Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 Rumor/Leak Discussion Thread

[Tree Gelbman]

What bugs me is I could understand Best Buy having a kiosk already and it's just chilling in their stockroom maybe. However why would there be a tourney version already set up if there was such a thing?

 

[Bladeviper]

What bugs me is I could understand Best Buy having a kiosk already and it's just chilling in their stockroom maybe. However why would there be a tourney version already set up if there was such a thing?

it could be on the same disk or whatever they are using and you just pick the version to run, kinda like the old demo disks from psm or something, just something to consider

 

[Gameboi834]

Oh FFS, 1 pixel being off is also the definition of grasping at straws. You know who else could have shifted it up 1 pixel? The guy working on the game.
As has been said before, AND YOU HAVE NOT REFUTED IT, simply "confirming" it by saying it's confirmed, what if his name is shifted up one pixel? Then what? If you can access the Title screen area in Twilight Princess by dying and reseting or warp to Ganon's lair from the Great Deku Tree or quickly dash across a stage by dodging into the ground I'm pretty sure it's possible that someone miscoded Ridley's name off the y-axis by ONE NUMBER.

 

[ErenJager]

It's fake, the roster is made up from art on the website.
Also traditionally locked characters aren't shown with locks, they just aren't there.

 

[Gameboi834]

It's fake, the roster is made up from art on the website.
Also traditionally locked characters aren't shown with locks, they just aren't there.

So was the Brawl CSS.

Mario Kart 8 demo did the same thing with its CSS for member of the press; furthermore, this is co-developed by Bamco, so who's to say they didn't change it?

 

[ErenJager]

So was the Brawl CSS.

Mario Kart 8 demo did the same thing with its CSS for member of the press; furthermore, this is co-developed by Bamco, so who's to say they didn't change it?

Guy it' fake.

 

[Bladeviper]

It's fake, the roster is made up from art on the website.
Also traditionally locked characters aren't shown with locks, they just aren't there.

the locks can be explained as namco's doing as they often do things like that in there games with locked characters. also the characters in brawl had the same art on the website and in game it proves nothing

 

[ErenJager]

the locks can be explained as namco's doing as they often do things like that in there games with locked characters. also the characters in brawl had the same art on the website and in game it proves nothing

Proves nothing?
Looks like someone spent 15 minutes on photo shop.

Guy, look up it says gullible on ur ceiling in your room.

 

[Bladeviper]

Proves nothing?
Looks like someone spent 15 minutes on photo shop.

Guy, look up it says gullible on ur ceiling in your room.

i never said i believed it did i? I said it could be explained no need to be hostile

 

[ErenJager]

i never said i believed it did i? I said it could be explained no need to be hostile

Not being hostile, just saiyan it's fake.

 

[Gameboi834]

Not being hostile, just saiyan it's fake.

No, you're saying it looks fake, which is what hoardes of people said about the Brawl roster.

 

[ErenJager]

No, you're saying it looks fake, which is what hoardes of people said about the Brawl roster.

Spoiler

 

[GhettoPlab]

Not being hostile, just saiyan it's fake.

Honestly man, anybody can say it looks "fake" because of a pixel here or a opacity of 97% there, but realize that it is not DECONFIRMED.

It wouldn't be a surprise if it were real, stop listening to all the phony detectives and just wait and see.

 

[Gameboi834]

Spoiler

So basically you have still yet to actually prove this is fake. In fact I think your faith for it being a ruse is stronger than my faith in it being genuine.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ ErenJager
Do you have proof it's fake, then? Proof is Always nice Before declaring things to be fake.

 

[ErenJager]

Honestly man, anybody can say it looks "fake" because of a pixel here or a opacity of 97% there, but realize that it is not DECONFIRMED.

It wouldn't be a surprise if it were real, stop listening to all the phony detectives and just wait and see.

Guy I looked at it, looked really fake, like someone literally made it along with the thousands of other images when you google "smash 4 roster".
When will we learn to stop feeding the trolls who make this kinda stuff.

They're are real trust me.

Spoiler

 

[polonight]

Can I just say though I believe it to be fake I don't think the main reason is Bowser's absence.

The brawl demo lacked Kirby yet had Metaknight.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Good to know Eren still has his head up his own butthole when it comes to rudeness.

At least that will never be fake!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Do we have proof that the roster image is fake?

 

[ErenJager]

 

[MasterofMonster]

Do we have proof that the roster image is fake?

No proof. One Little detail being related to Marth's name is pretty much the only thing that MAY hint at it being fake, but I personally don't see it as being that noteworthy. But we'll see. I expect some development on this pretty soon.

@ ErenJager
You aren't seriously compairing those images, are you..? Wow.

@ Tree Gelbman
Indeed.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Not that one.

The roster leak thats as good as the palutena leak. (Excluding the Y one next to pit and pac-man.)

