Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Technomage]

hey uh

i was thinking about something

the ballot, it said for future smash games right? plural?

If you mean the one from Smash 4's era, then that's probably true; after all, in Ultimate we got Ridley and K. Rool (two highly-requested characters I suspect were high on the Ballot).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

hey uh

i was thinking about something

the ballot, it said for future smash games right? plural?

Yes, yes it did.

That was kind of the point. It gives them stuff to consider for later games in general~ Obviously it can't cover all newcomers(I.E. Joker), but it definitely helps.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If you mean the one from Smash 4's era, then that's probably true; after all, in Ultimate we got Ridley and K. Rool (two highly-requested characters I suspect were high on the Ballot).

i meant like

those same ballot picks could be kept into consideration for smash 6 onward, as well as ppl who scored decently that didn't make it this time around

 

[DarthEnderX]

Genuine question, what would you do for Falco and Wolf when it comes to making them completely unique?

Give Falco the Sniper Rifle, and Wolf the Machine Gun from Assault.

 

[Otoad64]

That'll be $60.

that is a joke, right?

Yeah, after some thinking, I'm starting to think we should cut Fox.

I mean Yoshi, DK, Fox and maybe Samus because Yoshi's more recognizable are the only ones you can even consider cutting imo

That's tricky to do. I made a reboot roster with an extremely high number of newcomers awhile back, and people were really upset with it. I do think that's the best route for a reboot, because you need some sort of hook. Casuals won't be pumped to play a game with fewer characters, but now DK throws barrels..

Of course, that's a factor I didn't really bother to implement into my conservative take but it's also one that's difficult to call. Who knows when the next Smash will come out, which other characters will be relevant (or irrelevant) by then, which new IPs will be established...

Whatever the circumstances though, I think there are a few newcomers who make sense regardless of the context. Tom Nook and Octoling seem like no brainers to expand on significant modern Nintendo series with bright futures, and I'd say we could start expanding on returning third parties with characters like Chun-Li and Tails too (who will obviously continue to be significant well into the future).

so, here's my 40 character roster with 5 of the characters replaced with newcomers

Rillaboom is a stand in for a new Pokemon, and while I would prefer Toad, Waluigi is a much needed crowdpleaser

 

[skylanders fan]

If I had to think cuts I would think these 4 are the most likely 1st party non clone characters to get the boot

 

[DarthEnderX]

Smash Run would still suck unless it actually played like the Kirby Air Ride wannabe it was meant to be tbh.

They should make Smash Run into a Battle Royal and drop 64 players into it at once!

 

[Shroob]

So do the Sophia and Arthur spirit actually make use of the "Gift" tab?


Everything that I've seen just has them pop up when you boot up the game.

 

[Louie G.]

so, here's my 40 character roster with 5 of the characters replaced with newcomers

I respect the attempt, but isn't cutting Min Min for another Switch IP kind of counterintuitive? I feel like Nintendo definitely has some plans for ARMS in the future - they definitely also do for Astral Chain (which they cared enough to buy out) and Ring Fit (which has sold amazingly), but yeah.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So do the Sophia and Arthur spirit actually make use of the "Gift" tab?

Everything that I've seen just has them pop up when you boot up the game.

When I booted up the game, I got a "News" screen that popped up for Arthur's spirit with a "Claim Gift" button.
Maybe if I didn't click it immediately, it might have gone to the Gift tab so I could claim it later.

 

[skylanders fan]

that is a joke, right?

I mean Yoshi, DK, Fox and maybe Samus because Yoshi's more recognizable are the only ones you can even consider cutting imo



so, here's my 40 character roster with 5 of the characters replaced with newcomers
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Rillaboom is a stand in for a new Pokemon, and while I would prefer Toad, Waluigi is a much needed crowdpleaser

To be honest I don’t think we see meta knight get replaced with BWD and jigglypuff would go before greninja in my opinion.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I respect the attempt, but isn't cutting Min Min for another Switch IP kind of counterintuitive? I feel like Nintendo definitely has some plans for ARMS in the future - they definitely also do for Astral Chain (which they cared enough to buy out) and Ring Fit (which has sold amazingly), but yeah.

