the clear shot of the left side was telling the truth, they were probably deleting them themselves, rather than Nintendo doing it. If they had showed up there first, that could also cause issues if the last picture was swiped by someone else and stuff was made up about it before being posted. It is sort of odd that there was such a long delay between the first two pictures and that last one which seemingly are from the same build. The other two ("Mysterious Y" and "Mysterious R or P") are clearly trying to tease stuff legit or not.

And I still don't think that weird Color Menu acts as a pro or con. If the guy was fake, why would he just add in some random thing no one was expecting? Could have played it safe and just not added anything and no one would have questioned that. The answer to that would likely be to throw people off by adding in some random thing, because Sakurai likes to throw in random things, but to that end I don't think its a point for or against the validity of it.

 

[Bladeviper]

I would like to try and explain why there might be locks on the select screen in a way more then its just changed. The main reason I can see that they are there instead of being hidden like the previous games is that namco has a huge hand in this game and if anyone played I think soul caliber 5 the locked characters in that game still had there slots on the select screen. I know they are two different series but it can explain it

 

[Luigi#1]

Are we still talking about this? It seems debunked.

 

[Opelucid]

Damn it I knew the whole thing was too good to be true.

 

[Luigi#1]

The final CSS will probably be in this theme, as the online options were.