Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 Rumor/Leak Discussion Thread

[GamerGuy09]

Does it really prove anything when that box is selected? I'm definitely not convinced its fake because of something that small and minor that could have been effected by the camera.


Also, regarding Wii Fit TRAINER

No one really cared about that anyway. Also it isn't a camera trick. You can count the pixels and see where they line up, and they don't! It is over! The 7 hours of torture has ended!

 

[MasterofMonster]

I am honstly believing this leak(s). And I am especially happy since it includes Ridley~

 

[aldelaro5]

Does it really prove anything when that box is selected? I'm definitely not convinced its fake because of something that small and minor that could have been effected by the camera.


Also, regarding Wii Fit TRAINER

all the boxes are aligned despite the tilted angle.

 

[Morbi]

I am honstly believing this leak(s). And I am especially happy since it includes Ridley~

That is probably why you believe it.

 

[DarkKry4]

It didn't have Krystal.

but there have been several other leaks that have included Krystal

all of them were fake of course.... as is the ones with Ridley

 

[aldelaro5]

That is probably why you believe it.

ridley is my second most wanted and I just debunked this leak and It's likely fake now.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

but there have been several other leaks that have included Krystal

all of them were fake of course.... as is the ones with Ridley

Yeah, and you know what else all the fake leaks had? MARIO! Every. Single. One.

 

[Morbi]

ridley is my second most wanted and I just debunked this leak and It's likely fake now.

Why do you assert that it is "likely" fake? I don't like the word "likely," it implies that it might be real. Nevertheless, debunking the leak doesn't do much if people still believe in their preconceived notions.

 

[Neo Zero]

No one really cared about that anyway. Also it isn't a camera trick. You can count the pixels and see where they line up, and they don't! It is over! The 7 hours of torture has ended!

Actually this was a major point, you can't dismiss it because it goes against what you want. That is reasoning against the WFT issue earlier, which would support this leaks credibility. That leaves only the Ridley box as the only, and biggest (as all Ridley issues go) problem. However, you have not provided me evidence which says this graphic, both the portrait and the name box, were programmed wrong. The tournament version after all would only have 1 version, it only needs one,only 16 people will play it. It's also likely no one will be allowed to use Ridley, as the most likely conclusion would be the winner would face the CPU Ridley to unlock him, then the stream would end with a reveal trailer. Perhaps it's not fully done testing, as I presented.

 

[aldelaro5]

Why do you assert that it is "likely" fake? I don't like the word "likely," it implies that it might be real. Nevertheless, debunking the leak doesn't do much if people still believe in their preconceived notions.

well consider this as confirmed fake if you want (I can't find reason to believe real myself).

 

[Morbi]

well consider this as confirmed fake if you want (I can't find reason to believe real myself).

I already do, I have since about 5 minutes after learning that it existed.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Actually this was a major point, you can't dismiss it because it goes against what you want. That is reasoning against the WFT issue earlier, which would support this leaks credibility. That leaves only the Ridley box as the only, and biggest (as all Ridley issues go) problem. However, you have not provided me evidence which says this graphic, both the portrait and the name box, were programmed wrong. The tournament version after all would only have 1 version, it only needs one,only 16 people will play it. It's also likely no one will be allowed to use Ridley, as the most likely conclusion would be the winner would face the CPU Ridley to unlock him, then the stream would end with a reveal trailer. Perhaps it's not fully done testing, as I presented.

"Likely". "Likely". "Likely". No, it isn't "Likely" because it isn't. It makes zero sense to why it would be it, so it isn't "Likely". It is "Unlikely" or "Not Plausible" or "Impossible", but not "Likely".

What is "Likely" is that the guy pasted the fake Ridley Slot over the Locked Slot, and that's how this came to be.

It's like trying to prove Santa isn't real to you. I have a FACT, not a POSSIBILITY, a FACT!

 

[JCAndre]

As a last ditch attempt to bring any sort of credibility back to the leaks, do we know for sure the pictures with the supposed Ridley box were in fact leaked by the same person who leaked the first two images? Because that post was deleted rather quickly and everything else could just be copycats, like the Pac Man picture. #strawgrasp

 

[GamerGuy09]

As a last ditch attempt to bring any sort of credibility back to the leaks, do we know for sure the pictures with the supposed Ridley box were in fact leaked by the same person who leaked the first two images? Because that post was deleted rather quickly and everything else could just be copycats, like the Pac Man picture. #strawgrasp

You could easily prove the copy-cat one was a leak because of MANY differences and they could easily make that picture with a previous picture. The Ridley picture is near impossible to recreate unless you actually twist the picture itself, which it would clearly make it fake.