What if they replace her with Spring Man tho for Smash 6?

 

[Louie G.]

What if they replace her with Spring Man tho for Smash 6?

Why would they do that? If ARMS gets a sequel and it's successful enough / Spring Man plays a prominent enough role to cement himself as the "main character" then they can just add him in addition to Min Min. I don't see Min Min's popularity dipping anytime soon, either.

 

[Otoad64]

I respect the attempt, but isn't cutting Min Min for another Switch IP kind of counterintuitive? I feel like Nintendo definitely has some plans for ARMS in the future - they definitely also do for Astral Chain (which they cared enough to buy out) and Ring Fit (which has sold amazingly), but yeah.

the way I see it, is they have the same merits as Min Min, but they're also not in Smash, so they get in so we can have newcomers

 

[SpecterFlower]

here's my own veteran roster of smash 6.

 

[RileyXY1]

Why would they do that? If ARMS gets a sequel and it's successful enough / Spring Man plays a prominent enough role to cement himself as the "main character" then they can just add him in addition to Min Min. I don't see Min Min's popularity dipping anytime soon, either.

Yeah. She's the Morrigan of the series.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

that is a joke, right?

I mean Yoshi, DK, Fox and maybe Samus because Yoshi's more recognizable are the only ones you can even consider cutting imo



so, here's my 40 character roster with 5 of the characters replaced with newcomers
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Rillaboom is a stand in for a new Pokemon, and while I would prefer Toad, Waluigi is a much needed crowdpleaser

Ignoring the lack of the all important Villager, Waluigi is not a Wario character in any shape or form. He'd be after Bowser if you're specifically putting characters in their franchises.

Interesting roster, otherwise. Though I'd remove Jigglypuff unless you're doing a hard OG12 rule. Mewtwo, Lucario, Greninja, or Incineroar are more logical choices. I can't see Sheik ever getting cut either, but at least she's not a transformation rule, so fair enough.

...Huh, I didn't realize Roster Maker doesn't even use Olimar more proper name, but Pikmin & Olimar is a bit difficult to fit in, so that's somewhat justified. It should say P. & Olimar instead? I'll have to work on the icon, I guess, so it's actually accurate name-wise.

I don't see Mii Fighters or especially Meta Knight being removed. More than likely Meta Knight would be there instead of Dee, if they're having 3 characters for Kirby. It's not bad overall, though.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

that is a joke, right?

No. Super serious! This is the direction Nintendo will take Smash Bros! We're all doomed!

 

[Technomage]

No. Super serious! This is the direction Nintendo will take Smash Bros! We're all doomed!

*No. Super cereal!

Fixed dat for ya.

 

[Otoad64]

here's my own veteran roster of smash 6.

honestly, while I would prioritize the Climbers to Duck Hunt, I have no real objections

Ignoring the lack of the all important Villager, Waluigi is not a Wario character in any shape or form. He'd be after Bowser if you're specifically putting characters in their franchises.

Interesting roster, otherwise. Though I'd remove Jigglypuff unless you're doing a hard OG12 rule. Mewtwo, Lucario, Greninja, or Incineroar are more logical choices. I can't see Sheik ever getting cut either, but at least she's not a transformation rule, so fair enough.

...Huh, I didn't realize Roster Maker doesn't even use Olimar more proper name, but Pikmin & Olimar is a bit difficult to fit in, so that's somewhat justified. It should say P. & Olimar instead? I'll have to work on the icon, I guess, so it's actually accurate name-wise.

I don't see Mii Fighters or especially Meta Knight being removed. More than likely Meta Knight would be there instead of Dee, if they're having 3 characters for Kirby. It's not bad overall, though.

I know Waluigi isn't a Wario character, put it just looks weird to have him not next to Wario

I was doing a hard og 12 rule

it does have Pikmin & Olimar, they just also have Olimar by himself

and while Meta Knight probably would be in over Dee, I feel like it isn't ludicrous to prioritze Dee over him

 

[Louie G.]

here's my own veteran roster of smash 6.