 

[ErenJager]

These are real.
My dad works as a janitor at the E3 convention centre.

Spoiler

People who make fake roster leaks, love using the website art, just saying.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Not that one.

The roster leak thats as good as the palutena leak. (Excluding the Y one next to pit and pac-man.)

He's just trolling since he couldn't prove the new leaks are fake, or something. Don't mind him. Those who don't dismiss every leak ever are apparantly idiots compared to those who adores Bigfoot.

But on topic. Did anyone ever Contact that leaker?

 

[TheSmasher916]

People who make fake roster leaks, love using the website art, just saying.

So did Sakurai in Brawl's official CSS.

 

[Phaazoid]

Look Eren, there's a difference between not believing a the leak and being a jerk.

Citing other leaks that turned out false doesn't mean anything for this one. Your opinion on whether or not it is fake won't actually influence if it turns out real, believe it or not.

 

[Bladeviper]

These are real.
My dad works as a janitor at the E3 convention centre.

Spoiler

People who make fake roster leaks, love using the website art, just saying.

and we have seen in gameplay that they are using the same art thats on the website in the game so what

 

[ErenJager]

So did Sakurai in Brawl's official CSS.

You know what, it'll be real, because I think it's fake, and I usually end up being the wrong idiot around here.
haha. That's the best thing this "leak" has going for it, imo.
If Jager thinks it's fake, it's probably gonna be real, I eat my words enough around here.

 

[dezeray112]

Can someone fill me in about the recent leak about the character select screen?

 

[ErenJager]

Look Eren, there's a difference between not believing a the leak and being a jerk.

Citing other leaks that turned out false doesn't mean anything for this one. Your opinion on whether or not it is fake won't actually influence if it turns out real, believe it or not.

I may be slightly condescending, and maybe even sarcastic.
But a jerk, now that's just wrong.

 

[MasterofMonster]

I may be slightly condescending, and maybe even sarcastic.
But a jerk, now that's just wrong.

No, actually, many times already on this page, you were a jerk. But that's the good thing about the future, as it gives one chances to make up for it, forget, and go on~

Now. As I said, someone said they'd Contact the original leaker, I Believe. Did someone actually do that? Unless Ninsassins have already butchered him, of course.

 

[Phaazoid]

I may be slightly condescending, and maybe even sarcastic.
But a jerk, now that's just wrong.

You've been repeatedly posting the same point with no new info, over and over. I'm sure people understood your opinion after the first, even second post. Posting it more after that won't convince more people. it just gives off jerk vibes.

and I think the damn thing is fake

 

[ErenJager]

This whole discussion is similar to the idea of...

evidence of absence vs. absence of evidence.

Which may be basis to not argue until further evidence is presented, but perhaps that's a personal decision or a mod's decision.

You've been repeatedly posting the same point with no new info, over and over. I'm sure people understood your opinion after the first, even second post. Posting it more after that won't convince more people. it just gives off jerk vibes.

and I think the damn thing is fake

In my defense, I was debating against the roster as an individual, I had a collective rebuttal against me, which caused more responses from myself then necessary, should have merged them into one poster with one reply.

i'm not a jerk, people are just butthurt I don't believe in their roster leak,

 

[Gameboi834]

Can someone fill me in about the recent leak about the character select screen?

So basically a guy on 4Chan said he had taken phoyos of the CSS , five real ones (and one faker) to be exact. These revealed a 50 character roster with the Random button being in the corner with a red tint.
On said roster was a tease for Ridley, and the slots fit the Sal leak.
Many people cited name differences, Marth being slightly transparent, and a blue blob in Ridley's spot, but these are all easily explained.
Furthermore, in the past few pages people have thought that Ridley's name rectangle being one pixel up (which I have yet to see actually proven using a straight/diagonal line, as it just looks like an optical illusion to me) makes it false.

 

[Luigi#1]

This whole discussion is similar to the idea of...

evidence of absence vs. absence of evidence.

Which may be basis to not argue until further evidence is presented, but perhaps that's a personal decision or a mod's decision.

i'm not a jerk, people are just butthurt I don't believe in their roster leak,

I think the roster leak is fake too. Your reasoning is wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

I want to believe! But, I need to have a more skeptical view about this, however, I can't find anything with Ridley in front of me. So, is there anything that disproves this leak for sure? I've seen things like the extra pixel in Ridley's box, but I think what almost gives it away is that Ridley's icon wasn't shown, probably because the leaker doesn't have the Smash artwork if it's fake, but if it is true, he could be teasing(which is questionable)

 

[dezeray112]

So basically a guy on 4Chan said he had taken phoyos of the CSS , five real ones (and one faker) to be exact. These revealed a 50 character roster with the Random button being in the corner with a red tint.
On said roster was a tease for Ridley, and the slots fit the Sal leak.
Many people cited name differences, Marth being slightly transparent, and a blue blob in Ridley's spot, but these are all easily explained.
Furthermore, in the past few pages people have thought that Ridley's name rectangle being one pixel up (which I have yet to see actually proven using a straight/diagonal line, as it just looks like an optical illusion to me) makes it false.

