Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[PeridotGX]

Remember kids, this implies Jesus Christ is canon to Mario lore.

Of course he is, Wario is known to be a devout catholic

 

[Will]

Yeah, Tales of Tho was a piping hot mess. Slow, clunky combat, overpowered enemies, horrendously broken leveling system, and loads and loads of loading. It's literally half an actual game; The remake, Tales of Though, is what we could've gotten if it had just finished production in the first place. How it got rushed out in such a situation, I do not know.

they couldnt even finish the title bro it was just sad

 

[7NATOR]

Smash 3DS had a good Single Player because I think it was focused more around Single Player whereas the Wii U version was based more around Multiplayer.

That aside, I'd say Ultimate has a better Single Player than Wii U because the bosses are legitimately fun fights, Classic Mode does not have the random amount of characters thing that Wii U did(as well as the random pop-up enemies that would replace fighters you think you'll do good against), and some of the Spirit fights are pretty fun to do.
It's definitely not as replayable as Smash Bros 3DS is, but I consider it an upgrade from Smash Wii U just because Wii U's Classic mode felt way too hectic sometimes with trying to take advantage of 8-player Smash and random pop-ups that would replace fighters you choose to go against.

Oh yeah, I'd also say Ultimate has it better than Wii U. But I do wish they took a Page from 3DS Book

Like I don't expect them add Smash Run, but perhaps making a Classic Mode based of the 3DS Version in Ultimate where you can choose whether to go Easy, Medium, or Hard Route, or even just allowing Character routes to be done with any character after you finish it (EX: you can do Sephiroth's Classic Mode route with Mario after you finish it). Add a Boss Rush mode that any character can do and I think it would go a long way in Making the Single Player more enjoyable and Replayable

I'll also say that 3DS Version deserved to sell better than the Wii U Version. I think 3DS version overall was a better game.

half of the DLC fighters have been from JRPGs

so im gonna say we have one more for balance sake

I Also expect another RPG Character

Now as for the choices Personally it's between Tales of, Granblue, Draglia Lost, Xenosaga, and Maybe Falcom for me (But Also personally, I don't expect Falcom as full character anymore.)

If I'm going to go with my Theory Craft, if the Next character is not an RPG Character, and the Character is Not Monokuma, Freddy Fazbear, or Apex Legends character, Then I think our RPG Character would have originated in the 2010's

This would mean no Falcom or Xenosaga character, or Lloyd or Yuri.

so for me then, the Choices would be between Velvet, Euden from Dragalia lost, or Perhaps Gran from Granblue

Gran or Euden would explain why Monster Hunter Costumes are still missing, because I believe both their franchises have had a crossover with Monster Hunter in the Past (I Know Draglia Lost did). Velvet would probably be the coolest option in My Opinion, but I Know Gran could make use of a Class Change system, which is a Gameplay element Sakurai expressed interest in doing in the past

Gran and Euden also would make the Cygames relation even closer, and stuff like that. They also make sense being one of the last Characters, even we take into account how the Hype Cycle goes. I Know people, at least in the West (and especially Europe) will not be hype about Gran or Euden. Velvet

 

[SharkLord]

Remember kids, this implies Jesus Christ is canon to Mario lore.

On that note, Jesus Christ is also canon to Touhou.
And not just implicitly

[Random Touhou Trivia: Saints]
Difficulty: Hard

Other than Miko, there are 2 other Saints acknowledged in lore by Kasen: Gautama Buddha and Jesus Christ.

While Byakuren's religion confirms Buddha, Jesus was only reference sometimes otherwise. So yes, Jesus is canon in Touhou. pic.twitter.com/EaniYrWGz3

— ⛩️Reimu For Smash⛩️ (@ReimuForSmash) October 13, 2020

 

[PeridotGX]

No no no, Santa would be a Dedede echo. The reindeer would be Bandanna Dee echos.

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I guess Santa's pulling a Chrom, being a Dedede echo with Bandana Dee's signature Kneecap Shatter attack.