 

[aldelaro5]

As a last ditch attempt to bring any sort of credibility back to the leaks, do we know for sure the pictures with the supposed Ridley box were in fact leaked by the same person who leaked the first two images? Because that post was deleted rather quickly and everything else could just be copycats, like the Pac Man picture. #strawgrasp

implying that 2 different person had access to the fakes and the leaker even acknowledged ridley...

 

[Deleted member]

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-character-discussion-thread.347464/page-756#post-16788479

This leak is fake as far as I'm concerned. I think we can move on now.

 

[Chauzu]

I believe the first two pictures of the leak, but I think the 3rd was a troll. I mean, the leaker is obviously someone well versed with the community and knows what big thing Ridley is. Knowing his own leak is legit, he sees little reason to not spark a light in the community with the incredible cheesy Ridley tease.

So I believe in the character select screen leak and everything, just not the 3rd picture. Bring on E3 to confirm or debunk, because until then, it's all speculation.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-character-discussion-thread.347464/page-756#post-16788479

This leak is fake as far as I'm concerned, but give Swampasaur for debunking this, he was the first to do so.

I think we can move on now.

I was not.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I believe the first two pictures of the leak, but I think the 3rd was a troll. I mean, the leaker is obviously someone well versed with the community and knows what big thing Ridley is. Knowing his own leak is legit, he sees little reason to not spark a light in the community with the incredible cheesy Ridley tease.

So I believe in the character select screen leak and everything, just not the 3rd picture. Bring on E3 to confirm or debunk, because until then, it's all speculation.

Then why did the OP mention Ridley on his last 5th picture? He made the picture, and he screwed up, end of story.

 

[Deleted member]

I was not.

Then who was it? I actually wasn't aware who did it, so it'd be nice to know.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Then why did the OP mention Ridley on his last 5th picture? He made the picture, and he screwed up, end of story.

To be fair. It's near impossible to tell if that was the same person.

Then who was it? I actually wasn't aware who did it, so it'd be nice to know.

@ aldelaro5

 

[aldelaro5]

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-character-discussion-thread.347464/page-756#post-16788479

This leak is fake as far as I'm concerned, but give Swampasaur for debunking this, he was the first to do so.

I think we can move on now.

the picture with the red circles was made by gamer who was quoting my post which said that the ridley rectangle name was off so I assume it was me (unless someone pointed this out before).

 

[GamerGuy09]

the picture with the red circles was made by gamer who was quoting my post which said that the ridley rectangle name was off so I assume it was me (unless someone pointed this out before).

Yeah, it was 100% aldelaro. I just zoomed in so that there was no mistaking it, and added a funny little song.

 

[Morbi]

Then who was it? I actually wasn't aware who did it, so it'd be nice to know.

There were dozens that debunked it for various reasons. Credit cannot be given to any individual; as far as most are concerned, it is not even debunked (I am not one of those, it is quite clearly a fake).

 

[Chauzu]

Then why did the OP mention Ridley on his last 5th picture? He made the picture, and he screwed up, end of story.

This is the internet, and it is a strange place. I put my faith in the first two pictures and they just feel right to me.

In the end though, I couldn't care less if it was real or not, it doesn't say much more than "this is how the character select screen looks for the E3 demo". So bring on E3 already.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ Morbi
Ridley is my most wanted character. But no, I don't Believe things just because it includes something I want, I believed this leak Before I even knew the leaker mentioned Ridley. ^^

Also, that pic showing that blue thing, is that really part of the original leaked Pictures? I kinda feel it isn't.

 

[GamerGuy09]

@ Morbi
Ridley is my most wanted character. But no, I don't Believe things just because it includes something I want, I believed this leak Before I even knew the leaker mentioned Ridley. ^^

Also, that pic showing that blue thing, is that really part of the original leaked Pictures? I kinda feel it isn't.

It is because the first picture did the EXACT same thing with Marth (Notice the Red border around Marth). It is made by the same guy. It is fake, that is all.

