Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SpectreJordan]

At this point I honestly feel like, if we don't get Hayabusa, it's highly possible we don't bring any new companies into the mix at all with FP2.

I think the precedent set by the previous four characters implies that Nintendo is working with what's available and tying up loose ends more than they're worried about expanding the crossover in the same way they were back in FP1. It's pretty telling that we have three characters from series that were already in the base game, two characters from Nintendo themselves, and then Steve as the outlier who was discussed as far back as five years ago.

So I wouldn't be shocked if the final two keep up this trend in some way. Probably not in the "second chance" way that a lot of us were humoring just a couple weeks ago, but I'd say already having some footing within Smash is a major benefit to whoever is still in the race at this point (I've lost a lot of faith in Namco and Capcom so my perspective shifts dominantly toward Sega, Microsoft and another Nintendo character).

The only reason I consider Hayabusa a major exception is because of how Koei Tecmo is probably in some sort of talks with Nintendo every other day, it's be particularly easy to land that deal and they wouldn't really have to go out of their way for anything.

I definitely think it’s weird that we haven’t seen a new company enter Smash since September/November 2019 (depending on if you count the reveal or release as them joining). We’ve had 5 characters since then & no new company yet. It’s not impossible to get a new one, but I’m beginning to doubt it at this point.

I agree with the Nintendo, Sega & Microsoft pool. Sega hasn’t had a Mii costume during this pass yet, which is a bit suspicious IMO.

I wouldn’t count out Square though. I had that theory about MS & them the other day. Square still has a bunch of notable characters left like 2B, Lara Croft, Crono & Neku. They also have the Japanese advantage too... well besides Lara.

 

[Paraster]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

I don't think Quote has had any figures aside from an obscure set that wasn't actually released, so I'll make this interesting and expand it to any and all designs/models for him.

Honestly worth

 

[SharkLord]

Well, if we’re counting Capcom out of the running because of these recent Miis then the Bomberman costume would rule Konami out too. I know that’s not confirmed (& I’d like to see it disproven tbh), but there is some logic to that theory.

But I’d be down for Bill Rizer & especially Raiden. Metal Gear Rising is one of my favorite games ever, so I’d get so hype at Raiden. I think he’d feel a lot different from all of the other swordies too; that game had such a unique feel to it.

I think Contra should get a Mii costume at the very least. I think Contra & Ninja Gaiden are the last true legendary NES series not in yet, they’d be great fits. If not this game, then they definitely need to show up in the next one.

The idea about Capcom is that they had an entire wave to themselves, while Konami just had the one. Even if it was a smaller wave, it's still four Miis dumped all at once with an unrelated fighter, and two series at once. We've never had so many Miis from the same company just tossed in there just like that; The closest we've gotten was with Bethesda, and that was only two.

 

[SpectreJordan]

The idea about Capcom is that they had an entire wave to themselves, while Konami just had the one. Even if it was a smaller wave, it's still four Miis dumped all at once with an unrelated fighter, and two series at once. We've never had so many Miis from the same company just tossed in there just like that; The closest we've gotten was with Bethesda, and that was only two.

I’ve always seen that logic applied to any costume. AFAIK, that’s held up so far atleast within the same pass. But yeah, Capcom is definitely an extreme case of it.

 

[N3ON]

Don't worry Goemon, I haven't forgotten about you.

 

[PSIGuy]

Capcom honestly have so many franchises that I doubt we've seen the last of them, even if it's just more Mii Costumes.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Capcom honestly have so many franchises that I doubt we've seen the last of them, even if it's just more Mii Costumes.

I hope so. Resident Evil atleast deserves some Mii costumes. Jill & Leon would work really well.

Here’s hoping for

Dante crashes the party!

as the last reveal though. He’s showing up fashionably late, to the point where his Mii costume wave was released months beforehand lmao

 

[Shroob]

Capcom honestly have so many franchises that I doubt we've seen the last of them, even if it's just more Mii Costumes.

Think the question then becomes, why did we only get 4 costumes this wave? The only other time that we've gotten 4 costumes was with Hero, which was a dedicated SE wave.

 

[SpectreJordan]

It was very odd that we didn’t get any Xenoblade or Nintendo costumes in that wave. Maybe they’re winding down production on Mii costumes?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Think the question then becomes, why did we only get 4 costumes this wave? The only other time that we've gotten 4 costumes was with Hero, which was a dedicated SE wave.

Could the modeling budget for that pack have been taken up by Rex, Pyra, and Mythra? Hero would've also had that problem since there's 4 of themm

 

[Shroob]

Could the modeling budget for that pack have been taken up by Rex, Pyra, and Mythra? Hero would've also had that problem since there's 4 of themm

I have no idea, but I'd assume that the people who work on the characters would be different than Mii costumes, or at the very least, Mii costumes are last on the priority ladder.

 

[RoboFist]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

No...

...no...