I'd be especially upset to see Little Mac cut, but this roster has pretty colors so I still like it.

For real though, Mac is in a pretty weird place huh? He's not a retro character, but he's not a "modern" character either. He hasn't been around long enough to cement himself as a smaller mainstay like Ness, Falcon or Pit so his future remains uncertain. Smash hasn't treated Punch-Out the best, it's not particularly noteworthy in Japan, so his cut wouldn't be the most surprising thing in the world.

But Punch-Out is also a series with three console games under its belt and two arcade games, with a deep legacy. Mac was one of the most anticipated newcomers for Smash 4 and remains a popular pick for many players regardless of his polarizing playstyle. And he's a boxer, a notable archetype that would otherwise be missing from the roster.

I could see either case for it, but it would crush me to see him gone.

 

[SKX31]

here's your reboot roster

we must distill super smash bros. to its namesake: a game whose name is a play on "super mario bros.". there's too many not-mario bros. on its roster.

The only NPC in that game? , who YEETs people off stage instead of actually giving them medical attention.

To be honest I don’t think we see meta knight get replaced with BWD

Oka-

and jigglypuff would go before greninja in my opinion.

My counterargument is just going to be this:

No. Super serious! This is the direction Nintendo will take Smash Bros! We're all doomed!

Where's "TIME TO SPLIT!" when you need him?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

See, this is why it’s not a wise idea to start cutting again right away. All these characters have significance for at least one person. Like they get attached, y’know. Not to mention YL and Pichu are back after TWO games. I’m sure several were happy about that.

 

[skylanders fan]

Here would be my list of veterans 56 veterans (not counting echos) with a option for 8 newcomers for a roster of 64 think that’s a decent number

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

honestly, while I would prioritize the Climbers to Duck Hunt, I have no real objections

I know Waluigi isn't a Wario character, put it just looks weird to have him not next to Wario

I was doing a hard og 12 rule

it does have Pikmin & Olimar, they just also have Olimar by himself
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and while Meta Knight probably would be in over Dee, I feel like it isn't ludicrous to prioritze Dee over him

Ah. I have an older style. But at least they have the correct one. I do feel Dee had no chance over Meta Knight. He's nowhere near as important. He's the 4th character, and very important, but not in the same position. Ironic too, since MK is often a character who is distant/less playable, but Smash isn't just about "who is playable". XD

Anyway, Waluigi should be before Wario, but that's assuming Yoshi is being treated as his own series or just mixed up like in Smash 4. Waluigi shouldn't be in a position where he looks like a Wario character.

Smash 4 at least did it enough by debut where it works, so Waluigi going right after Yoshi still works. Wario is his own series entirely(and not very tied to Super Mario), so...

Man, sometimes I hate the fact we can't rearrange the roster beyond echo stacking...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Made a list with 51 veterans. The exact amount of characters there were in base game 4 total



I made sure at least one rep from every first party to ever get a smash character is here. The extra ones got in by a case by case basis.

As for the third parties, I went for what I'd consider the essentials. Some of the first characters/franchises people think of when they think video games

 

[Otoad64]

See, this is why it’s not a wise idea to start cutting again right away. All these characters have significance for at least one person. Like they get attached, y’know. Not to mention YL and Pichu are back after TWO games. I’m sure several were happy about that.

well then we can keep YL and Pichu then!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

well then we can keep YL and Pichu then!
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That’s NOT WHAT I MEANT-

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

well then we can keep YL and Pichu then!
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You couldn't even jokingly throw the better Olimar name in? D:

But seriously, every character has their fans. Young Link and Pichu are honestly awesome and I was very happy with the return.

...I'd love to keep all.

 

[MBRedboy31]

In terms of move customization, what if we had something that’s smaller in scale but larger in significance (so, fewer options per character, but each option is very distinct?)

For example, in post patch Street Fighter V, each character has only two moves that are customizable, and each of these two moves has only two variations. However, each of the two variations are completely unique moves.