Also, because you believed it before Ridley announced doesn't make it any better...

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Let's give credit to the author ; it was a risky move showing locks for the characters. Could have play it safier with a bunch of veterans + two newcomers for the demo, but hell no, he went with the full CSS size !

 

[Neo Zero]

"Likely". "Likely". "Likely". No, it isn't "Likely" because it isn't. It makes zero sense to why it would be it, so it isn't "Likely". It is "Unlikely" or "Not Plausible" or "Impossible", but not "Unlikely".

It's like trying to prove Santa isn't real to you.

I mentioned, I don't believe this leak is real or fake. I'm providing arguments, which you seem not to heed, against your point.

Both Marth and Ridley have the cursor border outside the line. They both posses a character cursor, and the corner black areas as well.

Plus another thing, upon examination, the Black corner and the blue corner, as well the two grey corners underneath are actually aligned. The issue therefore is not that the box is to far up, it's that the box was made wrong. The bottom part has one pixel gray area to much. not that the box itself is not on the level of Pit's

Now, lets look back at Marth. As I mentioned, there are traces of the grey border on both his pictures, same as Ridley....but only on the sides. The bottom and top are perfectly within the red/blue, or more accurate to say it appears to only cover X axis perfectly, not the Y. This shows consistency, leaving the only issue being how the Ridley box is made on the bottom. Again, I refer to in game error as a possibility, and until you can debunk that, this leak is still alive.

 

[MasterofMonster]

It is because the first picture did the EXACT same thing with Marth (Notice the Red border around Marth). It is made by the same guy. It is fake, that is all.

Also, because you believed it before Ridley announced doesn't make it any better...

I don't get this Ridley thing since it has nothing to do with me believing it or not anyways. :/

And yes, I know the Red Border, but that doesn't mean the pic with the Blue one is from the same. I mean, there was that PacMan Photoshop right after, and the pic with the Blue Border looks iffy compared to the others.

Not tryint to argue or so, of course. But I have not been able to keep track on where all these pics came from, and only know that some have been Quick fakes.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I mentioned, I don't believe this leak is real or fake. I'm providing arguments, which you seem not to heed, against your point.

Both Marth and Ridley have the cursor border outside the line. They both posses a character cursor, and the corner black areas as well.

Plus another thing, upon examination, the Black corner and the blue corner, as well the two grey corners underneath are actually aligned. The issue therefore is not that the box is to far up, it's that the box was made wrong. The bottom part has one pixel gray area to much. not that the box itself is not on the level of Pit's

Now, lets look back at Marth. As I mentioned, there are traces of the grey border on both his pictures, same as Ridley....but only on the sides. The bottom and top are perfectly within the red/blue, or more accurate to say it appears to only cover X axis perfectly, not the Y. This shows consistency, leaving the only issue being how the Ridley box is made on the bottom. Again, I refer to in game error as a possibility, and until you can debunk that, this leak is still alive.

Marth's name plate aligns perfectly with the next one. It doesn't show consistency with Ridley's being one pixel higher. It is a mistake made by the "leaker". If this was a bug as you say, this would have happened with all of the selected portraits.

Ridley's wasn't stretched by 1, it was MOVED by 1 pixel. That could have ONLY happened if you move it up 1 pixel in a image editor.

 

[aldelaro5]

Now that I think about it, this means that Paper Maro's chance are completely unaffected now. I'll have to admit I was worried like others but not any more (though, still good luck ridley supporter).

 

[Neo Zero]

Marth's name plate aligns perfectly with the next one. It doesn't show consistency with Ridley's being one pixel higher. It is a mistake made by the "leaker". If this was a bug as you say, this would have happened with all of the selected portraits.

But all the other portraits are static. Ridley's if this is true would undergo a drastic change from being locked to unlocked.

I do have a request, can a skilled PSer analyze both Marth and Ridley's boxes around the border area?

 

[aldelaro5]

But all the other portraits are static. Ridley's if this is true would undergo a drastic change from being locked to unlocked.

I do have a request, can a skilled PSer analyze both Marth and Ridley's boxes around the border area?

explain the one for little mac and mega man then they were locked before.

 

[Moldy Clay]

The thing is, fake or not, it's not like the roster or screen won't be relatively similar anyway.

That's going to be the menu screen design (for the most part), the order is probably going to be pretty similar, and it's more or less the roster size people are expecting.