 

[Will]

so for me then, the Choices would be between Velvet, Euden from Dragalia lost, or Perhaps Gran from Granblue

idk bro im going with dart

no real reason im just going with dart

 

[Nightguything]

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I have recently figured out how to mod Smash to add entirely new songs instead of replacing old ones.

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And the power has absolutely gone to my head.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but, how does one go about doing this?

 

[7NATOR]

idk bro im going with dart

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no real reason im just going with dart

Smash already got Snake, Cloud, and Sephiroth when PSASBR couldn't. Putting in Dart would just be rubbing it in at this point (not that I have a Problem with that, though I'm unfamiliar with Dart himself though)

 

[Ben Holt]

We already got Sephiroth, unfortunately.

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Sephiroth basically killed a good bunch of RPG candidates since he's Square actually, which is funny. I mean we still got people like KOS-MOS still roaming around, and she'd definitely be the Monolith pick since Rex ain't getting nowhere.

We got Joker and Hero back to back. Both RPGs. And we got Byleth later, also an RPG.

 

[Ivander]

idk bro im going with dart

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no real reason im just going with dart

Twas a sad day when Dart was going to be in PSASBR, but then he wasn't able to get in.

 

[Wunderwaft]

We got Joker and Hero back to back. Both RPGs. And we got Byleth later, also an RPG.

Will is talking about Square Enix RPGs, and he's not wrong about that since Sephiroth is from Square Enix and his inclusion kinda kills off the chances of other Square Enix characters.

 

[ZelDan]

Sorry guys, but I don't really see how Santa has any chance of joining Smash when the Mana series has already been disconfirmed from the Trials of Mana spirit Event

 

[Ben Holt]

Will is talking about Square Enix RPGs, and he's not wrong about that since Sephiroth is from Square Enix and his inclusion kinda kills off the chances of other Square Enix characters.

I'm a nerd that likes cereal box mascots. I wanted Chokobo and Slime.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Of course he is, Wario is known to be a devout catholic

I thought Wario believed Jesus and Satan were not real.

 

[Will]

We got Joker and Hero back to back. Both RPGs. And we got Byleth later, also an RPG.

ben, read my post again but very slowly because you missed the point.

Will is talking about Square Enix RPGs, and he's not wrong about that since Sephiroth is from Square Enix and his inclusion kinda kills off the chances of other Square Enix characters.

good to see someone can read

Smash already got Snake, Cloud, and Sephiroth when PSASBR couldn't. Putting in Dart would just be rubbing it in at this point (not that I have a Problem with that, though I'm unfamiliar with Dart himself though)

yeah.... still going with dart

 

[Wunderwaft]

Of course he is, Wario is known to be a devout catholic

I thought Wario believed Jesus and Satan were not real.

It's complicated

 

[7NATOR]

Weird question

But if we got another Fighting Game Character, would Ryu, if he was a Mii Costume, fit with the theme, because he's in Dead or Alive?

 

[Will]

Weird question

But if we got another Fighting Game Character, would Ryu, if he was a Mii Costume, fit with the theme, because he's in Dead or Alive?

no because the next fighting game character is scorpion

 

[Hinata]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but, how does one go about doing this?

I've been using a program that currently isn't public.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Master Core is the best boss in the Smash series, no question about it. What an incredible fight, especially on the Wii U version at the highest intensities, Master Fortress and all.

I think the fortress is stupid, but aside from that, he is the best final boss in the series.

Of course he'd be even better if he wasn't a Smash OC and, instead of the Master Core, it was the core of the Devil's Machine.

 

[Polan]

It's complicated

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what is going on over in germany

 

[DarthEnderX]

But if we got another Fighting Game Character, would Ryu, if he was a Mii Costume, fit with the theme, because he's in Dead or Alive?

sigh I don't like admitting this, but Hayabusa could easily work as a Mii Swordfighter.

In fact, a lot of my most wanteds could work as Miis. Rizer & Bean as Gunners, Kunio & Riki as Brawlers, etc.