Spoiler

 

[Cosmic77]

Could the modeling budget for that pack have been taken up by Rex, Pyra, and Mythra? Hero would've also had that problem since there's 4 of themm

Maybe, but two of the costumes were reused. Not sure why they'd be so hard pressed for time that they couldn't make three new costumes, especially since they were still able to make four new costumes with Steve.

 

[N3ON]

It was very odd that we didn’t get any Xenoblade or Nintendo costumes in that wave. Maybe they’re winding down production on Mii costumes?

Didn't get any with the Byleth wave either. I wouldn't read too much into it.

The distribution of the Miis has likely been planned for a long time.

Could the modeling budget for that pack have been taken up by Rex, Pyra, and Mythra? Hero would've also had that problem since there's 4 of themm

I don't think the budgeting is broken up that way. The Miis and characters are likely budgeted separately.

 

[Shroob]

I mean if you wanna be super technical, it is 6 costumes.

The male and female armors have separate models.



But it's still kinda strange tbh.

 

[RGFS]

Think the question then becomes, why did we only get 4 costumes this wave? The only other time that we've gotten 4 costumes was with Hero, which was a dedicated SE wave.

I think a big thing to consider with Capcom this wave is how we technically got 6 Mii costumes from them because of how the Monster Hunter armors are different for each gender.
Rathalos M
Rathalos F
Hunter M
Hunter F
Palico Hat
Arthur

[Edit: oops, should've refreshed sooner.]

 

[RGFS]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

Spoiler

I see this as a win-win.
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Deal, I'm desperate enough to be happy with any sort of representation.

Spoiler

this is official btw...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

Spoiler

I see this as a win-win.
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Deal. Figure or not, even Brian at his ugliest is surprisingly still pretty workable. It helps that his official materials depicted him as a 3D render before the much nicer 2D designs came out. He looks way better in the game despite lower polygons and way less "shininess".

 

[SpectreJordan]

Deal, I'm desperate enough to be happy with any sort of representation.

Spoiler

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this is official btw...

Man.... they’ll do that but no 6 inch action figures? I guess there’s a reason I thought they didn’t do any merch lmao

 

[MooMew64]

As someone who was pushing the narrative a Capcom rep was inevitable for like, over a year now...

Yeah, I’m doubtful after that last Mii wave. The fact that it was deliberately Capcom themed and even got specific mention from Sakurai himself that it was intentionally done to highlight Capcom content for MH Rise is really starting to make a Capcom character look sketchy to me, personally. It’d be really weird if one of the next two, who’s reveals probably aren’t that far away, are Capcom character. Timing just seems off.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Personally I've had a gut feeling Capcom wouldn't get a character for a long time now.

The only character I thought had a chance of happening was Monster Hunter due to the sheer size of the series.

Now that Monster Hunter is out of the picture, I am very confident Capcom is done for now.

 

[cashregister9]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

Spoiler

I see this as a win-win.
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Those eyes have seen some ****. It's a weird figure but I'd accept this. an Estelle is an Estelle

 

[Pillow]

The reason I like Smash so much is that it always treats its characters and their original games with so much reverence. So no, I wouldn't ever want Smash to have a case of "bad boxart Megaman" and I wouldn't take ugly Phoenix Wright as a substitute for the real one. Though I doubt I'll ever have to worry about that.

 

[RGFS]

Man.... they’ll do that but no 6 inch action figures? I guess there’s a reason I thought they didn’t do any merch lmao

Yeah. We got weird lego Franklin dressed as Sans but we got no faithful figures. It's weird there's was only a limited edition Claude figure that was released in 2011 and seems to be really pricey now.

It's been a decade since anything like this. Rockstar makes great games but just makes no sense sometimes.

 

[RGFS]

Personally I've had a gut feeling Capcom wouldn't get a character for a long time now.

The only character I thought had a chance of happening was Monster Hunter due to the sheer size of the series.

Now that Monster Hunter is out of the picture, I am very confident Capcom is done for now.

I was sooooo confident in seeing Resident Evil as a fighter in the first or second pass tbh.

The same feeling was manifesting for Monster Hunter.

For the sake of Capcom fans everywhere, I'm just gonna assume Capcom isn't likely for this pass. You're welcome if Pheonix or Dante do get in.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Chun-Li still has that chance mainly because of the fact we still don't have any Street Fighter Mii costumes despite having costumes from Tekken and Virtua Fighter who make up the Fighting Game Trio(or at least that's how Project X Zone portrays them).

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

Spoiler

I see this as a win-win.
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I win! No chinese knock off for Sgt. Cortez! They'll have to use his actual design!

Time to Split

 

[Louie G.]

Y’all know I have been a strong advocate for Capcom in general and have expressed my confidence in Monster Hunter and Chun-Li many times over. Morrigan and Chun-Li are two of my MW characters as well.