Also, I just want to point out that people went to great lengths to PROVE that various Pokemon from the X & Y leaks were absolutely fake, and they weren't.

The only things that may not be the same for the final game are the lock squares, the 'puck' and the player tabs.

 

[GamerGuy09]

But all the other portraits are static. Ridley's if this is true would undergo a drastic change from being locked to unlocked.

I do have a request, can a skilled PSer analyze both Marth and Ridley's boxes around the border area?

Why would it, tell me? In a sense where it would be "Likely".

 

[Kalimdori]

Marth's name plate aligns perfectly with the next one. It doesn't show consistency with Ridley's being one pixel higher. It is a mistake made by the "leaker". If this was a bug as you say, this would have happened with all of the selected portraits.

I don't think you understand how complex bugs can be.

The guy says Ridley was unlockable, correct? Meaning Ridley's icon would have something unique about it, as it had changed from locked to unlocked midgame.

For example, remember the Skyward Sword game breaker? If you went out of order on the Dragon quests, then talked to a random NPC, it wouldn't let you continue through your game? And that was a full blown game breaker, this is just a graphics glitch!

In gamer terms, there are A, B, and C bugs. A bugs crash or break the game, B bugs make the game less appealing (Broken animations, missing textures, obscenely long loading times, etc.), and C bugs are things that shouldn't be there. (Mostly graphics glitches) This would classify as a C bug, and would be very low on the spectrum of things to fix.

It isn't likely that this is a bug, but it is a possibility, and you cannot say the leak is dead when it isn't proven to be.

 

[Neo Zero]

explain the one for little mac and mega man then they were locked before.

This is easy, they're not in the Best Buy demo, yet in the Tourney demo. It's not so much they're unlocked, but added or enabled.

Why would it, tell me? In a sense where it would be "Likely".

I don't quite follow your wording here mate

 

[GamerGuy09]

I don't think you understand how complex bugs can be.

The guy says Ridley was unlockable, correct? Meaning Ridley's icon would have something unique about it, as it had changed from locked to unlocked midgame.

For example, remember the Skyward Sword game breaker? If you went out of order on the Dragon quests, then talked to a random NPC, it wouldn't let you continue through your game? And that was a full blown game breaker, this is just a graphics glitch!

In gamer terms, there are A, B, and C bugs. A bugs crash or break the game, B bugs make the game less appealing (Broken animations, missing textures, obscenely long loading times, etc.), and C bugs are things that shouldn't be there. This would classify as a C bug, and would be very low on the spectrum of things to fix.

It isn't likely that this is a bug, but it is a possibility, and you cannot say the leak is dead when it isn't proven to be.

If the chance of it being real is around 10%, it is likely to be fake. You guys can laugh at us when this is revealed and you guys rejoice that you finally get Ridley, don't worry I will dance with you. However until then this is 90% fake or even higher than that.

This is easy, they're not in the Best Buy demo, yet in the Tourney demo. It's not so much they're unlocked, but added or enabled.


I don't quite follow your wording here mate

Tell me why it is plausible that an animation will occur that does NOTHING else than to move the nameplate up one. Marth's is aligned with everyone else's when he is selected. It is proven to be made by the guy who made the previous pictures.

This is the definition at grasping at straws.

 

[aldelaro5]

I don't think you understand how complex bugs can be.

The guy says Ridley was unlockable, correct? Meaning Ridley's icon would have something unique about it, as it had changed from locked to unlocked midgame.

For example, remember the Skyward Sword game breaker? If you went out of order on the Dragon quests, then talked to a random NPC, it wouldn't let you continue through your game? And that was a full blown game breaker, this is just a graphics glitch!

In gamer terms, there are A, B, and C bugs. A bugs crash or break the game, B bugs make the game less appealing (Broken animations, missing textures, obscenely long loading times, etc.), and C bugs are things that shouldn't be there. (Mostly graphics glitches) This would classify as a C bug, and would be very low on the spectrum of things to fix.

It isn't likely that this is a bug, but it is a possibility, and you cannot say the leak is dead when it isn't proven to be.

Just being curious (I glitch hunted a game for 6 months so I'm interested), is a soft lock which is not a crash but prevent you from progressing is considered as an a? It doesn;t crash the game but it breaks it.