 

[7NATOR]

no because the next fighting game character is scorpion

I Wish. Scorpion in the Same game as Mario, Ryu, etc would be so hype. I don't know if WB Games would make the negotations easy though. It's possible though. Mortal Kombat has alot of merit in Smash

 

[RetrogamerMax]

If there’s a Tales rep I’m fairly confident it would be Lloyd, but I doubt there will be a Tales rep.

Especially now that Cacomallow is for sure false, I’m throwing any leaks involving Doom Guy straight into the garbage bin. Bethesda closed that door months ago.

Just because Microsoft bought Bethesda that doesn't mean Doom Slayer is out. The fighters in Fighter's Pass 2 were all decided and written in stone before Microsoft acquired Bethesda so Doom Slayer would still count as a Bethesda rep and not a Microsoft one since Bethesda was still on it's own when Fighter's Pass 2 was greenlited.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just because Microsoft bought Bethesda that doesn't mean Doom Slayer is out. The fighters in Fighter's Pass 2 were all decided and written in stone before Microsoft acquired Bethesda so Doom Slayer would still count as a Bethesda rep and not a Microsoft one since Bethesda was still on it's own when Fighter's Pass 2 was greenlited.

Regardless, Bethesda reps are in an equally bad spot as additional Microsoft reps.

It could still happen, but Vault Boy probably would've been saved for a Bethesda character, not a random first-party.

 

[Paraster]

I thought Wario believed Jesus and Satan were not real.

"SANTA IS NOT REAL AND JESUS DIDN'T HAPPEN!"

- Vinesauce Wario, Wario World (2018)

 

[N3ON]

Well said. I thought about saying something to that effect, but I think there are some merits to working backwards to support a conclusion. After all, that's how I write my pieces. I think about a character I want to argue for, and then I work backwards to find evidence to support their possible inclusion. I think how absolute a claim is means more than the method used in this case.

True, but that's the difference between the starting point being the character, and branching out to explain how their inclusion could become a reality, and the (alleged) starting point being some material that has no inherent relevance to the character but jamming them together because the end will justify the means.

The former is just trying to collect evidence. The latter is trying to create evidence.

Smash already got Snake, Cloud, and Sephiroth when PSASBR couldn't. Putting in Dart would just be rubbing it in at this point (not that I have a Problem with that, though I'm unfamiliar with Dart himself though)

I think Legend of Dragoon fans would be happy to just have anyone acknowledge their existence, frankly.

Just because Microsoft bought Bethesda that doesn't mean Doom Slayer is out. The fighters in Fighter's Pass 2 were all decided and written in stone before Microsoft acquired Bethesda so Doom Slayer would still count as a Bethesda rep and not a Microsoft one since Bethesda was still on it's own when Fighter's Pass 2 was greenlited.

Yeah I think it has less to do with the buyout and more to do with the strong implication from the DOOM guys that the character isn't in, as well as Bethesda content already showing up in an unrelated wave. It's not exactly a Capcom situation where the quantity necessitates a division...

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

On that note, Jesus Christ is also canon to Touhou.
And not just implicitly

[Random Touhou Trivia: Saints]
Difficulty: Hard

Other than Miko, there are 2 other Saints acknowledged in lore by Kasen: Gautama Buddha and Jesus Christ.

While Byakuren's religion confirms Buddha, Jesus was only reference sometimes otherwise. So yes, Jesus is canon in Touhou. pic.twitter.com/EaniYrWGz3

— ⛩️Reimu For Smash⛩️ (@ReimuForSmash) October 13, 2020

Jesus Christ is connected to Reimu, Mario, Xenosaga, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Trials of Mana. At this point I believe all those franchises are in the same universe.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

idk bro im going with dart

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no real reason im just going with dart

Immense, visible pain

The Legend of Dragoon is by far the PlayStation 1 game I spent the most time in. I REALLY hope it’s what Bluepoint remakes next.

 

[Commander_Alph]

sigh I don't like admitting this, but Hayabusa could easily work as a Mii Swordfighter.

Funny that you said that because he could actually be both a Brawler too which takes it's inspiration from DoA

 

[Mamboo07]

It's complicated

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I see Chucky and Jason from Friday the 13th.