Ah I see.

As I've already stated before, anything that comes out from 4chan is usually fake.

 

[Con0rrrr]

I've been reading this on and off all night since it was only 10 pages long. I feel I've earned relating recap.

There were 6 leaked photos overall. One of them was definitely fake and was made by some rando dude after the fact, but the rest looked plausibly legit. No new characters were shown but it was a big deal because it revealed the final roster count, and hinted at unannounced characters by way of positioning same-IP members together in a group. A lot of things right about it, a lot of things seemed off about it, but one by one all complaints and accolades were given plausible explanations which could be proven neither true nor untrue.

At various points in time and in no particular order, points that people raised that were eventually theorized out of existence, pro or con, were the following:

• -(CON) the P1 hockey puck looks weird and the hand is missing, Marth is translucent
• -(CON) the photos were taken at a weird angle, pixelated, smudged, close-in, and despite all that too high or low in quality (depending on who you ask)
• -(PRO) reposted images of it were being taken down all over the internet, signifying it could be real and Nintendo was going bananas
• -(PRO) it was first released on a 4chan thread that was quickly erased
• -(CON) it was first released on 4chan
• -(CON) what do colors mean, what do bars mean, what do the 3's mean, what does it MEEAANNN (double rainbow)
• -(CON) why would it show locks instead of just getting bigger when new characters are added as in brawl
• -(PRO) the locks have the smash logo on them and look kewl
• -(PRO) the number of characters both shown and locked match up well with various other leaks and popular opinion
• -(NEUTRAL) the WFT's name is in all caps, but double-checking showed that it's actually inconsistent everywhere all over the place on Nintendo's sites and videos and LITTLEMAC
• -(CON) it looks weird in general to have a bunch of locks, and it's strange that different characters are unlocked in different pictures, and that Bowser et al are not just unlocked by default
• -(PRO) the leaker said differences between photos is because they were taken from different demos, a best buy one and a better one (for the tourney at E3)
• -(CON) nothing we didn't already know was shown, BESIDES...

Notably, one photo showed the bottom-right corner of a character portrait that could legitimately only be interpreted as belonging to Ridley--but in all these photos, no full image and not even half of his portrait was revealed, even though literally every one else's were (besides the 'Random' portrait). This became the main issue for a long time. Finally someone noticed that the supposed portrait was one pixel off, which shows signs of tampering. If that didn't completely de-legitimize the 'leak', then it at the very least shows that the Ridley portrait was tampered.

Main players in this thread:

• GamerGuy09 - main skepticist, always thought it was fishy, for a long time mostly because Ridley was not actually shown
• Con0rrrr - main supportist, always thought it was legit, mostly because it looks so nice and makes all the other leaks and theories and pieces fit together perfectly
• Swampasaur - a constant presence
• aldelaro5 - pretty unbiased, found that the Ridley portrait was a pixel off
• Smart and Relatively Frequent Commentators: Neo Zero, The Soulless One, Chris Baker, ChunkyBeef, RIDELY is too SMALL, The Light Music Club, Toothiest Aura

There are many others who rocked out this pretty decent thread here, so sorry if you were not listed and should have been.

As for me, I don't trust leaks to begin with and this one looks pretty good. But, what ruins the deal for me is that Ghirahim either missing his slot or would have to replace Ganondorf, and I know in my heart neither can be true. *sniffles*

EDIT: made the pros, cons, and people have bullet points to look nicer
EDIT EDIT: added the 2 most pertinent photos below, the original leaked one and the Ridley corner one

Now I may have come off like a main supportist, but I'd rather not be labeled like that. I could go either way right now, on one side the Ridley pixel thing potentially kills it. But still there's enough possibilities that could counter that argument. I did originally think it was 100% true. Now I'm 50/50. I still don't think we should completely throw away the leak though. A leak with this much content that we have somewhat "explained" deserves some credit.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ ErenJager
Pretty sure the only "butthurt" here is you for not being able to decide what we should Believe in or not. :/ See, now you were a jerk again.

@ dezeray112
Was it 4chan? What was that other Place where things are usually more likely to be real, again? I forget.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Was it 4chan? What was that other Place where things are usually more likely to be real, again? I forget.

This came from 4Chan yes. NeoGAF is generally considered a much more legitimate place for actual leaks. The Palutena leak came from 2ch, a Japanese site, but they're usually not very legitimate, they had a **** ton of false rumors during pre-Brawl, so in general leaks can come from any place.