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Donkey Kong Teams Thread - Current Discussion: Marth (Last Update 9/23/10)
- Thread starter Flashing
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Wtf, where were all you banana supporters before? Why was I arguing with only Rag before? I need you people to post more often, I dont like teams all that much and dont have enough experience to really argue anything. I just try to argue cuz hardly anyone else does. Yea I made this thread and all, but I just wanted to manage a thread. It feels like some people are afraid they will look bad for arguing or making suggestions, but if you feel that way then these boards will always be dead. If your not, then stop being a lazy troll and post!
Im not raging here, you guys are all cool, just saying... The boards need life...
Ill do the update sometime this week.
Im not raging here, you guys are all cool, just saying... The boards need life...
Ill do the update sometime this week.
blakinola
Constantly Delicious
double DK gets ***** by tornado 
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double DK gets ***** by tornado
not true, DKs should be on opposite sides on each other so if a MK does use tornado the other one does a down b or power shield D-smash as the attack is finishing.
me and ook FTW
OhMySailboat
Smash Rookie
Uh, I'm not sure if it would be bad or good, but what about DDD and DK?
minford10
Smash Cadet
how does the controller port affect gameplay?
daisho
Smash Lord
*Snake drops a grenade
*DK mindgames snake into an insane pivot grab
*Snakes nade goes off
*DK goes flying and snake is unharmed
As long as snake is a higher port
minford10
Smash Cadet
so is 1 or 4 the best port...that seems weird though, why would they make the port have an impact on gameplay?
not disagreeing or anything, it just seems stupid
not disagreeing or anything, it just seems stupid
Circa
Smash Champion
It depends on what you are trying to achieve, tbh. Port 1 gives you priority over your opponent if you both grab at the same time, but Port 4 gives you the ability that Daisho mentioned.
I'd say that in teams though, it's typically smarter to go 4th. Unless of course your partner has a better grab game than you.
daisho
Smash Lord
It's ridiculously stupid... thanks Sakurai
Well, DK can cargo dthrow with another DK forever If there´s only one enemy lol
I´m going doubles with DK in the next tourney that I will enter.
I will use every good info that I got here and I will post the result later.
Wish me luck
I´m going doubles with DK in the next tourney that I will enter.
I will use every good info that I got here and I will post the result later.
Wish me luck
If you can do it with one you could do it with 2 just switching opponents each time. Also if you're teaming with DDD and you grab after they dthrow you're at the perfect spacing to dtoss into the DDD's grab if they turn around in place.
Micaelis
Smash Journeyman
I haven't tested it but I'm pretty sure you can Dtilt lock with 2 DKs. On that note, you can do it with a lot of other chars too (pretty much all who get a wall lock with Dtilt). A friend of mine and I always Dtilt lock people from like 0-100% to Dmash or Punch for an easy finish. It just takes a little bit of spacing.
The only disadvantage a Ditto Team would have imo would be if somehow both DKs get caught in some kind of chain grab at the same time (DDD or Wario or Flaco etc). But the chances are slim. Good teamwork and being vocal should help all other instances.
In short:
-Pros: both good aggressors and stock holders, large amount of KOing power, knowing your teammates moveset/what he'll most likely do, etc
-Cons: confusion of whos who, large hurtboxs so easy to get hit by EVERYTHING, acceptable to dual chain grabs, etc
-Team Combos: Dtilt locking, cargo throw to smash, Utilt to Bair, DownB to Bair, etc
-Good Stages: Pokemon Stadium (it has room and a Dtilt lock, plus platforms that I like. Only lip is bad imo), Delfino and Halberd (UpB through map is really good for damage, coming to aid, and recovering).
-Bad Stages: Frigate Orpheon (edges, small, and changes don't help), FD (no real advantage but some match-up disadvantages imo), and Smashville (for same reasons as FD).
-Ratings: I'd give it probably a 9/10 or at least an 8/10. The weight + KO power is just to good imo. The only real downside is getting KO'd low by your partner or getting hit by good projectile spacers to death.
The only disadvantage a Ditto Team would have imo would be if somehow both DKs get caught in some kind of chain grab at the same time (DDD or Wario or Flaco etc). But the chances are slim. Good teamwork and being vocal should help all other instances.