 

[Lyncario]

Jesus Christ is connected to Reimu, Mario, Xenosaga, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Trials of Mana. At this point I believe all those franchises are in the same universe.

You can also add Jojo to that list.

 

[zumaddy]

"With a little old driver so lively and spry,
I knew in a moment he must be Saint Sakurai
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name:

Now, Shantae! now, Isaac! now Rayman and Pyra!
On, Crash! on, Ryu! on, Phoenix and Arle Nadja!
To the top of the stage! to the top of the wall!
Now smash away! smash away! smash away all!"

Have a safe and fun holidays Smashboards, won't be back for a while.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Jesus Christ is connected to Reimu, Mario, Xenosaga, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Trials of Mana. At this point I believe all those franchises are in the same universe.

So what you're saying is: if Sora gets in, the events of Metal Gear, Zelda, Metroid, all of the Marioverse; plus Buddhism and Christianity will all be linked to and canonical to it, the FF and Disney worlds?

Neat.

On a completely different topic, I want to propose a game: what's your top wishes... for Spirit Events and Mii Costumes?

For Spirits, I'd love me some Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina, because that has a snowball's chance in hell of getting playable content. I'd like music the most, but eh, what can you do. Also, if Ace Attorney and Puyo Puyo don't get a playable character, I'd rather get a few Spirits than nothing at all. And an Undertale event to match the Sans costume, of course.

For Costumes, Cadence and the Knight come to mind as PreMiium, but Klonoa would be neat too.

 

[Deleted member]

So what you're saying is: if Sora gets in, the events of Metal Gear, Zelda, Metroid, all of the Marioverse; plus Buddhism and Christianity will all be linked to and canonical to it, the FF and Disney worlds?

Neat.

On a completely different topic, I want to propose a game: what's your top wishes... for Spirit Events and Mii Costumes?

For Spirits, I'd love me some Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina, because that has a snowball's chance in hell of getting playable content. I'd like music the most, but eh, what can you do. Also, if Ace Attorney and Puyo Puyo don't get a playable character, I'd rather get a few Spirits than nothing at all. And an Undertale event to match the Sans costume, of course.

For Costumes, Cadence and the Knight come to mind as PreMiium, but Klonoa would be neat too.

Spirits: Bug Fables & Hades
Miis: Adol swordfighter, Phoenix brawler w/ Cornered, & KOS-MOS gunner

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

For Christmas I am now Santa Rodin.

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[Flyboy]

So what you're saying is: if Sora gets in, the events of Metal Gear, Zelda, Metroid, all of the Marioverse; plus Buddhism and Christianity will all be linked to and canonical to it, the FF and Disney worlds?

Neat.

On a completely different topic, I want to propose a game: what's your top wishes... for Spirit Events and Mii Costumes?

For Spirits, I'd love me some Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina, because that has a snowball's chance in hell of getting playable content. I'd like music the most, but eh, what can you do. Also, if Ace Attorney and Puyo Puyo don't get a playable character, I'd rather get a few Spirits than nothing at all. And an Undertale event to match the Sans costume, of course.

For Costumes, Cadence and the Knight come to mind as PreMiium, but Klonoa would be neat too.

All I want more than anything is some kind of acknowledgement of Mischief Makers. Marina Liteyears will never be playable, but a Mii costume for a brawler would be just wonderful, or even a Spirit. It'd be a childhood dream come true.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Did anyone post the pick of the day yet? I checked through the comments and saw nothing so here you go.

pic.twitter.com/k12FOTD0tT

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 25, 2020

Also to make this interesting, what is this? Is there a character standing on top of an arwing?

 

[Mamboo07]

Did anyone post the pick of the day yet? I checked through the comments and saw nothing so here you go.

pic.twitter.com/k12FOTD0tT

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) December 25, 2020

Also to make this interesting, what is this? Is there a character standing on top of an arwing?

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It's Pokemon Trainer.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

It's Pokemon Trainer.

Oh damn you're right. Didn't see him until you said it.