But my heart sunk when those costumes dropped and I knew that was it. I would love to be proven wrong but I think it’s much safer to accept the precedent that has been set and the logic that I have been abiding by since the beginning and accepting that Capcom is unlikely to see anything else.

Which SUCKS, because Capcom‘s arsenal is just so wide. There’s a reason I just endorsed “Capcom” as a company, something that I wouldn’t really do for any other company. I was just confident that whoever they picked could have made me happy. Ah well. Bums me out but I’ve accepted it.

Namco and Konami have been shut down in a less direct way IMO. I don’t think the trickle of mii costumes bodes well for them just as I’ve always said. Capcom just gave us a big load all in one fell swoop instead.

I’ve also seen a few people suggest I shouldn’t count out Square Enix, and yeah I suppose not. I feel like there’s a bit of overlap when it comes to certain series and the abundance of one genre within Square’s catalogue, but Neku’s aesthetics are strong enough to carry himself and Lara is a different beast. I’m more positive about the chances of Sega or Microsoft but SE isn’t necessarily done for.

 

[N3ON]

It's an interesting junction we're at because it seems like whether due to incriminating costumes or earlier additions, none of the existing third-parties on the roster appear likely to receive another character.

Will that be the case? Probably not. Smash always has tricks up its sleeves. But it's a believable outcome. And it'd be nice to get a new company or two on board as well.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I do hope if Falcom gets a character then they go all out in the music department, especially since they own the music entirely and negotiations for them should be easier. Trails and Ys have a lot of big bangers and it would be a shame to limit the song list to just 10. Trails in the Sky the 3rd in particular probably has my favorite tracks from all of Falcom.

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[Guynamednelson]

I win! No chinese knock off for Sgt. Cortez! They'll have to use his actual design!

Time to Split


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Joke's on you, with no crappy bootleg figure to model Cortez off of, he won't have a model at all!

 

[ProfPeanut]

It's an interesting junction we're at because it seems like whether due to incriminating costumes or earlier additions, none of the existing third-parties on the roster appear likely to receive another character.

Will that be the case? Probably not. Smash always has tricks up its sleeves. But it's a believable outcome. And it'd be nice to get a new company or two on board as well.

I'd argue Sonic has the most decent shot with Eggman, but that's still a long shot.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Joke's on you, with no crappy bootleg figure to model Cortez off of, he won't have a model at all!

Alright alright. I didn't want to crap on anyone's custom models but this is the least detailed version of a Sgt. Cortez model I've found.

Link to figure: https://www.figurerealm.com/customfigure?action=view&id=73378

I still win.

 

[Jocario Zero]

Deal or no deal:

You get one of your most wanteds in Smash but they are modeled after the worst figure of that character, including Chinese knock-offs.

Spoiler

I see this as a win-win.
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Spoiler: Jokes on you! Fiora, Elma and Officer Howard don't even have figures!

But i want some soooo bad!

 

[PSIGuy]

oh yeah as long as we're talking figures, not STRICTLY related but
GoodSmile Company is running Nendoroid Select 2021, an event where you can tell them what characters and franchises you want to get figures. I figure there's plenty of diehards here who have characters they would love figures for, Smash related or not

 

[Ben Holt]

oh yeah as long as we're talking figures, not STRICTLY related but
GoodSmile Company is running Nendoroid Select 2021, an event where you can tell them what characters and franchises you want to get figures. I figure there's plenty of diehards here who have characters they would love figures for, Smash related or not

I hate how the Kirby Nendoroid doesn't have flat feet. You literally need a stand for him.
Meta Knight has flat ****ing feet!

 

[3BitSaurus]

Yeah, it probably would be either those two, or Forest Village assuming they want to continue the "first world" trend.

Yeah... though I kinda hope not, I actually dislike the "first world" trend when there are more interesting options.

Namco and Konami have been shut down in a less direct way IMO. I don’t think the trickle of mii costumes bodes well for them just as I’ve always said. Capcom just gave us a big load all in one fell swoop instead.

For Namco, I think it's either Tales or Souls. Maybe Digimon. And with the former still needing to get a Mii Costume... I dunno.

I can't really see SC being added right now when Tekken got Mii'd again. Both are 3D fighters by the same company, but one is clearly more popular, and if Sakurai's problem with translating Tekken was mechanics, it's hard to see him breaking that same barrier for SC.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Rie Sonomura PapaGenos shouted you out! Woo!
He shouted me out during Sephiroth, so join the club! Whoop whoop!

WHAT

Give me the time stamp NOW

 

[PSIGuy]

I hate how the Kirby Nendoroid doesn't have flat feet. You literally need a stand for him.
Meta Knight has flat ****ing feet!

That's because Meta Knight is a borb, while Kirby is perfectly round in all aspects.

...which reminds me that I still need to sell my Kirby nendoroid to make room.

 

[Jocario Zero]

WHAT

Give me the time stamp NOW

At about 7:20 into his recent video.