In short:
-Pros: both good aggressors and stock holders, large amount of KOing power, knowing your teammates moveset/what he'll most likely do, etc
-Cons: confusion of whos who, large hurtboxs so easy to get hit by EVERYTHING, acceptable to dual chain grabs, etc
-Team Combos: Dtilt locking, cargo throw to smash, Utilt to Bair, DownB to Bair, etc
-Good Stages: Pokemon Stadium (it has room and a Dtilt lock, plus platforms that I like. Only lip is bad imo), Delfino and Halberd (UpB through map is really good for damage, coming to aid, and recovering).
-Bad Stages: Frigate Orpheon (edges, small, and changes don't help), FD (no real advantage but some match-up disadvantages imo), and Smashville (for same reasons as FD).
-Ratings: I'd give it probably a 9/10 or at least an 8/10. The weight + KO power is just to good imo. The only real downside is getting KO'd low by your partner or getting hit by good projectile spacers to death.
CARNiVOOR
Smash Rookie
DK's have a down throw lock until around 50%. Cargo down is an infinite, and regular cargo mode can be used to just rack up damage with spinning kong. (Cargo super armor)
In this teams match, as long as the DKs stay close, they can abuse smashes. A shielded smash from one DK can lead to a shield being broken by the other one. I've personally seen two DKs charge smashes on either side of both opponents, and the others were so scared that they could do nothing but shield and get destroyed by both.
DK has no projectiles, so very low chance of messing up the other DK during fights. His high weight let's him live through accidental smashes also.
I'd give this a 9/10.
In this teams match, as long as the DKs stay close, they can abuse smashes. A shielded smash from one DK can lead to a shield being broken by the other one. I've personally seen two DKs charge smashes on either side of both opponents, and the others were so scared that they could do nothing but shield and get destroyed by both.
DK has no projectiles, so very low chance of messing up the other DK during fights. His high weight let's him live through accidental smashes also.
I'd give this a 9/10.
That's some nice confidence Rag. Good luck man.
Te-Jay
Smash Apprentice
anyone do this combo with DK and diddy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmXvENZVGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmXvENZVGw
ook
Smash Lord
Scabe
Successful Businessman
Dropping by to say, what a great thread D0N
I hope you guys touch on Link, because I partner with a DK player and I think the way we play totally clashes. Also we don't really have any tactics and stuff.
Anyways keep u the good work.
I might even steal this idea...
I hope you guys touch on Link, because I partner with a DK player and I think the way we play totally clashes. Also we don't really have any tactics and stuff.
Anyways keep u the good work.
I might even steal this idea...
Darth Destro
Smash Cadet
Veggi
Smash Champion
Me and my friend saw that video and we do it a lot now. You can set it up by doing cargo dthrow into Diddy's pivot grab>grab release>repeat until you get to the edge>do what the guys in the video did.
magikguy
Smash Lord
it's classic only some people were smart to tech the spike haha. Surprised the hell out of me
Scabe
Successful Businessman
Transferred ownership to Flashing. Let's get discussion going!
Flashing
Smash Apprentice
Yes lets get going.
DISCUSSION FOR FALCO IS UP.
Also I made a few changes to the main post just to make some things clearer and change some things to my preferences but just a few slight edits.
But yeah guys try to give your opinions with the format in the main post in mind while you post your thoughts.
DISCUSSION FOR FALCO IS UP.
Also I made a few changes to the main post just to make some things clearer and change some things to my preferences but just a few slight edits.
But yeah guys try to give your opinions with the format in the main post in mind while you post your thoughts.
Scabe
Successful Businessman
Falco's Down Throw set's up nicely for a free hit for DK.
Because of DK's big stature and depending if the Falco uses lasers in teams, then we're going to have some interference issues in this team.
But the matching of DK's punisher and stock tanking goes well with Falco's DPS. Is he a DPS? I'm not sure it's taking too long to find the thread with my horrible net
If DK's getting sandwiched by the opponent Falco could help break it apart with his Phantasm and maybe lasers?
Big stages like FD and Pictochat might be good. Yoshi Island though good for DK might not be so good for Falco.
Also you should go into the Falco boards and ask them for some input on how Falco works in teams. I'll come with you and send an invite, since the more people asking for advice the better.
Because of DK's big stature and depending if the Falco uses lasers in teams, then we're going to have some interference issues in this team.
But the matching of DK's punisher and stock tanking goes well with Falco's DPS. Is he a DPS? I'm not sure it's taking too long to find the thread with my horrible net
If DK's getting sandwiched by the opponent Falco could help break it apart with his Phantasm and maybe lasers?