(The biggest thing, though, is that any regular character customization needs to be easily done from the character select screen and also needs to be standard for all modes, which is important for both casual and competitive play.)

 

[Dinoman96]

Man it'd be soul crushing for Steve to come back with no Banjo in sight

 

[Otoad64]

Man it'd be soul crushing for Steve to come back with no Banjo in sight

yeah I don't know why but Steve and Banjo seem like a package deal

You couldn't even jokingly throw the better Olimar name in? D:

personally I just prefer the look of the solo Olimar icon

 

[PeridotGX]

My counterargument is just going to be this:

Are you sure it's a wise idea to reward Hbox, when he has done such horrible acts?

Hbox told me he smokes to "cool off." I told him that he can "cool off" by not smoking. He said "buddy, it sounds like you need a smoke." He laughed and laughed. He took me to a lake. He said, "I'm going to give you to the count of ten, and then I’m gonna start shooting."

— Deep Leffen Bot (@DeepLeffen) July 14, 2020

Hbox appeared at my door last night carrying a human skull. He said, "this is your neighbor's skull. He would have wanted you to have this." I was confused. I said, “but Hbox, my neighbor is still alive." Hbox let out a deep sigh and said, “he told me you'd say that."

— Deep Leffen Bot (@DeepLeffen) July 15, 2020

 

[Pillow]

See, this is why it’s not a wise idea to start cutting again right away. All these characters have significance for at least one person. Like they get attached, y’know. Not to mention YL and Pichu are back after TWO games. I’m sure several were happy about that.

It really helps that the 2 feel really great to play, despite no significant changes to their movesets. They move fast and animate well and just feel all around smooth.

That said, I would be okay to see characters like Pichu go in a future game if cuts were needed, despite him being one of my mains and overall favorite to play character in Ultimate. It's just a natural cut relative to a lot of the rest of the cast.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

yeah I don't know why but Steve and Banjo seem like a package deal

personally I just prefer the look of the solo Olimar icon
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Okay, yeah, the icon itself is kind of bleh. I get what you mean. It doesn't flow that well. Hmm. Maybe another one can be made that fits the other large heads, but also properly shows the Pikmin?

...I should actually finish up a joke roster I made(I did a ton of icons myself).

 

[Mushroomguy12]

here's your reboot roster

we must distill super smash bros. to its essence: a game whose name is a play on "super mario bros.". there's too many not-mario bros. on its roster.

I remember when I was a kid, I always thought it was so weird that Luigi had to be unlocked in the first three Smash games, especially when he got second billing in pretty much all of the Mario spin offs.

 

[Louie G.]

Man it'd be soul crushing for Steve to come back with no Banjo in sight

I was gonna mention that too - Banjo and Steve strikes me as similar to a Mega Man and Ryu deal.

You have the fan-favorite character who everyone was begging for, and then the bigger / active and more directly profitable series for the company in question. Microsoft was extremely willing to bring Banjo to Smash and hell, I think the fact that he technically came before Steve is a testament to that. I can't imagine Banjo would be that expensive of a character to land, and he's simple and easy to implement.

Relevant? Maybe not in the most objective sense, but Banjo will always be relevant to Nintendo history and to Smash. If he ever leaves people will just beg for him to return all over again. Smash isn't all about what's new and hot anyway.

 

[SpecterFlower]

besides, all of these reboot rosters are inaccurate because there's no way they aren't going to add any newcomers.

I specified veteran

 

[PeridotGX]

See, this is why it’s not a wise idea to start cutting again right away. All these characters have significance for at least one person. Like they get attached, y’know. Not to mention YL and Pichu are back after TWO games. I’m sure several were happy about that.

I like playing as Hero and Steve a lot, and I'd be sad if they were to be cut, but I'd be OK. There will be new coil characters to play, and they'll always be in Ultimate. It'll also make it even more hype when they eventually return in a few games.

 

[Otoad64]

seeing as I'm really bored, now the reboot has 50 characters.