Big stages like FD and Pictochat might be good. Yoshi Island though good for DK might not be so good for Falco.
Also you should go into the Falco boards and ask them for some input on how Falco works in teams. I'll come with you and send an invite, since the more people asking for advice the better.
Flashing
Smash Apprentice
Holy double post batman.
In all seriousness there were some nice points you brought up. But yeah I think we might as well visit the falco boards since he's such a weird character to analyze in teams, though I don't really know where to find a dubz thread there or even a metagame thread. Also I'll add some of your points to the OP :]
Though some points you said that I was iffy with was how lasers and phantasms could help DK get "un-sammiched". Lasers could potentially help DK in a sandwich situation but to me it would harm DK because for one lasers would come from one side so of course it would either hit the opponent to make him back off or hit DK if he dodges while the other opponent partner uses all that as a sponge to avoid lasers.
Though phantasm is probably a good "reset" move as in it'll stop whatever combo the opposing team is trying to do on DK since it spikes so it'll probably just bring everything to a halt so DK can get back on his feet.
In all seriousness there were some nice points you brought up. But yeah I think we might as well visit the falco boards since he's such a weird character to analyze in teams, though I don't really know where to find a dubz thread there or even a metagame thread. Also I'll add some of your points to the OP :]
Though some points you said that I was iffy with was how lasers and phantasms could help DK get "un-sammiched". Lasers could potentially help DK in a sandwich situation but to me it would harm DK because for one lasers would come from one side so of course it would either hit the opponent to make him back off or hit DK if he dodges while the other opponent partner uses all that as a sponge to avoid lasers.
Though phantasm is probably a good "reset" move as in it'll stop whatever combo the opposing team is trying to do on DK since it spikes so it'll probably just bring everything to a halt so DK can get back on his feet.
Scabe
Successful Businessman
Yeah whenever my internet is slowed it usually double posts.
Yeah most of points could be wrong I'm only taking guesses here in hopes that something useful might come up.
I'll go send an invite now.
Yeah most of points could be wrong I'm only taking guesses here in hopes that something useful might come up.
I'll go send an invite now.
Falco isn't the ideal teams partner.
First of all his bread and butter laser can't be spammed willy nilly because he now has a partner to consider. Not only that, but DK is a giant bumbling ape, so it's even harder to fire them without poor monkey boy getting in the way.
Obviously there could be some slick combos like CG > Spike (or not) to DK Side B to **** but it's all hypothetical and really DKs if you want a teams partner, Falco isn't my top recommendation.
First of all his bread and butter laser can't be spammed willy nilly because he now has a partner to consider. Not only that, but DK is a giant bumbling ape, so it's even harder to fire them without poor monkey boy getting in the way.
Obviously there could be some slick combos like CG > Spike (or not) to DK Side B to **** but it's all hypothetical and really DKs if you want a teams partner, Falco isn't my top recommendation.
MetalMusicMan
Sleepwalk our lives away.
I have no idea how Falco would work with DK from experience, as I've never played it.
In theory, I wouldn't think it would be good, since both Falco and DK need a character to support them, and neither provide very good support for each other.
Falco isn't the best teams character, but he can do well with certain setups. For instance, he can spam lasers overhead while an MK or Diddy stays grounded under the lasers, using their ground game plus the lasers to become a very substantial threat.
I wouldn't think that Falco would work well with DK though, just because DK is so big and gets combo'd a lot, but Falco can't really help save DK very well... additionally, Falco also gets combo'd and needs saving, but DK can't do that very well either.
Again, this is all speculation though, as I've never actually played Falco / DK in teams (obviously).
In theory, I wouldn't think it would be good, since both Falco and DK need a character to support them, and neither provide very good support for each other.
Falco isn't the best teams character, but he can do well with certain setups. For instance, he can spam lasers overhead while an MK or Diddy stays grounded under the lasers, using their ground game plus the lasers to become a very substantial threat.
I wouldn't think that Falco would work well with DK though, just because DK is so big and gets combo'd a lot, but Falco can't really help save DK very well... additionally, Falco also gets combo'd and needs saving, but DK can't do that very well either.
Again, this is all speculation though, as I've never actually played Falco / DK in teams (obviously).
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Have fun attempting to dance around each other.
Scabe
Successful Businessman
Next time please post more constructively Xonar.